how do you rate yourself?

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  1. Tennissssssss

    Tennissssssss New User

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    i know people have that NTRP rating thing,

    but my question is how do you rate yourself?

    do you just self-evaluate?

    I want to know my rating..
     
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  4. Babb

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    Self ranking is junk. Don't ever believe anyone who is self-ranked. When they say 5.0, they really mean 4.0 at best. Sorry, but this is the truth...
     
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  5. nadalfan!

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    I don't play a lot of usta tournaments, so I'm 127 in Michigan. But I have 2 more tournaments this month and I want to get to ranking at around top 75 which I can if I win both tourneys.
     
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  6. Noveson

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    And you think you are a 5.0? I don't think so. The best players in your state are probably around 5.5.
     
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  7. when in doubt call it out

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    like others have said, if youre that good you would have won both your tournaments.

    self rating is horrible
     
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  8. cadfael_tex

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    From what I've read on this forum you take the number of shots you can take in a rally before making an error and multiply that number by 1.5.
     
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  9. A.Davidson

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    So true! I hate that!
     
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  10. when in doubt call it out

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    so what your saying is that I should be 15.0+ according to NTRP rankings?
     
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  11. cadfael_tex

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    If you can really hit ten shots competitively in a match without an unforced error :twisted:

    Y'all know I'm kidding right...
     
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  12. nadalfan!

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    Well, I haven't played my two tournaments this month yet, when in doubt call it out. I am going to play them. I just won a tourney a couple of weeks ago. And like I said, I am between a 4.5 and 5.0. Not 5.0. If I was 5.0 I'd be playin' nationals.
     
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  13. XhotXEX1290

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    if you're not even top 100 in your state, theres no way you could even be a 4.5...i would say you're probably a 3.5
     
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  14. J011yroger

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    The top 25 or so 14 year olds in the country would be 5.0ish.

    J
     
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  15. SalParadise17

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    Just to add this, I regularly watch the 15th ranked 13 year old in the nation, he's about a 4 or a 4.5. I could be wrong, but that would be my guess and, like I said, I see him play a lot.

    Sal
     
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  16. kfactor/all/the/WAY!

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    no one is truthful in online forums like this. probably some people are noobs or that they are actually legit. but just because you have a good self judged ntrp rating, it doesnt mean that if you were to be judged to some one else youd get the same thing. possibly go to a club and ask some one that seems to know something, to analyze how you play and tell you what they think of your ntrp rating. i personally dont care what ntrp rating you have. You want to play? I would love to paly a mtach with anybody. the better u are the better for me to learn and get a whole lotta better.
     
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  17. NebAce1

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    who was this?
     
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  18. J011yroger

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    Got me beat, I don't know any tough 14s players from around corning.

    J
     
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  19. nadalfan!

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    Well, I'm just rating myself on how I play. Sorry if it's not 100% accurate. Just judging my strokes.
     
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  20. raiden031

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    When I read those descriptions right now I can easily put myself in the 4.5 category, but I know that I would get destroyed by a 4.5 player. I would say subtract 1.0 from whatever category you think you would fit in.

    Me = 4.5 description - 1.0 error adjustment = 3.5 true rating

    The true rating is the highest rating in which you would play matches with competitive scores on average if you played USTA leagues or NTRP tournaments.
     
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  21. DomStar7

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    he said he didnt play many tournaments for goodness sakes give him a break.
    i bet half of you guys are like a 1.0
     
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  22. Zhou

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    Here is the thing, if he truly is a 14 year old that is a 4.5- 5.0 NTRP rating, he would be winning the majority of his matches with ease. So, even playing a couple of tournaments would get you a good amount of points.
     
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  23. Babb

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    Agreed. (10)
     
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  24. RestockingTues

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    He probably just hasn't seen any 4.5 players hit yet, the way they described a 4.5 player could mean anyone.

    Of course, everyone else on this board DOES know what a 4.5 player looks like :D So give the kid a break.
     
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  25. ChuDat

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    mostly everyone I play with say I'm about a 3.5-4.0 player
     
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  26. cadfael_tex

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    I especially agree with what raiden said. Think the self-rate give you an idea where to begin be competitive and then from there your success or lack there of shows how accurate you were.
     
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  27. [d]ragon

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    check out the USTA site. they hav the rating system. find what u think is ur rating, then drop it by 1 to 1.5 or more levels. more accurate that way. i.e, if u think ur 5.0 material according to that chart, then ur probably closer to 3.5 - 4.0.


    perfect example :)

    really, have a pro do it. ratings also depend on where u live. a 4.0 in one part of the country might be better/worse than a 4.0 in another
     
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  28. kairosntx

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    I kind of get the opposite impression when reading these boards. There seems to be a lot of threads talking about people self-rating lower than their actual ability and sandbagging the USTA leagues.

    I signed up for a USTA card online and went through the questions which leads to self rating. Based on my answers to the questions I self-rated a 3.5. I entered a local 3.5 league and won the league by 30+ games so I will be playing in the 4.0 league in the spring. But having said that, I have not played in any tournaments and I imagine the competition at 3.5 would be greater in tournaments with points at stake. I bet there would be some sandbaggers there as well...
     
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  29. babolatking

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    im top sixty in my section..
    4.0-weak 4.5
     
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  30. KerryJ

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    Yeah this self-rating thing is way off. My coach is a 5.0 or so, and I get beat 6-1, 6-0 and he only plays at 50%. Yet according to the self-rating, we should be equal competitors.
     
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  31. 10schick

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    I have seen in tennis magazines before where coaches travel the country and hold "rating" clinics or seminars. The USTA would probably be involved, so check with them. They would know where to guide you.
     
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  32. raiden031

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    People who actually know their level by playing against rated players will purposely self-rate at the lowest level possible. But people who don't but are just estimating their ability based on the descriptions usually overrate themselves. I think thats probably more common of teenagers who aren't eligible to play in the NTRP leagues.
     
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  33. mitsuki

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    sorry, but i don't think you're that high. Im in high school and only 3.0. The highest ranked kid i know is only 3.5.
     
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  34. kctennis1005

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    well mitsuki that would be because you are from hawaii. in california there are many good high school players in the 4.5-5.0 range. there are about 7-10 in all of the islands of hawaii.
     
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  35. Circa

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    eh, I'm probably a weak-ish 4.0. =/
     
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  36. mitsuki

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    We have some good players here too. 5 of our varsity players are national contenders. Don't underestimate us.
     
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  37. kctennis1005

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    what are their names and ill tell u what level they are? im just saying that bc if theyre national contenders then theyre at least a 4.5 and u said there are none higher than a 3.5 or 4.0
     
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  38. topspin_17

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    when people look at these lists, they just read the descriptions and say 'yeah i have a lot of power', 'yeah i can put away volleys' yadda yadda yadda. some of these people are really what they say, but others are complete loudmouths.
     
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  39. Babb

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    NTRP means nothing as the result of self-evaluation. However, it means even less on an internet message board... lol.
     
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  40. Freedom

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    I feel I'm in the 3.5-4.0 range. I'm playing a tournament for the first time in monthes, and I just won my first round 4-6 7-5 10-7 (third set is a 10 point tiebreak) at the 3.5 level.
     
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  42. ohplease

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    First of all, there's a very real phenomenon where ratings have been depressed over the last few years due to 1) sandbagging and 2) the arithmetic quirks of the USTA's algorithm, which tends to push people towards the middle of the bell curve.

    That said, here's a good rule of thumb for the current state: if you go down to the courts at your busiest local public park, with the liveliest pickup scene - the best regular players there will typically be 4.0s, at best, or even 3.5 if the average level of play isn't very good.

    Strong 4.0s and up will have a hard time just walking on to a decent hit. If you're not having some real trouble finding someone new to challenge you, there's no way you can say you're a 4.5. Legit 4.5s are relatively few and far between, and need to search each other out and make appointments to hit. Even strong 4.0s might luck into some decent pick-up action, but odds are they'll be at least a little bit bored.

    This is not to say those are REAL 4.0s - but that's what I've found currently maps to those levels is today's USTA leagues.
     
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  43. NebAce1

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    What would you rate me?

    I'm 14 years old and I don't play tons of tournaments, but in one of my recent ones I won 7 matches beating two players top 65 in the nation, and two other players in the low 200 range in the country. I know juniors aren't really supposed to use the rating system, but I'm just curious.
     
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  44. Fuji

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    It's so funny, from the rating system that was posted, I would be about a 5.0, but I know it all reality that I am no where near that! LOL! :) I am only a 3.5 to barley a 4.0.
     
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  45. mantennis

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    probably a 6.0
     
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  46. tennis boy

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    im a 4.5 and im 13 i was #12 in No California
     
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  47. justinmadison

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    I am an adult player computer rated at 4.5 for the last 3 years. I have around a 50% winning percentage and have played line 1, 2,and 3. I think that makes me a mid-range 4.5.

    My son is a freshman and is #182 on tennisrecruiting.net, and #74 in boys 14s national. He will be a 4 star freshman on tennis recruiting when the ratings come out in October. He is 14 and will turn 15 next July. He beats all of the 4.0’s around town. He can beat most, but not all, of the 4.5’s. He beats me on a regular basis. ( I still cling to the hope that I can win) That probably makes him a good, but not amazing 4.5.

    My guess is the national top 25 boys 14s are 5.0s. Probably 26 to 250 or so are 4.5’s, and below 250 to I don’t know where are 4.0s.
     
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  48. J011yroger

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    ^^^ Get it in now! When they turn 16ish is when the little buggers start picking up steam.

    Old guys rule lol.

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  49. ProgressoR

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    my mental game is about 5.5, my physical game is about 3.5, but I think like a winner. so its pretty much the same thing.

    I reckon i could beat Rafa in a game of chess.
     
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  50. tennisdad65

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    Would Rafa be allowed to play chess with his left hand? :)
     
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