how did donald young get so over-hyped in the beginning anyway?

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  1. foryou42

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    i'm just curious.....i mean if he's that bad and companies are paying him millions in sponsorship, they must be pretty dumb....actually, i have never
    seen donald young play but ppl in these threads really seem to downplay
    young's ability......is he that bad? and if so, why is he so over-hyped?
     
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  2. Fee

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    John McEnroe saw him hitting when he was 13 or 14 and talked about him on a USOpen broadcast. Bingo, instant stardom.
     
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    He is not a bad player. He is what 16/17? He won the AO Junior at 15....he's got talent, just not ready for the ATP YET.
     
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  4. 35ft6

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    He became number 1 junior in the world at aged 15? 16? That's how.
     
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    yea, the youngest number 1 junior ever (is that correct? i thought so but didn't really want to look it up) at 16 years old. THAT, is how he got "overhyped", i personally think, right now he's not big enough to compete on tour and should continue play junior ITF events.
     
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    companies are paying him millions already ?!!!

    and he's 17 and a half , shouldn't wait much longer ..
     
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    he's getting there
     
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    He's young, black, and gifted. USTA is desperate to show how "multicultural" tennis really is so they zoom in on any black talent they can find. They are clearly hoping Young turns out to be another Tiger Woods.

    Meanwhile, better talent that's not so young and black is completely ignored, like Sam Querrey. Which may have been a blessing in disguise because while Young had stumbled under the pressure and glare Querrey has quietly been posting some impressive results.
     
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    I think this is spot-on the money, but a lot of people don't want to say it in public.

    I don't know DY, but I'm wondering if his results wouldn't be better if he didn't have his parents, Nike and the USTA exploiting him.
     
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    I think he would be Phil. The very first time I ever laid eyes on him and saw the diamond rocks on BOTH of his earlobes, I had a very bad feeling that he was going to run into trouble. Thankfully, he is on the circuit where he belongs now, and he can develop his game like a normal player. Hopefully IMG won't be strong arming tournaments to give him wildcards this year, he needs to be out of the spotlight for a while.
     
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    I agree completely. We've overlooked star talents trying to prove how multicultural we are. Sam Querrey is a fantastic young player. McEnroe's assumption that DY would be thee best sure got him attention, but nothing to back it up. Nike pours money on him, and IMG feeds him with neverending Wildcards. its horrible.
     
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    blame johnny mac, him talking about the kid, built up the legend. i saw donald young practicing at the us open a few years back. if he grows a few more inches and gets his head together he could be decent.
     
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  14. RacquetDoctor

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    Scoville Jenkins has more talent that D Young. None of the hype. He's a couple of years older. DY is a waste of nike money, just like Brendan Evans was (white).
     
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    because they need young , new american hero, to replace roddick and blake, who seems to getting nowhere. urgently need someone to beat federer and becomes no 1...
     
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    He won the Mid-West Closed 18's as a 13 year old, something I believe thats never been done before. He was spotted by Johnny Mac I believe way before he was 13 and he got lots of hype from that. Not only that but he was a dominant junior winning basically everything under the sun from an early age until now. Don't forget the kid is only 17 right now, he has plenty of time. Guys like Ginepri and Fish didn't do anything on tour until they were about 20-21.
     
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  17. kooyah

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    I think the problem is further compounded by the fact that many people are very focused on discovering "the next great American hope" in the sport and they want to find that person FAST. So, they latch onto whoever they think might be that person and build the hype around the discovery.
     
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    From watching that video, both players have certain really good things, and other things, are pure amateur hour. The white guy had actually better contact and snap, but had the stiffest hamstrings and hips I have seen since watching the world over 75 championships. This is something his coach should have addressed at a young, young, age. It is still somewhat rectifiable, but would take two to three years. Painful to say the least.

    Donald Young, has NOTHING that would scare a top fifty player, NOTHING. His forehand is JUNIOR all the way, and his backhand a serviceable BUNT. His serve wouldn't scare the flies off a piece of sh_ t.

    Again, this just scares me to see guys play so badly at this level. The coaching, worldwide is still so jurassic. I coach two young black kids and if they ended up this bad, I would encourage them to take up choir.

    We still train in anonymity, but we will emerge at some point. From watching the top juniors and these guys, I don't see any urgency. It is all a hack and a chop out there. Factories and unitennis. No athleticism, no Federer's at all. No wonder that guy dominates.
     
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    So the top ten is nowhere?

    Will this be before or after the second coming of Christ? Is your name Scott Paschal by any chance?
     
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    Don't think this is a clear cut case of racism. Donald Young have super impressive credentials and promise, and if he were top 30 right now, we wouldn't be so quick to rationalizing it as "he's black." Young was way more precocious and successful as a junior than Querrey, and I think even the people rooting for Sam are somewhat surprised by how far he's come.

    It goes both ways, a black Anna K could never have happened. Being blue eyed and blond definitely helped her. If a blond, blue eyed, "all-American"
    kid became the youngest number 1 junior in the world ever at a time when "who's the next great American" reached fever pitch, he would probably be more visible than Donald Young. Most of my non tennis playing friends don't even know who Donald Young is. Actually, I'd be surprised if any of them did.
     
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    I think Murray, Gasquet disagree. They're pure shotmakers.
     
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  22. callitout

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    Does anyone really know how much money he's getting from IMG or Nike. Where's the source, when people say: "he's getting millions" from these companies is it millions or 250k...b/c if the latter its peanuts for a pro athlete and people should stop wanking about how much he's being paid.

    BTW Scoville Jenkins is about 4 years older and has no real pro potential. He's been really struggling in the minor leagues for a while. He cant make top 200.
     
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    I hope he can still make an impact on the ATP... Hes a leftie and has the same birthday as me... What more could you want?
     
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    Scoville Jenkins had wrist surgery last year. I would like to give him one more year before I give up on him.

    There was a report a few years ago that DY's nike contract was worth a few million over the life of the contract, but I don't remember ever reading very specific details about it.
     
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    Most of your non tennis playing friends probably don't know most of the players even in the top 10 so that doesn't mean much. A lot of non tennis people don't even know who is federer. Remember he was walking around the streets of Manhattan just after he won the US Open with a camera crew following him. Almost nobody could recognize him.
     
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    Gasquet does not have a serve or a forehand. It is a tribute to his phenomenal movement and backhand that he is where he is. I have never heard anyone talk about his movement, to me, it is dazzling. Spectacular. But I can hardly watch his forehand and serve. Tell him to give me a call

    And Murray? Hmmm. Compared to Federer, sorry. Nice player and probably very watchable ten years ago, but I am looking for betterer than Federer. And it won't be easy. Its going to take someone with a large imagination and the ability to create on a fourth dimensional level.
     
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    The exact contracts with NIKE/IMG are almost never made public, but it was reported to be worth millions but part of that was paying for training/coaches and some of it was incentive based.

    BTW Scoville Jenkins is only 3 years and 2 months older than DY. He has top 100-150 potential but may be one of those guys that doesn't reach it until he is around 25-26 years old.
     
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    How is Querrey completely ignored??? He's gotten WCs into a string of tournaments that he couldn't get directly into. Everytime PMac is commentating and the topic is the next gen of American tennis players he mentions Querrey, so does Roddick and Blake.

    I dont think Jenkins has much talent, I think he's just very athletic. When I saw him play Roddick at the US Open the year he won the zoo, he couldnt hit two forehands in a row, plus he couldnt volley at all.

    as far as the DY/Querrey comparison, lets not forget Querrey is 2 years older. When they played last Oct I think, it was 6 & 5 for Querrey when a lot of people here were rooting for/predicting a blowout by Querrey.

    Like I said before, it's not DYs fault that he was able to accomplish the things he did at the age he did, against older, more developed players.

    Thats being said, I didnt like the way it seems he chokes up on the racket on his groundies, and I'm not a fan of quick, low tosses on the serve. I think everyone should serve like Stich or Sampras
     
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    That's not a bad point, but they know Federer, Roddick, and Blake. Still, point taken.
     
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    He is still young, I will bet he will succeed on tour in the future.
     
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    Uh have you watched a pro match... oh in the last 5-10 years?

    I guess you don't understand modern technique. If people were not winning with it, modern technique would not have evolved in the first place.
     
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    It may work in the juniors, but I'm comparing the way those two were playing with the way the average top level ATP player plays. And there is difference in the style between the older guys and these teenagers. Besides, I wasn't talking about its effectiveness in the first place. Just an aesthetic complaint.
     
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    You do realize that Simon Greul one of the guys in the video is 26 years old and ranked #82 on the ATP. Simon Greul has wins over Srichaphan, Hrbaty and Henman. Most of the players in the videos on the website are from 65 to about 200-300s. So they are representative of what current level top ATP players play like. That was not a junior event it was a $50,000 Challenger.
     
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    You can hold you own if your serve is as good as Ivo Karlovic. As long as it is hard for Kevin Kim to break your serve, you have a chance of beating him or not get bageled.

    The next critical part is how well you return Kevin's serve along with what you do with it.

    Outside of a match take a look at this. The old dude can stay with the young one. However, he is easily overpowered from the young one's low gear. http://braingame.dartfishnet.com/d0001/LocalUser/NetSite_608/_groups/398/video/Michael Backhands.wmv
     
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    What's all this talk about flailing away at the ball? For an amateur player, yes, trying to attain that level of racket head speed would be ill-advised, but they're flailing away at the tennis ball about as much as Tiger Wood flails away on a golf swing.
     
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    This whole talk started when aramis thinks those guys are doing crazy things that he claims don't happen at the top ATP level. The swing does not look smooth in his eyes; however, some of these guys are within the top 100.

    Also, aramis made the assumption that Simon Greul is a junior player. The man is 26 years old and ranked #82 on the ATP. He also has wins over Srichaphan, Hrbaty and Henman. From what I know, you need to be under 18 years old to play a under 18 junior tournament.

    Here is the tournament Donald Young was playing in http://www.tbarmtennis.com/sb/index.php?key=challenger&cid=19&hid=19&itemid=73 .
     
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    Sorry to mistake Simon Gruel as a junior, but so what if I don't like the style of those two compared to some other players and I don't think they're as smooth as a Safin, Federer, Ferrero, Pavel, Coria, etc.? It's just an opinion and you don't have to agree with me. So touchy.
     
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    The problem is that you think that these guys are hitting different but they are not. Safin, Coria, Fed, JCF all hit with modern technique. I haven't seen Pavel so I can't comment on him. Watch this video of Coria. He hits very similar to these guys you say that are flailing at the ball. It is not a difference in opinion. That is why I asked have you actually watched any pro matches lately. If you go to any ATP tournament >90% are hitting this way.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=RYRjncNiX4M
     
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  44. tennissavy

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    All the talk of Donald Young who can't win ATP matches and we never see Vania King. She actually won a title or two recently on the WTA and all she gets is a quick mention every now and then.

    BTW, I saw young play at the US Open last year and he is not even ready to compete with lower power level wta players. He hits with no pace and is not very consistent. Jill Craybas, for example, would kick his _. She has better groundstrokes, better returns, better movement, more consistency... The only thing that she doesn't do better than him is serve. They are about even in serving skill. I'm not saying that Young would have any problem with 5.0 guys or your average club pro but he wouldn't even make a good hitting partner for the WTA players. He is not at all impressive. He is very over-hyped.
     
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  45. Morrissey

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    This guy makes a good point here. USTA is grasping straws for young talent and if the young talent happens to be black even better for them. They want to show to the average Joe Schmo that tennis is not an elitist white collar "white" sport anymore. Bring in different players of races and cultural backgrounds and you could just hear the "cha-ching" of money coming in from consumers, sponsors and outside interests. I couldn't even understand why Scoville Jenkins got all this attention during the US Open for a couple of
    years, once they realized that he has very little game they forgot about him.

    Donald Young has some results to warrant some attention but to me he looks spineless on the court, no character or fighting spirit whatsoever. He could learn some intensity and no fear like Nadal. He's lefty so he has another advantage there and looks to have some degree of talent there. So I give him another couple of years to actually develop into something substantial. I'm all for different players of ethnicity breaking into tennis. I just hate how the sponsors and broadcasters just fawn over certain players before they show any kind of promise. Donald Young is getting all this hype and praise and he can't even win 2 sets at the pro level for what over a year now? He shouldn't even have his own thread in here.

    A good example was made when it was mentioned that another young prospect in Sam Querrey is actually doing more but getting less attention for it. Him being white doesn't help believe it or not. I guarantee you that if he was black he would have million dollar sponsorship deals lining up for him and more tv coverage to boot. don't agree with me? Can you say Alexandra Stevenson? One SF result in Wimbledon many years ago and she gets a Nike deal and Head sponsorship. She has achieved nothing since. I know this talk is taboo in here but it's true. Players of color in a predominantly white sport get more press.
     
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    Uh Jill craybas would kick Donald Young arse? You have got to be kidding me. No backhand, weak serve Craybas? Jill Craybas could not beat anybody that has an ATP ranking let alone Donald Young who has beaten players in the top 150 ATP. Geez if you are going to make outrageous statements at least you could pick somebody a little more believable. Craybas? Thanks for the laugh.
     
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    I have seen Young and Craybas play matches up close, live, and I can honestly say it without hesitation. Craybas would beat him in straight sets.
     
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    Just not true. He won Aussie open junior event, that's it.
     
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    goober, aramis is not talking about players using modern technique. The guys on the video are hitting the ball too hard, and the swing speed is too fast. This is compared to the bird's-eye-view of Safin, Coria, Federer, Ferrero, and Andre Pavel hitting forehands and backhands who hit a 100mph groundstroke with what appears to be slower racquet head speed.

    If you looked at the youtube video you suggest he watch, you will see the swing speed as smooth and not some abrupt and violent type of swing.
     
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    Well maybe that is true but if you see them in person it is a totally different story. Maybe he should watch some live ATP matches?
     
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