How can I move down 0.5 NTRP

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  1. J_R_B

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    It doesn't work only if your only goal is to win sectionals or nationals. There's plenty of fun at the local league level where you just chalk up the matches against the ringers as a good experience against good players and have fun playing the matches.
     
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  2. schmke

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    I thought the same way too originally, but since year-end ratings factor in benchmark calculations (I believe 50% of your year-end rating comes from your Dynamic NTRP and 50% from benchmark calculations), I'm not sure how this string of matches would be preserved correctly.

    Also, I believe there are cases where self-rated players play just 2 matches a year for a few years and never get a C rating which would seem to indicate thing don't carry over. But you did say you thought they might carry over for C rated so that is a different scenario.
     
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  3. Nostradamus

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    Easy, just appeal. USTA lately have been very nice to guys in 4.5 that wants to move down to 4.0 so they can play both leagues and play like 4 matches in one weekend. Those Pigs:???:
     
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  4. eastbayliz

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    gaming the system..seriously?!

    Wow. Seriously? Tanking and attempting to game ratings is an exercise in futility. It not only speaks to your character but you are also ruining the fun for everyone hoping for competitive and enjoyable match play. I love competition and love to be challenged. I play tournaments because they are simple and seem to be more free of this sort of nonsense. If you want to win how about you practice more and try to learn from your matches. Hell-take a private lesson or two. Or take up say miniature golf.
     
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  5. spaceman_spiff

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    I thought that might be the case. So, I guess it should be WTFU.

    Honestly, if you're playing .5 higher than you should be, then it's not really a huge deal. Yes, you will probably lose most or all of your matches, but if you focus on your game and also learn from your opponents, you can use the experience to really improve your game.

    Or, you can tank all your matches, waste your time and your opponents' time, and get absolutely nothing out of the whole thing.
     
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  6. usta2050

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    thank you all for the great comments/thoughts. I have to say that you are a good bunch. I plan to have a 20 min warm up so my opponents will get to hit some good rallies and also some rallies after. it should be fun.
     
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  7. usta2050

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    Thank you RT, you are a genius.
     
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  8. goober

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    Pretty much this. You have a couple matches against the teams that are stacked with out of level players and then the rest of the season it is pretty fun. I almost wish USTA had 2 separate leagues. A nonadvancing recreational league and one for those chasing after sectional/nationals. But since that is not going to happen, you can enjoy league tennis with the right mindset.
     
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  9. dcdoorknob

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    When the opponent is ready to start after warming up for 5-10 minutes, are you going to explain to them that they should keep warming up for another 10 minutes because you plan to tank the match and it will be over in half an hour anyways, and so the warmup is the best tennis they are going to get out of you?
     
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  10. JLyon

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    If you do this I sure hope every team protests you or better yet play one or 2 games and retire with an injury before enough games are played to generate a match rating.
    You are pathetic
     
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  11. schmke

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    OP, if you are legitimately rated a level too high, just play your matches, and particularly if you are able to play 8 matches, and you'll get moved down.

    The system works for the majority of players, and for most of those that don't think it works, they are either a) good enough to be competitive at the level they are at but just want to clean-up at the lower level or b) have a higher opinion of their game than they can demonstrate on the court.

    I don't recommend gaming the system as it should (IMHO) result in players being banned from play or at least having suspect matches thrown out. It is hard to conclusively determine this of course, but if it is obvious enough and there are complaints, it could happen.
     
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  12. usta2050

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    Thanks, I guess it's too much work to game the system. I'll just play the game. Thank you all for the ideas and comments.
     
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  13. spinorama

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    Usta just allowed me to move down to 4.0 from 4.5 and now I can be in 4.0 league :D
     
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  14. asimple

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    They weren't very generous when I tried the appeal a year ago, but I actually became a 4.0C at the end of the year anyway. With this and the 40+ leagues, I might actually end up playing 4 matches in a weekend.
     
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  15. usta2050

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    thanks, did you have to cut a toe or finger off to move down? I heard dr's notes don't work, neither does a torn meniscus and etc.
     
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    hi guys got a side question, from a forum thread that's for people to look for tennis players to play with. a guy wants to play tennis with me, I asked him what's his NTRP he said he doesn't know, maybe 3 or 4. in 1st email he didn't say how long he have been playing tennis so I asked again in 2nd email, he said only 1 years. Is it possible to get to NTRP 3,4 in one year? pretty rare right unless he is also some pro in other sports and can learn that quickly. But so far he didn't say what other sports he play. So I am wondering it could be a total waste of my time, or maybe danger for me coz you never know if their main purpose is to play tennis. thanks guys
     
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  17. dizzlmcwizzl

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    He obviously does not know what you mean .... a person who knew their rating would not say 3 or 4. Also getting to a 3.0 in one year is easy ... getting to a 4.0 in one year is impressive.

    You wont know until you play him, but I suspect the guy is a novice.
     
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  18. Govnor

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    the guy is a novice!
     
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  19. Cindysphinx

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    The guy is a serial killer.

    Cancel. Do not wind up in his freezer.
     
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  20. okaythen

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    lol guys thanks
     
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  21. IA-SteveB

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    Like others have said, the guy hasn't a clue. You don't guess a full point difference. When I was new to rankings I didn't realize how big of a jump it was for even a .5 ranking. I am a 3.5 after a year of playing and am FAR from a 4.
     
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  22. roman40

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    Even if you wanted to tank all your singles matches, what team captain in his right mind would allow you to do this? How would you even get to play singles if you're the weak player on the team?

    Once you're bumped, most likely you're stuck at that level, short of re-registering with a different name or waiting it out for several years. It would really be nice if USTA allowed x-0.5/x+0.5 combos in regular season for doubles, so at least you can still play with your friends or at your club, even if your club doesn't have a 4.5/5.0/etc team. It would really ease the transition to a higher level.

    I would love to play at 4.5 level, but I hate the fact that our club doesn't have enough 4.5 player for a team, or that there are few 4.5 teams in general, or that I wouldn't be able to play on USTA team with my friends anymore. So, yeah, more challenging matches is great, but when you're playing recreational tennis, there are other aspects, that are equally important for some people.
     
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  23. West Coast Ace

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    This is either a great troll thread or a pretty sad commentary.

    Maybe the USTA can work with the NSA and find out who this poster is and move him up to 5.0 and let him really experience Pain...
     
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  24. storypeddler

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    This kind of ratings manipulation and outright cheating is exactly why you see so many people on here complaining about sandbaggers. "I am planning on a 0-8 record this year..."??? So you have already determined you will simply throw match after match after match all year long? Can you even spell "integrity"???
     
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  25. storypeddler

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    It IS unusual---but these are close losses, some in third-set tiebreaks, and some of these very narrow losses are to players or teams with 4.5 ratings. It truly isn't the overall record that gets you---it's that you are barely losing to people you should be getting crushed by.
     
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  26. dflores

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    Attitude

    At any level, it's attitude, not a won loss record that makes someone a loser. I hope you achieve your goal.
     
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