Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by foryou42, Feb 9, 2007.
That is a good suggestion. Shell out some money for a court side seat.
Use footage that is comparable to the Dallas Challenger footage. That is another suggestion besides watching a match live.
Can you find any of Federer at ground level during an in game situation?
Here is one of Federer.
Young is not overhype, he was actually playing really well at the Dallas challenger last week, i think he is getting closer to starting to beat the tour level players and get into the top 200 rankings.
for what it's worth, Donal Young (#470) is in the main draw of Joplin Challenger starting tomorrow without a wildcard. He actually QUALIFIED into it. Though it must be said, the qualifying field out there was not that heavy.
He plays 19 year old Ryan Sweeting (# 299) in the first round.
I guess you can say here that Agassi gets a good amount of speed on his ground strokes with what appears to be minimual effort.
Michael is able to do it too. http://braingame.dartfishnet.com/d0001/LocalUser/NetSite_608/_groups/398/video/Michael Backhands.wmv
Yup, in that match he was being a total ***, playing like he had to make an appointment somwhere. And Roddick goes on to get smoked by Pim-Pim in the quarters. I loved every min. of it.
You should have seen him play Nadal in 05. He actually had a chance to take Nadal out had he made most of his volleys in that match. I may have that one on my computer somewhere. And since that clip that people have been viewing doesn't give a good view of the players, I have posted a better clip. It's the Donald vs. Nole 1st round match at the US Open.
That is quite possibly the most sensible thing you have ever posted on this board. If Donald had anywhere near Nadal's intensity and fighting spirit he would be a force to be reckoned with on the ATP. The guy could play a brilliant set where it's very close and loses it in a tie break and then it looks like he just says aww, the hell with it for the rest of the match. He even says that in one of his interviews. Now that is one crappy attitude to have esp. if you plan on being a pro tennis player. If he can ever change that attitude he can go a long way.
how can I enter one of these challengers, I know I can hit with these guys. How much are entree fees?
You can 'hit with' the guys ranked in the 100 - 300's on the tour? Really? Who have you beaten so far? Any college guys? Any of the Open players in your area? Anyone at all?
Go sign in for qualies at one of the Futures tournaments first. Let us know how it goes.
I thought this kinda thing happens all of the time. Companies sponsoring kids 'just-in-case' they come good.
Thanks for that clip.
Couple of things, in that 1st game DY was serving, he got a 1st serve in at 128 mph, so, to the guy who said he cant serve, you're wrong. Now if you want to say the radar gun isfixed, thats another story.
Also, you dont have to hit every ball at 100+ mph to be successful on tour, Andy Murray doesnt, Niemeinen doesnt, Santoro doesnt. But I'm sure he can hit with pace if he wants, as can the other guys.
To Fee, so what if he has diamond earrings, what does that matter. He's not the 1st tennis player/athlete to wear earrings.
Well unless you have a ranking you can't just enter a challenger not even the qualies. You can try gettting into a qualies a futures event. But given the quote below on how you lost 0 and 1 to a #1 seed in boys 18 USTA event, I guess hitting with these guys to you means getting double bageled? If that is the case I can hit with them too. These guys are way better than anybody playing in college.
That may have been the only first serve that he got in in that clip. So, 128 MPH isn't going to do much good if his 1rst serve pct. is below 33%.
Roddick lost that match in 5 sets. How did he get smoked? And Nadal won his match against Scoville in straight sets. Yet that one was closer than the Roddick 5 set match with Joachim? Sort out the wires there dude, they're crossed. As for that Young comment being the most sensible one I made you're not reading my other posts. Aside from my battles with Fedtrolls. :-D
That's a great vid. Do you have any more like that?
Way to miss the point. It wasn't the fact that he was wearing earrings, but the size of them on someone that age was like a billboard on him saying 'too much, too fast'. This was at the LA qualies in 2004. My guess was not far off.
This past weekend DY went through qualies to make the main draw of the Joplin Challenger. This is where he should be and I'm glad that he is finally allowed to develop his game and his career in a more normal way.
Johnny Mac did not create the hype. Young's results in the juniors created the 'hype." He won the Orange Bowl. A few guys who have done that went on to be decent pros: Federer, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Roddick...
Wow reading some of the comments on this boards I thought (relatively speaking obviously) that Young was rubbish. now I've seen that clip Young vs Nole, I'm impressed. He's a lot better than some people on this board make him out to be
Sorry, I found them.
Well considering that Pim-Pim was the 30th ranked player in that tournament and nearly won in straight sets while Roddick was the defending champion that year, that was a farily lackluster showing from Roddick. So, although it wasn't a straight sets win it was a match that Joachim played brilliantly. And as for the Scoville comment, well considering what Roddick had done to him the year before I think he rebounded pretty well with a first round win and pushing Nadal in 3 close sets.
Ok, what does the size of his diamond earrings have to do with anything? He's not the first athlete to wear big earrings (I'm not sure how many tennis players sport huge diamond earrings).
I think his wearing earrings is a reflection of his culture and role models, not a reflection of the type of person he, or his parents are.
BTW, he got to the last rd of qualies at the LA Open that year, lost in 3 sets. I think the guys he beat were ranked in the 200-300s.
To Phil, 128 isnt bad. But it was directed at the guy who I think said Jill Craybas hits harder/can beat DY, whatever the exact quote was. I'm not suggesting he should go for 130 on every 1st serve. I think I mentioned that in my post that not evry ball has to be over 100 mph.
Rios was a perfect example of that, forgot about him.
Lastly, in that clip of him and Djokovic, he was staying w/ Djokovic comfortably from the baseline. Yeah Djokovic was hitting harder, but it's not like DY was pushing. In the Dallas clip, because of the angle, you couldnt really tell how much pace he was getting on the ball, or how his pace compared to the guy he was playing.
How tall is Donald Young by now ?
I think he was 5'9", 2 years ago, as I recall....
Ginepri and fish still haven't really 'done anything' yes they have the odd upset win over higher ranked guys but they are not consistant tournament winners by any means. As for DY? well he reminds me of Hingis when she was a teen, good tennis brain, good movement with adequate ground shots and a nothing serve, however unlike Hingis, i don't think he'll have anything like the success she's enjoyed although it might be a little unfair to even expect it. The hype's been getting is purely from his results as a jnr ( anyone remember Al parker) I was on the tour the same time as Scott Davis who at the time had won more Jnr events than anyone before him and he didn't have what you might call a glittering career.
The whole DYoung situation resembles Freddy Adu in every way. Both are overrated and already have huge paydays. DYoung can't win a challenger and FAdu can't hack it in the MLS.
thanks for that video. Donald young has so much talent, as you can see from that video vs djockvic. But he was looking like a deer in the headlights thing during the beginning of the match, i think if he grows a little more and get more experience, he can be a top 20 player.
With those narrow shoulders and parakeet legs, I would be stunned to see this guy go anywhere. I was impressed with the hand and racquet ability, and he IS lefthanded. But this guys body is soooooooo below average ATP, I just don't see him making anything out of himself. I hope I am wrong, but since i taught a kid who had the same kind of body and huge racquet talent, i don't think I am.
I already explained what I thought the size of his earrings indicated. I can't do it in any simpler terms.
I agree wholeheartedly with your summation, the same thing was going on when mal washington played although he didn't get the hype that DY is getting. I'm not sure that tennis is a poorer place for not having black players, I mean you can't make a kid play tennis, if they choose to gravitate towards football, basketball etc so be it. There's no unwritten rule that says the sport has to have black players. when I played on the tour we had Lloyd Bourne, Todd nelson, N'Duka Odizor, Chip Hooper Paul Wekesa and later Yannick Noah and Ronald Agenor, less than a handful but so what? thats the way it has always been and there's nobody to blame, if tennis still has a country club image thats life. There's nothing that says tennis is obliged to have black players. Look at the top swimmers, apart from Andrew Nesta of a 15-16 years ago I can't hink of another black guy thats even competed at a high level. Oh and before you all start appoaching apoplectic levels, this is not a racist point of view, it's a realistic one
I think the premise is that the USTA would like a successful black American player in order to expand the fan base, not necessarily because the current players are dying to hang out with some black dudes. I think Donald Young had the junior credentials to justify the hype, but I'm not completely perplexed by people who think he got all the attention because he's black.
If you want to see how a successful American black player can help ATP tennis, look no further than the Williams sister, who sparked crazy interest in the WTA, and Tiger Woods, who really helped turn golf into a megasport. By the way, I don't remember Malivai being hyped that much. And his family would argue that being black has hurt them. They're on record as having said many times that the Washingtons didn't get wildcards because they're black.
Ironically enough, I was at both of these matches in Arthur Ashe. It was my first date with my then girlfriend too (now wife). Joachim overwhelmed Roddick with his power game, nobody really even knew how good he could get. I recall Roddick beating him in straight sets in Feb. in San Jose and it was routine. Joachim played with no pressure and served bombs. As much as he overpowered Roddick at his game every set that Joachim won was only one break 6-4, 6-4, 2-6, 3-6, 6-4.
So smoked Roddick I don't think so. In that fifth set the crowd was pretty jacked up and I was thinking Roddick would ride the momentum and take that 5th set but Johansson snuck out the break and served it out the rest of the way. Then he gets destroyed by Hewitt in the SF. Thanks Joachim.
The Nadal match had tight looking sets but it was never as close as the score indicated. I never felt that he could lose it at any moment against Jenkins. Much less tense than the Roddick match.
at least DY is playing some good doubles, he and partner Patrick Briaud (CS, TX) won 1st round at Joplin 2,1 as did a fomrer local Dallas player Jason Marshall and his doubles partner 3,3
Yeah, that was a really bad loss. Roddick won like 10-20 more total points than Joachim & still lost. In the 5th set, I think Roddick lost 1 or 2 points on serve total until he made 3 errors in his last service game & got broken.
Roddick has certainly had a great career, but losses like that make me wonder about the calibur of todays top players. I can't imagine Sampras or Becker virtually pitching a shutout in the 5th set of a major against a much lower ranked player & then fall apart all of a sudden like that.
Well, I guess there are subtle ways of 'hyping' a player & they don't all have to do with endorsements. Mal got scheduled on Center Court or show court 2 at the us open a lot more than most players of his ranking/accomplishments got in those days. You could say that it was the USTA just trying to showcase an American player, but Todd Martin or David Wheaton had to get their ranking up a bit more to ever get a night match at the open, while Mal was put out there quite a bit when he was a lowly ranked player.
It got really crazy with Blake(who has since proven himself, but still) He got put on Ashe at night a few times when he wasn't even top 30 & was playing an unseeded opponent in the 1st or 2nd round. And it wasn't like he was some teenage phenom that was expected to be the next big thing(like capriati or something), he was in his early to mid 20s. Very strange. In the 80s & for most of the 90s, if you weren't top 10(at least) or a former slam champ you were never gonna get scheduled on center court, unless you made the 2nd week.
Been following the game for more than 20+ years & went to many opens in the 80s, it does seem like there is more of a preocupation with race in tennis now than there was back then(off course as tennisplaya mentioned there were more black players on tour back then, but they hardly ever got attention for it. there were just treated like tennis players by the media, not 'black tennis players')
But the sport was so much more popular in the 80s, maybe the usta didn't think they really needed to market to another audience to get people watching.
i think michael chang did that at 14.
oh and by the way...it's all about querrey.
he can't even win more than 2 rounds in a challenger.
If you enter and play any of these guys, you will not even win one single point thru the entire match. You will not even win one point in the Warmup. YOu can have them wear a eyepatch in one eye and even then you will not win one single point.
Don't think so. Chang, way more of a prodigy than Young or Querry, but don't think he achieved the top world junior ranking. Not saying he couldn't have, but I'm pretty sure he went pro before that...
His match against Sweeting should be over by now, anyone know the score ?
but yes, of course chang was more of a prodigy as he went pro at 16.
querrey is 19 now....and young will not be pro before 18....if he even turns pro.
he's kind of like a blue chip stock. lots of press and high profile, but......really hasn't done anything great recently.
Yah Michael Chang did not get a top junior ranking although he did have some very good junior results. He turned pro at age 15. I remember him getting a lot of criticism about turning pro that young. He shut everybody up when he got to the Semifinals of an ATP level event (not a challenger or futures event) at age 15. I believe that is still a record.
HUH? Young turned pro at age 14!
Donald Young already turned pro in 2004 (or was it 2005? crud, they run together at this point).
Isnt this what happened to sampras at 5-5 in 5th vs fed?
I'm not sure i'd describe what happened as Sampras falling apart. Federer hitting clean winner returns had something to do with it if memory serves.
Federer played great & won that match, Sampras didn't make errors in that last game the way Roddick did. Roddick lost virtually no points on serve that day from set 3 until 4-5 in the fifth, when he hit 2 double faults I believe. That's very unusual to see from a top player in a major, maybe you disagree. And Johannson was ranked much lower than Federer was when he played Sampras, so there is another difference.
holy crap. i gave d young the benefit of the doubt. didn't even bother looking up his profile on wikipedia. i just assumed he was still playing jr's.
he will not be the best american player at all.
that's my prediction.
he might go on a streak and do well....crack the top 25 at one point, but will never ever be the best american player EVER.
my $ is on querrey. for the generation after roddick turns 30.
Played well against Novak to me!
After watching that link i posted in other thread, pete missed two easy volleys in that final game.
This just in !!!!
DY defeats Sweeting 4 & 2 in the 1st rd Joplin Challenger.
Sweeting has ATP level wins, so does Bobby Reynolds. DY has beaten them both.
I think its just a matter of time before he goes on a run like Querrey did.
I'm glad he won...keep it up.
Querrey is 6'6" whereas DY is only 5'9" (though he's only 17 and can possibly add 2-3" to his height). Querrey has a massive serve aided by his height, DY otoh has no great stand-out weapon yet. At 5'9" he can beat guys at the challenger level but to extend that to ATP would be far fetched unless DY develops some weapons in his game.
It was good to see DY win though.
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