how did safina ever reach #1

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  1. lawrence

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    I'm watching the clijsters/safina game atm and wow. I mean Clijsters is good and all but this is heading toward a double bagel
     
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  2. Telepatic

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    Safina's serve toss is too high and she's a headcase too.
     
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  3. joeri888

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    Because being a headcase doesn't affect you as much when you are playing very well..
     
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    She was a fighter and had pretty good strokes and the weak competition back then when she was the no. 1, made it look that she was something.

    But her poor serve, her being a headcase points out her true potential.
     
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    i lol'd thank god, bring on hewitt VS Nalby
     
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  6. Underhand

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    She thought that she can be a winner with gorilla tennis but didn't have the mental strength needed.
     
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  7. namelessone

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    Safina got there(at nr.1) by circumstance. She's a major headcase and is lucky to be in the weakest era of womens tennis. Ana Ivanovic, another gal who can't even toss a proper ball(though she has improving from what I saw in Hopman Cup) is a GS winner:oops:

    Then she fell off the map for about two years.

    Safina, however is the headcasiest of the headcases. Zvonareva is another one with her meltdown last year.

    It was downright embarrassing to watch Safina in her RG final against Kuznetsova, she was almost crying and looking towards her coach. Her body language was horrendous that day.

    The crazy part is that I actually Safina would actually make a decent player. She had her brother's crazyness but when I first saw her in action against Sharapova in RG I though to myself "damn this kid can hit the ball" and she seemed pretty gutsy as well. She's made at least SF in every slam out there so there is some talent but no one to harness it.

    Even before her back injuries, she fell into an erratic on and off cycle of performances.
     
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  8. namelessone

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    The WTA hilarity continues.

    Ana Ivanovic, former nr.1, RG champ, who appeared to be coming back after winning a couple of tourneys, goes down in first round to Makarova, 49th player in the world. Brilliant.

    To her credit, she fought well, but this is more evidence about how weak this era is, no one can establish a foothold, the top players of the game are very vulnerable to up and comers.

    This is after another former nr.1, Safina, got DOUBLE BAGELED by mommy Clijsters. Another girl who looked to have some cojones from what little I saw of her, Rezai, just got beat by nr. 69 in the world,Barbora Zahlavova Strycova, with a bagel in the first set.
     
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  9. Sid_Vicious

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    She sucked off Serena in exchange for the no. 1 ranking?
     
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  10. NadalAgassi

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    She got #1 by major major fluke, the recently terrible WTA, the proposterous WTA ranking system, and the ridiculous trend of late of all the good players not wanting to play hardly any tournaments outside the slams, all combined. Even while #1 she wasnt any kind of great player and got destroyed by all big names in big matches.
     
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  12. The-Champ

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    Unfortunately, the only thing she inherited from big brother is the mental aspect of the game. Too bad, she seems like a very nice girl.
     
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  13. NadalAgassi

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    The last 3 years are the worst in the history of womens tennis. Yeah Serena was there in the slams only, the rest of the year she tanks or doesnt even play. I dont begrudge her that, she is an older player now and wants to conserve for the slams where it really matters. Venus has been way past her prime awhile now and Henin retired after a dominant 2007 and hasnt returned to form since. Venus's last slam final outside of Wimbledon was 2003, LOL! Clijsters was retired until late 2009. Sharapova and Mauresmo have been washed up awhile too (Mauresmo now retired of course).

    So it is Serena in the slams only, not any of the rest of the year, Kim in her part time mode the last year or so, and nothing else. Of course an era Jankovic, Wozniacki, Safina, and Ivanovic all reach #1 is the worst ever.

    Kimiko Date in her prime would be #1 today probably, and she never reached higher than #6 in her prime. After all last year she thrashed the #1 player much of 2009 a few times. That doesnt mean she would be a better player than Kim or Serena but since they dont play enough to get the ranking points, she only has to be better than the various slamless #1 ranked people to get there. Players like Anke Huber or Mary Joe Ferandez would probably be ranked #1 today too.
     
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  14. wilkinru

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    Wow.

    She had insane fitness and some real game for a year, then her back was injured and she hasn't put in the effort to get back there.
     
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  15. zak425

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    She looks like she's been hitting the chocolate cake more than the practice court...

    I think she had a total of 13 points in 12 games, thats insane
     
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  16. NadalAgassi

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    At her best she got destroyed by Ivanovic and Kuznetsova in slam finals. Sorry but lets not make it out to be as if she was ever this great player. At her best she was good, never great. And always an embarassment to be #1, probably the biggest ever, even back while playing her best. She would have never sniffed anywhere near #1 if Clijsters and Henin hadnt retired, Sharapova hadnt busted her shoulder up, and Serena gave half a darn about the rankings and tour outside the big 6 tournaments or so.

    Why is anyone surprised at Clijsters beating the crap out of her. It was someone like Kim taking a sabatical from the game that allowed people like Safina to ever be #1 in the first place. It is like people think the Safina that got to #1 could hang with and beat Clijsters in a slam which is certainly not true.
     
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  17. jkang909

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    she treed for a little bit... then she couldnt tree anymore because serena williams just went pyro on her and burned down her whole forest
     
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  18. Mick

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    man. the coach who had coached her when she reached #1 must be a mental giant. he's out of picture now and look what happened!
     
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  19. Gizo

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    Safina is a very good player of course but I think she is a huge overachiever. Before her golden period started at Berlin in 2008, I thought she would be at best a top 10 player and on occasional grand slam semi and quarter-finalists. I never thought she was talented enough to reach world no. 1 or 3 grand slam finals. I thought that even reaching the top 5 in the rankings would be beyond her.

    Comparing her to the another slamless no. 1 Jankovic, who has one of the best backhands and return of serves on the tour, and is also one of the best movers, Safina is/was nowhere near as talented a player as that.

    She is obviously not some talentless nobody or something, but I think her results have been very good considering her lack of technical talent compared to most other contenders or top ranked players in women's tennis in recent times.
     
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  20. fuzz nation

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    I think that lots of issues come into play here concerning Dinara's career so far. The women's game is predominantly about baseline power and Safina was nothing other than a very heavy hitter as she made her run up the rankings. I saw her playing on an outside court at the US Open a few years ago and actually had to back off from the courtside fence while she was playing - absolutely ferocious!

    Aside from the Williams sisters and a few others, not many of the ladies have been able to sustain that "laser-bomb" style of play for more than just a little while. I agree that Dinara sustained a decent level for a stretch, but it also happened when the rank and file were in transition. Plus, I have no idea how that computer ranking works. I get the impression that she sort of made it to #1 in the middle of a perfect storm.

    No way do I mean to diminish her accomplishments. I think she took serious steps to dig in, reinvent herself, get her fitness to its peak, and make every effort she could to climb the rankings in the year or two before she reached the top. Her rise wasn't a complete fluke. It's one thing to reach the rare air in the neighborhood, but it's another thing to stick around.

    Aside from the physical grind of competing against the best in the world on a regular basis, I think that there are significant psychological tools which players either have... or they don't. Unless players get good input early on concerning the management of the mental aspects of the game, they just don't have everything they need to succeed. I'm convinced that good tennis psychology needs to be learned early on so that players like Dinara can realize and prolong their success instead of figuring out how to keep it together after they rack up some wins.

    She may honestly be a player who cares too much.
     
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  21. Shangri La

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    Poor Safina...
     
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