How do you contain the power so easily?

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  1. El Zed

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    Every time I purchase a new racquet - even after much research - I vow never to come to this site since my head will almost undoubtedly be turned by some other racquet. I, of course, fail to carry through with this, since this board is so much fun.

    The Dunlops are nice sticks, but there's something about it that just don't work for me. Perhaps I'm too fickle and easily swayed by marketing, but they don't seem hi-tech enough for me. Again, I have a lot of the old classics (or did at one time) and while they have their charm, they just seem so dated. To this end, I believe in modern tennis - and believe that the spin-game is here to stay for the foreseeable future. Serve and volleying just appears antiquated, like using a libero/sweeper in soccer - as such, the racquet's ability to volley is of much less importance to me than ground strokes or returns for instance. As such, Dunlop just comes across as a company who makes very solid sticks for guys in their 40s or early 50s that have a certain perspective on what a racquet should be like and want a quality reproduction of that (much like Pro Kennex and to an extent Yonex). Nothing wrong with that if that's your game, but it's not mine. That being said, the 200 Tour is a club and is fun because of it - also believe they can be found new for under $100.00.

    In terms of the buzz/vibration, I believe some racquets are indeed better than others but that a happy medium can be found with the right string choice for almost all racquets. Put a full bed of stiff poly on an APDGT and it will be noticeably buzzy, sure - but natural gut (or even quality multi), to a lesser degree and none at all w/ blu tack/silicone. To me, however, I value performance over feel. For example, I recently sold off a pair of Fischer Vacuum Pro 90s. A much lauded racquet here - legendary feel and precision. This is true, however, the racquet is almost totally dead in the upper hoop and has very little inherent power (even with a full, traditional stroke). I wasn't willing to give up 10-20% of velocity for feel. Maybe your the same?

    Also, and since I believe this will be a process rather than a quick fix, take a look at ****. Perform a search on the racquets you're interested in and see what price you can actually sell them off for if you get tired of them. In this regard, the APDGT or the PDR may have higher resale than something like a Exo Tour 100.

    Finally, have you looked at the Head Microgel Radical MP? It checks off a few of the boxes you indicated and is dirt cheap right now. Although I much prefer the APD, the MG Radical is still a great racquet with less power, great feel, and low weight. Also, it's 18x20, so more suitable to your standard stroke.
     
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    The more I think about it, the Microgel Radical may be perfect for you - in terms of your listed qualifications. $69.00 for a used Grade A on TW, with a 30 day return period... Let's see what others think.
     
  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    That is a really good idea. I didnt see that one...

    I actually rather enjoyed hitting with a IG rad MP, just didnt care for how it looked really lol. I know thats lame, but it matters to me.
     
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    Thanks; perhaps use the "quote" function to clarify responses that could be applicable to various posts. As such, yes, I agree that the added power can obviously benefit those inherently deficient in this manner - regardless of gender.
     
  5. MikeHitsHard93

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    plus the IG Rad MP is pricey. I would rather buy two used or sale rackets
     
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    I have one - originally bought for the wife while I was in my Prestige stage. Fun racquet, and sharp looking. It's not going to have the spin potential or power of the APD, but it's far more effective than the APD when employing a traditional stroke/grip and it has a good feel (although closer to the APD than classic Heads). Like the APD, it's also light enough to accept a ton of mods.

    That being said, the ceiling is higher with the APD if you're willing to make changes to your game and if you can live with the feel (which after blu tack is sublime).
     
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    Not to confuse you further, but have you looked into the Blade 98? I have no experience with the racquet, but a lot of positive press about it on here (although I'm wondering if it's generated by the recent postings by the pro on this board - apologies for not remembering his name).
     
  8. Fuji

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    I use the Blade 98 as my main stick these days as well. :razz:

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  9. MikeHitsHard93

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    Yeah I've hit the blade 98 before. I liked it but it was a tad bit harsh. I think it was strung too tightly though. I would also probably ask tw to find one with a SW around 325 instead of in the 330's
     
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    yes. microgel radical. ive got one of those laying around too. light enough to take fast swings, but very control oriented.
     
  11. MikeHitsHard93

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    Larry, have you used a pacific XForce before? I'm worried about the radical fluttering in my hand just like the XForce.
     
  12. Larrysümmers

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    no. thats not a problem for me as i have a death grip on my racket lol. but even when i do loosen my grip to slow the shot down i dont have problems. mind you i added a leather grip, but idk if that would make a difference.
     
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    Yeah I see the tw play testers have the rad an 80 on stability and a 74 for the XForce. This might just be what I'm looking for.

    Would I be able to request new strings rather than the stock strings? I also don't know what I would string it with.
     
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    I've requested new strings from stock when I order over the phone. Any other medium doesn't offer it I believe.

    String it up with something on the firmer end and I think you'd be golden!

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    A firm poly or multi?
     
  16. Fuji

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    Definitely a firmer multi. A firm poly in a closed pattern definitely isn't my cup of tea since it just feels like a plank.

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    Hmm ok. Maybe something like addiction then?
     
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    ask my opinion and this is a spin monster with poly. but as Fuji said it is planky. i myself am a fan of nxt at higher tensions.
     
  19. Fuji

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    Definitely!

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  20. MikeHitsHard93

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    Anyone played the vcore 98D? That looks almost exactly what I want.
     
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    I really liked it when I demo'd it, it felt a bit stiffer then specs indicate though. Super firm racket head I felt. I had it strung with RIP Control @ 55/53lbs however.

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  22. MikeHitsHard93

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    It just seems sooo similar to my pro open. But the price tag sucks
     
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    Screw it. I love my pro open. I'll either get another one or the new paint job. No adjustment and I know how it plays. Problem solved.
     
  24. Fuji

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    Good call!

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    Can you tell I'm indecisive? ;) lol.

    I'm dead set on this now though. I'm gonna buy the newer model.

    What strings? I liked a hybrid of rpm and nvy as well as full multi. Felt like I got more consistency from the multi though. I wonder if full poly would be good
     
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    I had a full bed of Weiss Cannon B5E in my Pro Open at 53 lbs and it was one of the best setups I've had in recent memory. If only madness and this message board hadn't led me astray...
     
  27. MikeHitsHard93

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    Lol how long did it last?
     
  28. LeeD

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    Rackets are cheap.
    Buy what you like, use it for a while, buy something else.
    Ever race roadracing, motocross, try waterski jumping, windsurf competitively? Those are not expensive.
    Car racing is espensive.
    Tennis rackets are cheap. I'm homeless and own 11 of 'em. Maybe that's why I'm homeless...
     
  29. MikeHitsHard93

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    Are you really homeless?
     
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    Living with g/f right now.
    My big possession is my 1979 FordEconoline van. Yes, 1979. Next major possession is my 2012 CannodaleCaad8-6, about 700 bucks.
    Haven't paid rent since 1993.
    But now retired finally.
     
  31. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hey man if you're healthy and happy then who cares right? :)
     
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    I think so.
    When I was 12, I knew the normal life,.. wife, family, mortgage, was not for me. Plenty of guys want it, they can have my place.
    I was raised in an academic family. Lucky for me, by 10, I found I was the best athlete in grade school, although the smallest. Figured I'd grow someday, so no problem. Didn't figure it would take me 2 years into junior college to grow.
    Life is good, if you can wake up and look forward to doing something that day. I look forward to playing tennis maybe twice a week, but often play less than once a week, due to windsurfing, which takes up 7 days a week during the summer months.
    I kinda approached life like the animals. Some females are attracted to big homes, security, money, and a dominating male. Not my type, obviously.
    Some females build their own nests, like their lifestyle, cool.
     
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    That's a great racquet for modification as you get better.
    By the way, have you posted a video of you hitting? You can get a lot of really good feedback here. It may well be a technique issue.
     
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    Tennis...
    Maintain good posture on all shots.
    Watch ball.
    Swing as fast as you can control, add or subtract spin to keep the ball IN.
    Hit 100,000 tennis balls while you're at it.
     
  35. MikeHitsHard93

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    No I haven't. I haven't played for 2 weeks because of the weather :/

    I am hopefully going to take an intermediate tennis class next semester, so hopefully by then I can post a video. I'm sure it probably is a technique flaw.. My pro open just hides my flaws for me ;)
     
  36. MikeHitsHard93

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    The class is at MSU and its $400
     
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    That's a good deal IMO. It gets you (hopefully) lots of court time to work on some things. Here coaching is anywhere from 70-100$ an hour, so really what most pay for 4-5 lessons here you are getting I believe way more time! :razz:

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    Yeah it's two hours every week!
     
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    That's really lucky! I wish my Uni offered a development course like that!

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    Why are we trying to "contain" the power? Why not harness it and use it to our advantage?
     
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    Well it's like a rec class but its half training half matches :)
     
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    Lol wtf are you talking about LeeD?
     
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    What does "contain" cannote.
    To keep it under control, right?
    Why not utilize the power?
     
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    Isn't that what we were talking about before? And we concluded that spin was the way to harness the power? Lol
     
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    You said you don't hit with good spin, as one shot goes low, the other high.
    So where does that leave you?
    I say, swing as fast as you can under control, adding spin if needed, flatten it as needed.
     
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    Depending on the circumstances and direction it's coming from. I can't wait for my class so that I can play against hard hitters
     
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    MHH93, seems like you are looking for a new racket quite a bit. Get any decent racket and that's it. The MG Rad or the older Dunlop AG 4d 300 that was on sale would both be great.

    Then, stick with it for a minimum of 1 year - preferably 2 years.

    I think you might want to learn more about technique and how to play tennis as equipment is only going to do so much.

    Ideas other than buying a new racket:

    1. Join a local USTA team that takes team lessons - cost is usually under $100 for the USTA fees and 7-10 weekly team lessons.
    2. Get a 1-3 friends and buy a package of 4-6 lessons from a local pro. Again, cost should be low.
    3. Buy a good tennis book and use it to work on your technique. I did this when I was young and my game was much improved after reading the book and sticking to the changes for 3 months.
    4. Buy a 1 week package at a junior camp or adult camp. There has to be something near Michigan that is good. Nike has camps pretty much everywhere. If you are still in High School, tell your parents that's what you want for XMAS.

    A racket will make a small change in the amount of power, spin or control your game has but in general, your technique is overwhelmingly more important to these attributes of your game.

    In a nut shell, get a pretty decent racket for your game. It does not have to be perfect. Then concentrate on fine tuning your game. As you improve, you will begin to know more about which rackets are good for your game. I like thin beam, flexible, and moderately heavy rackets. I don't like thick beam, stiffer, and lighter rackets - I have strayed and tried thicker/stiffer frames but always go back to thin beams.

    But, when I was young and a due to a shortage of funds, I would sometimes buy a couple of frames and play with them for many years. I played my Prince Precision Graphites for at least 5-6 years - maybe longer. I played the Volkl Quantum Tour 10 rackets for 4+ years. Older Tecnifibre 320 for 3 years. My current Volkl O10 295's are almost 2 years old now. Changing frames every year is not necessary especially if you are going to a different class of racket each time.
     
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    You caught me :p the funny thing is, I haven't kept any of the rackets that I have purchased. The only one I still have is my pro open, and I am going to stay with it.

    The thing is, I shouldn't even really be worrying about even getting better. I am a college student and I work all of the time that I'm not at school. I still live with my parents, and taking once a week lessons would be the most I can do. I am probably going to not work as hard this summer, however, and do something as you are describing. I have never even heard of any of these things before.

    I currently only have one love in my life, and her name is tennis.

    I have one friend that I am sure would join me in hiring a pro to teach us. I actually know a pro, but he works somewhere that is incredibly expensive ($120/month). He is also getting too busy to even strong my rackets anymore and he lives too far away to offer private lessons.

    I am going to check my college course that LCC offers and see what it's all about. Hopefully I get some good instruction out of it as well as some good fun tennis :)

    So, for now, I believe I am done looking for a new racket. Instead, I will buy one or two used backups of my same racket and I will try out different strings, as I have made it clear that I want a stringer for Xmas. I love the way this racket plays, so I believe I need look no further. Ill instead spend my money on string, shoes, overgrip, and a new bag since I own a prince bag right now.
     
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    I sincerely HOPE your tennis class is the level you think it is.
    Not trying to jinx you. "Intermediate" is often for people who played 5 times.
    Hope it's not, in your case.
     
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    I hope so too but I talked to the Instructor and he said they were mostly 4.0
     

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