How do you contain the power so easily?

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  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    So many power racket users...why can't I contain the power of a pure drive or aeropro? It truly bugs me. I'm wondering if it is timing, form, or if I just plain hit the way it WASN'T meant to be hit?

    Can someone maybe explain to me why this is? Maybe I will post a video of me hitting in the near future.
     
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  2. LeeD

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    Add spin.
    Topspin is one.
    Underspin is another.
    Sidespin a third, which can be combined with the two above, separately, of course.
     
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  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    That sounds like a technique based advice, wouldn't it be largely ignored?
     
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  4. MikeHitsHard93

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    It seems like I add some spin. My slice is great. I know that much. But my topspin is probably average. Maybe I hit too flat? It seems like I hit with too much spin sometimes though. You know, when the ball just dives into the net?
     
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  5. MikeHitsHard93

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    I'm definitely not gonna ignore ANYTHING. There's too much of a wealth of knowledge here. Lol
     
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  6. LeeD

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    Look at the pros, even DelPo. They all hit hard, the spin allows the ball to stay in.
    if you hit the net, aim higher.
     
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  7. MikeHitsHard93

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    And then when I aim higher, it seems to always sail lol. There's like a really small window.
     
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  8. Frankauc

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    just play more, it will eventually go in, it's not the racket, we all went through this phase
     
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  9. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'm glad you're one to learn, and good for you! Certainly a rare breed when everyone looks for quick fixes by means of equipment "upgrade".

    Firstly, what grip are you using? Certain grips make it harder to impart spin, but not impossible. Western-ish grips have an easier time to impart spin because of the contact point and swing path. Eastern-ish grips have a harder time to impart spin, but not impossible.

    Secondly, spin can come down to faith you have in yourself. You really have swing faster, if you're hesitant on the stroke, chances are it'll fly out. So don't be afraid, and swing out. You have to believe the brush and the subsequent spin will keep the ball in the court.
     
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  10. MikeHitsHard93

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    Yeah I don't want to blame the racket or strings. Maybe I'm just scapegoating when I do...except for when the string is dead of course. I SHOULD be able to use anything at this stage in my game. Except maybe anything under 95 sq in
     
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    I have a SW forehand grip. I play with a lot of people under the 3.5 level so usually I am the one hitting all the powerful shots. That being said, I do force errors because of that.

    When I hit my FH, I try to use the same swing on every shot. I want it to be a modern windshield wiper shot, but I feel that it's a mix of classic full round swing as well. It feels awkward but idk how to change it. I'm also not in a good place to take lessons. Too expensive. I am all self-taught since HS and play recreationally
     
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  12. MikeHitsHard93

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    And I'm not gonna lie, I thought for a long time and sometimes still think that my equipment is holding me back. But I want to be enlightened lol
     
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  13. lynnbart

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    We play with 2 PD's and a PDR. Strings can tame it some but good technique is the key... My son has spent a little time at an academy and it was full of PD's and APD's with the kids blasting away.

    Trust the swing and play...!
     
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  14. sundaypunch

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    I have the same problem as you. Unfortunately, as others have said, it's not the fault of the racquet. You just need to develop more consistency. This will come with hitting thousands and thousands of balls. A powerful racquet will magnify your inconsistency. Topspin will give you more margin for error but it isn't going to solve all of your problems.

    If you think about it, there are a huge number of things that you have to control to hit a shot where you want it - swing speed, swing path, racquet face angle, contact point, etc. You will gain more control of these as you play more.
     
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  15. 2ManyAces

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    you could just close the racquet face a bit more, thus causing you to swing up more, thus causing you to hit topspin, thus causing you to harness power.
     
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    Not enough racquet head speed. Assuming the rest of your swing path is OK and a SW or FW results in netting the ball, either get faster or adjust your grip.
     
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  17. MikeHitsHard93

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    I just am so constricted right now to play. I don't have the money to pay for a club membership and I live in Michigan, which only has about 4 months of good hitting time. I can see myself moving in the future.

    The sad thing is that everyone around here knows that I am about the most avid tennis player in the area. I am at the courts more often than anyone else. And I am still not that good lol.

    I have been thinking lately that I need something that I can build on as I get better. Power level, idk. Head size, idk. Weight, idk! I am so lost and I don't know what I like. All I know is I like my string bed to be as predictable as possible. Then I know for sure that it was my fault, even though it is always my fault.

    God I love this game. I wish it was a tad but easier for me though lol. I want to play college tennis sooooo bad.
     
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  18. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    SW grip should have easy access to both topspin and flatness. Also, seeking consistency in the form of have the same swing on every shot can be a double edged sword. Yes, it's good that you want to have the same swing. But at the same time, you really can't and have to change your contact point, swing path, and etc. based on what the opponent gives you, where you are on the court, and what you intend to do with your shot.

    When you're in a better place financially, I strongly advise you to take lessons.

    Equipment CAN hold you back in the notion that, modern day racquet with their size, power, and easy access to spin can hold you back by making the game "too easy". My advice is, pick the most difficult racquet for yourself, practice with it, and force yourself to focus on good technique, timing, and in the case of using a heavy racquet, fitness to some degree.
     
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    Are there any "hitting groups" around you ? My son has taken some lessons and will still take one for adjustments but has since been invited to a hitting group, He has progressed so fast since joining and is able to learn from a pro about how to play the game. Cost is much less and he gets to play with others as good or better.

    I'd sure ask around...
     
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  20. MikeHitsHard93

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    That sounds awesome!

    I think there's actually a class I can take at my community college now that I think about it...it's $400 a semester. Might be worth it
     
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    You're not the only one who can't handle a widebody racquet. Why do you think they call the lower powered racquets "player's" racquets? Most people with fast swings can play decently with a Pure Drive, but they play better with a Pure Storm because more balls go in and they can relax and swing away. The top 3 players in the world right now are all playing with player's spec racquets. They certainly have the ability to play with a Pure Drive, but they play better with Pro Staffs and Radicals.
     
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  22. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    the easy answer is just come up the back of the ball more and swing harder.

    however, that said, I don't really enjoy playing with PDs and the like becasue I am always conscious of having to keep the ball in play with a deliberate amount of spin, I don't really feel like I can just let rip..
     
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    hrmm.... i have thought about this a little bit myself. i was thinking about changing to a different racquet because i was losing matches by hitting out too much. i currently use a BLX Pro Open. i demoed a bunch of racquets and if I do change, i would go to a Head IG Speed.
    the thing is, you are right. "pure drive style" racquets are very powerful.. and the singles court in tennis is not that big. especially when hitting an inside out angled forehand for an attempted clean winner, there just isn't a lot of room.
    i still might switch, but i recently played well and when you play well with these racquets it is a lot of fun!
    i think it is important with any racquet but i would say
    STRING TYPE and
    STRING TENSION
    are extemely important with these powerful racquets.
    i would recommend a poly string (textured and twisted probably) and tension is personal but something that gives you feel for the ball on your strings.
    the other thing that i think is probably most important with powerful racquets
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    SWING SPEED
    you have to "go for it" and accelerate through the ball and not be hesitant or else you won't get the topspin necessary to keep the ball in the court.
    i added 10gr of lead to my racquet at 12pm which adds a lot to the swing weight, but when i swing aggressively i think it adds momentum and creates a heavier ball. i dunno, maybe it just slows my swing down and just makes my swing smoother... but i like to think it creates a heavy ball.
    anyway, if you just can't control it with a powerful racquet no matter what you try, don't feel bad... just try a racquet with 18x20 string pattern or with more flex or both.
    ....
    or just play DOUBLES!!!! :)
     
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    Women need more power. Men need more finesse. Stop searching for power. Look for angles and spin.
     
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  25. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hey, I have a pro open too! Lol.

    I play both doubles and singles, but mostly singles.

    I've been thinking that maybe a racket with low SW and decent power will help me out, but I'm afraid of the power level. Its all in my head maybe?
     
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    Racquets are all roughly the same in terms of "power". Your pure drive gives you 2-3 extra miles per hour over the least powerful frame on the market with a similar swingweight, tops. That's not enough extra speed to send balls into the fence. "Powerful" racquets tend to have more open string patterns, which can produce problems with control. But those problems are not related to power, as such. As others mentioned, you need to add more spin, which is what the open patterns of the Pure Drive and that ilk are for. Many people on these boards don't like open patterns because they hit rather flat. These guys don't use the spin potential of the open pattern and therefore the inherent slight control loss that an open pattern produces makes such frames a losing proposition for them.

    You also didn't mention your strings. What are you using? The wrong string at the wrong tension in a Pure Drive exacerbates the control issues.

    But I agree with other posters. Unless you're swinging 80 miles an hour on your forehand, you should be able to control that racquet with just about any string, as long as you know what you're doing. You need to get better to avoid hitting the ball long. Tennis isn't easy.
     
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    Haha yeah I know it's not easy. It likely wouldn't be fun if it was! And I typically use multis because I'm skeptical about poly. Idk if its a good idea for me to use it. Hopefully I get a machine for Xmas though so I can try stuff out :)

    Interesting point on the power levels...didn't know that.
     
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  28. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    see sig :)
     
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    Hahaha. How coincidental
     
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    hardly, i have adopted it!
     
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  31. sundaypunch

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    That's the easy answer if you have developed the skill to make it work.
     
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  32. corners

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    The elusive obvious :)
     
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  33. tlm

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    I used to use one but I had the same problem as you are having, these rackets are rocket launchers thats all there is to it. I use a lot of top spin but still if I am off just a little the ball goes long, just look for something else that has more control.
     
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    So does anyone have a racket in mind that looks cool and will let me have fun? Lol
     
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    Sorry but there is no way that all rackets are roughly the same in power. And I don't want to hear about some lab tests that can never match what a player feels and experiences.
     
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    Exactly right.
     
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  37. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    what about a Wilson BLX Pro Open?

    oh, wait... :)
     
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    A pure drive-like racket in the right hands is a monster of a stick. My teammate uses one, to my competitive annoyance, with excellence. He hits balls that curves in the air to the right then dive bombs for the concrete. On the other Hand, i was observing a tennis lesson on the other court or a few weeks and two of the kids used a PD. One of them could not keep an ball in to save his life. It wasn't because he couldn't play either. He brought out another racket, a PS BLX 95, and he was beast. the other kid was struggling on balls hit out of position. Bottom line is: it depends
    on you, your style of play, your method of hitting, your swing, your preferences and other various variables too numerous to list:lol:.
     
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  39. MikeHitsHard93

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    Haha I like this racket. Just want something new! And that won't break the bank. Less that $160
     
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    looks like you have headed down the path of no return.

    take yourself to the Diary of a Racketholic thread and abandon all hope.
     
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  41. MikeHitsHard93

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    Lmao. I know...at least I'm not addicted to crack. Rackets are much better!
     
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    I agree with you I can almost use one myself, I love the nasty top spin and kick it can give you. But in match conditions I will hit to many errors to make up for the points that I receive from the nasty spin.
     
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    If you are using a multi, you will probably notice a difference with a poly hybrid.

    We are using Discho Black Iontec mains and Prince Syn Gut Original in the crosses. It is extremely cost effective, comfortable, and the playability is excellent. Much more controllable than a full multi...

    Discho Black Iontec is an excellent poly to start out with....
     
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    I believe others have touched upon it, but grip type is highly important. I'll speak in terms of the APDGT, but - for me- the racquet transformed once I committed to using a full western grip (of course coupled with a heavy topspin, wind-shield wiper stroke). Trying to implement a more a traditional stroke, with a more standard grip (I previously was a semi-western guy) with this racquet lead to some disappointment and frustration in the perception that racquets have not improved since the Head Prestige (600) era. They have - you just have to utilize the equipment correct. And yes, I feel I generate more pace with the APDGT in this manner than hitting flat with the venerated PC600 or PT280/630.
     
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  45. MikeHitsHard93

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    I love how the apdgt looks and feels. Maybe I should buy a used one and put a hybrid in it? Are discho Iontec strings good then?
     
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    One possible way to harness the power might be to try a more compact backswing. You cannot swing these frame like old school sticks. Shortening the backswing may allow you to swing through the ball with your usual speed.
     
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  47. El Zed

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    I would be careful about buying a used APDGT (from anyone other than TW); perhaps you are a bit safer with the Cortex (doubt it) but more likely the original (which I believe many people prefer - as do I). With TW, at least you have 30 days to see if you like the racquet, which should be ample time to see if you like the racquet and if its structurally fine.

    I've tried the APD (GT and Original) with a variety of strings. My preferred combo is effectively their hybrid blend of VS 16 and RPM Blast 17 - great spin, power and good control. If you go this route, however, I recommend getting a full set of the RPM Blast and VS Tonic (should be marginally more expensive, but you'll get two sets to hybrid with) - Tonic is, for all intents and purposes, just as good as the regular VS (aside from some cosmetics, which frankly is irrelevant to me). I also liked a full set of Dunlop Black Widows - a very soft co-poly that rivals many multis in softness. Great spin, good control and adequate power. The feel is somewhat lacking compared to the hybrid and to some other multis, however. My least preferred was the Prince Premier 16 and the Head RIP Control multis. Good, comfortable strings - but the spin is relatively uninspired compared to the aforementioned.

    Finally, I highly recommend filling the handle with Blu Tack. After removing the grip and replacing with two VS overgrips, this Blu Tack is sufficient to offset the addition of about 10 grams of lead at 12:00 - which ultimately satisfies the "Rafa" specs posted throughout. Is it heavy, yes, compared to stock - but not anymore difficult to wield than a Prestige or Pro Tour. What the Blu Tack further provides is sublime feel - no vibration, but with sufficient feedback (without the use of a string dampener). To me, it has the comfort of the venerated Fischer Vacuum 90 and is better than the aforementioned Prestiges/Pro Tours.

    Sorry of this doesn't make sense - frame of thought posting without proofing.
     
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  48. MikeHitsHard93

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    I am considering getting the extended from TW because I actually like extended rackets. What is Blu tak? It sounds amazing
     
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    It a silly-putty type of material; prefer it to silicone as it doesn't ruin your racquet (i.e. it's very easy to remove). Can't over emphasize how effective its been (can be purchased from Amazon).
     
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    If it gets rid of vibration I'm all for it. Also will bring down the sw of the extended apdgt. This sounds pretty cool.
     
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