How do you stop opponents from ripping returns

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  1. chatt_town

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    Well...let me just say this. I would never get on the court with people where I couldn't protect myself. There are enough @holes even at the level I do play. I haven't ran across anyone yet where the balls I hit couldn't do just as much damage as the ones they are hitting...so again...it is what it is...No level is above this type play so what difference does it make? I've seen people get head hunted everyone from 3.0 to open...so again..what's your point about the level of play?


     
  2. chatt_town

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    Well...I'll take my chances bro just a you do when you step on the court. If you've played any real time, you know just like I know you will run across an @hole here and there. Just like in real life I usually avoid confrontation, but I just don't take any *****. It's worked for me so far. I haven't had one person try to come over a net and bother me and I haven't had to go over the net and bother anyone. If anyone were to just come over the net at me guess what...if you had been there, they would've probably found a reason to come over at you as well. So maybe you are the kind of player that lets the people you play make the calls on your side of the net as well as theirs just to keep peace...or bang your practice serves and say nothing about it...I don't I'm sorry. Again....I always come to have fun and play tennis but if I must clown you...then I will...again...I haven't had any problems in the 10 plus years I've played and don't suspect I'll have any to the nature you described. Most people aren't looking for that kind of trouble...just to be an @hole....:)


     
  3. Aurellian

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    what are you? some sort of tennis tough guy?
     
  4. chatt_town

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    Tellem moonbat...."what chu saiiiiiid" :) Some of these people are the type of panzys you don't want your girl to be playing mixed with. They probably also wouldn't retaliate when a male player is head hunting their female partner. Then he'll just explain to you that your girl has to walk around with fuzz in her eye for the rest of her life because it is part of the game.


     
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    Is there anything that bothers you regarding how your opponent warms up
    his serves? For example, if he cranks some flat serves into the service
    box but into your body (serves that are in), would that tweak you a little?

    Some people just hit 1/2 speed serves to warmup. Some go full throttle.

    How about when your opponent warms up volleys, do you mind if he hits
    a few drop shots as well?
     
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    Well, before the league match started, it came time to warm up serves. and apparently

    After I have had enough warm up serves and my opponent still wants to hit a few dozen more, I start returning the practice serves.

    I do not consider it to be bad manners but tacking too many practice serves is.
     
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    My point is that it is obvious that, based on your attitude, you are compensating for some deficiency - could be either a weak game or some other issue?

    It is ironic that you are now spouting "the Code" about returning serves in warmup at the same time as you espouse intentionally hitting at the head of your opponents - behavior decidedly against the code...
     
  8. sam_p

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    Or maybe I'm the type of person who doesn't lose my head over petty little stuff like you seem to. Can I suggest a little anger management training?
     
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    No, none of that bothers me. If he hits drops shots during warmup it's just going to take that much longer for him to warm his volleys up. If he cranks out serves during warmup that are 120 I just get out of the way and let them go to the fence. If you are doing something that I don't care for that effects my warm up, I will just warm up with my partner if we are playing doubles and if it is singles, I generally just deal with it. It's not the end of the world. :)


     
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    That's funny... :) A few dozen practice serves?lol


     
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    O please dude...save that for your children...you know just as well as I do that there is a time and place for everything. Everyone has weaknesses...including yourself. You got it all wrong. I don't start any nonsense. I just don't put up with any. If you are telling me that you've never been in a match where you had to not only protect yourself or retaliated from someone head hunting then you haven't played any tennis for long. If you have and let it go on, then I surely hope you don't play mixed. Your woman would sooner or later really get it put to her and I don't know any woman that would want to be on the court with a man that allowed nonsense to go on. An person banging out service returns while I'm warming up could get my say female partner tagged just as they can be tagged. You obviously don't have a problem with it and would allow it.

    I do have a problem with it and will again...let you know...now if you continue then you again deal with comes your way. So the ethics and code go out the window the minute you start acting a fool on the court with me and if the truth be told 99 percent of the people here will act the same. You can post on here what sounds American and great but when you get on the court, I dare to say that you wouldn't put up with it either. Has nothing to do with how strong or weak my game is. On any given day I kick very strong player's butts and on other days I lose to people that can't play worth a damn. So this has nothing to do with my game...it has everything to do with respect you do or don['t show me when you come on the court.




     
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    Nope..you sure can't and I hope you aren't a doctor because you have certainly over analyzed this.lol Anyone that knows me will tell you that I'm the same on the court when I lose 0 and 0 as I am when I win a match. I could care less about about winning and losing...but if you are there to be disrespectful...you are going to have a long day. :) I'd like to suggest a class of reading comprehension for you since we are making suggestions my friend.

     
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    I see where he is coming from. Its like in baseball. Retaliation is necessary sometimes. The occasional head hunt and a hand up to signal apology I will usually let slide, but when I start getting the feeling they are hunting it is game on. Similar to baseball and plunking batters.
     
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    Nope, just a normal guy that doesn't put up with any nonsense. Pretty much like other normal people. So...now that I've answered that...what kind of guy are you? :)

     
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    Bingooooooo....I played baseball this happened from time to time. It's normally done in baseball as in tennis to test the waters, when they see blood in the water they keep on doing it, but most once they see you aren't having it, they stop. I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to put up with nonsense. Tennis for me is a place to relax or have fun whether I'm winning or losing.


     
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    I'm curious what you interpret as "blood in the water"? So if a person returns the ball hard at your partner in doubles that's head hunting? Now that is nuts. If the person at the net doesn't want the ball hit at them, don't stand at the net. Simple as that. It is part of tennis to hit at the net man at times, in particular in mixed doubles. Again, I am led to suspect that you must not play at a high level, if my partners in mixed doubles thought I was upset at people hitting at them they'd think I was being an idiot. They want the ball hit at them...to win points.
     
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    Actually by your description you do "start nonsense". In your mind someone returning your serves during warmup is reason to headhunt. You said it, not me...
     
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    save it dude. A "high" level? please...I watched the open level at the TVOC and saw people getting balls rifled at them after the woman had her wrist swolen with a man coming off the ground hitting a ball at her...even saw women hitting at men. So don't give me the "high level" speech. It goes on in all parts of tennis. or maybe you know a level in adult tennis higher than open...if so please explain...Since you need to have everything broken down to you...let me explain.
    There is hitting to the net person and then there is trying bust a person up that is for the most part caught in a bad position(a high sitting forehand...and overhead with both players at the net)...you know the drill. There are some people that take those balls and rifle them at you not just to get the point but to intimidate. So when the other people do it we just need to get back...now how much sense does that make to you. That's exactly what blood in the water is. You would get back to baseline basically letting them know to "have it your way". I'm trying to figure out why is okay for them to hit at my netman but I can't hit at theirs? You care to explain your rationale? Again...lets not play stupid here. I'm not talking about you hitting a ball from the baseline at the net person. So it's okay for someone else to crank overheads at the net person but I shouldn't do it back when I get the chance? Explain yourself a little here so we can get on the same page because right now....you're in right field without a glove on this one. I think you are trying to draw up bs conclusions to make your point...but you aren't making much sense right now. Please this high level low level nonsense out of it. That's nonsense. Everyone has been subject to to this type of play at all levels. I've seen 4.5 women crying because they were hit at at the net...You'll say well she wasn't 4.5...whatever. If I stand you at the net and have a guy with 2 feet in the service box crank one at you and you just say.."o well...I just need to get back"...man...screw that...the first chance I get, I'm coming at you...harddddd....:) and most people here will and I'm thinking if you really play at such a "high" level...you will to. You can post all this "the right thing to do" nonsense here but people know better dude. save it.



     
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    No...you didn't get it so let me say it again..."a person rifling my practice serves back and then I ask you not to yes...that will get you plunked or at the very least hit at". So yes...don't start none...won't be none...I don't think that's too much to ask.


     
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    There's only one person who comes off as if playing doubles is a cage match around here. I am saying that hitting at the net player, hard, is a perfectly reasonable and legit strategy in doubles at a level where people are expected to be able to handle pace. There are people who don't like that and they shouldn't be playing competitive doubles, or they should stay back.

    You are mistaken if you think that having the ball hit at you when you are at the net is a sign of aggression, it is strategic and the way to make the person who does it pay is to cost them points, not show them that you are flustered and start whacking balls at them - sure way to lose and to lose your cool.

    You can continue to spout your belligerent eye for an eye rubbish all you want but you just come off as a tool.
     
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    Please don't feed the troll.
     
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    Nah...you are full of it dude. You are trying to paint the picture of if someone else does it it is part of the game but if I do it...then I'm wrong...you call it what you want....everyone on here if the truth be told knows the difference and will act accordingly. That does not include especially in a men's match getting back to the baseline. So, at what level are people expected to be able to volley and protect themselves in your opinion? Like I told you before...I don't do anything to anyone on the court unless you start it. I intend for everyone to leave the match physically the same way that they came. That is the ultimate goal in my opinion....but if your mission is to come out and screw with me because your life is jacked up or whatever, it's not going to happen without you paying a price for it. So you can dress up you hitting at people as part of the game if you want or take what I said out of context if you wish.

    Bottom line is though if you come out with some bs you will get it back double fold. I'll give you my favorite example....I'm at a Ga state a while back. I'm playing 7.0 mixed. I'm playing with a female that had been playing tennis for about 6 mo or so. I honestly didn't even know her before we stepped on the court and had to get her name. It was very apparent in warm up that she couldn't hit more than one ball in the court. The woman on the other side wasn't a world class player either but she was much much better than the woman. The guy was a typical 4.0 player as was I. It was pretty much obvious or I thought it was that she would get all the balls hit at her and we would be off the court in about 35 minutes.

    Well as soon as the match starts the guy comes off the ground and hit like 3 straight balls at me at the net as my partner kept leaving balls hanging...the entire court was open but he chose to hit them at me rather than just take the point. It was so obvious what was going on that my partner was shaking like a leaf and was scared to death. She asked me as she tried to hand me a ball(dropped it before she could give it to me as her nerves were bad). "is he going to stop doing that"....I replied calmly..."no...he will stop as soon as his partner serves"....well when she starter serving...I told my partner to just watch her alley. I'm on the ad side...so she serves to me...I chip it short back in her alley...she comes in and opens up her head of her raquet and I come to the middle and wait for it..she pops it up and....kabooom...right off his shoulder and into the trees. second time she serves to me...she hits the ball short and to the T...I smoke it by him...and he never even got his raquet up....of course he wanted to stop and hit everything cross court after that as to basically call a truce or whatever...nahh screw that. The match was theirs for the taking before all that. Funny thing is we ended up winning the match like 2 and 3 or something.

    The woman that I played with husband was in the stands and actually thanked me for basically protecting his wife while on court. I told him my wife also plays tennis and I wouldn't allow her to be on the court with a man that allowed people to play like that unchecked. Again, I came there to relax and had even came to the notion of we probably wouldn't win the match. My woman stopped them from serving one time to ask me could they be in the position they were in(Australian). She was that new to the sport. So when I'm on the court my first and foremost job is to protect the woman(if mixed) that I'm playing with...not to hold up some bs tradition of tennis. Everyone doesn't play like that. Women have respected that about me the entire time I've played. anyone who knows me will tell you that I'm fun to play with but I don't put up with bs on the court. You can describe me as a tool or whatever but if you ever come on the court on the other side and play with respect you will get nothing but respect back from me. It's never that serious to me. Again...I'm just not going to put with any nonsense. again....don't start none...won't be none. :)


     
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    Call me crazy, but it bothers me more when my opponent rips a service return during the match, because those count.
     
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    I know but during the warmup, it can really disrupt you so that you don't get a full service warmup which is crucial in getting out to a good start.
     
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    It's only a disruption if you allow it to be. Besides, you can use that to scout your opponent's return of serve. For instance, if he's ripping forehand returns, hit some serves to his backhand. If it's not as good as his forehand return, You know where to go with your serves.
     
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    Furthermore it's rude. Especially once you ask them not to do it. I can understand if some people don't think it's anything wrong with it but once you've been asked not to do it and you do it...that is a problem.


     
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    If you ask them not to do it, you're letting them know that it bothers you, which makes them more inclined to keep doing it. As I'm sure you know, there's much more gamesmanship at our level than there is with the guys who play for millions of dollars on TV.
     
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    I am not so sure about that. I suspect that at the top it is just much more subtle.

    Tennis is about hitting a ball over the net and within the lines but I think the mental aspect is also important especially when the stakes are high.
     
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    That's true to. It is what it is...


     
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    Not where you play your 4.5 tennis lol. I play Open level tennis now and prior to that played D1. I have never had an opponent return my warm up serves. I've never seen anyone do it either.
     
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    Any player above 3.5 would know that you don't return warm up serves. I only serve kick serves during warm up anyway so it's not going to matter if some fool tries
     
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    All of this etosterone is out of control. Who cares if someone hits it back. Ignore them and get over it.
     
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    Werd

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    I think she meant estrogenterone.
     
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    That is good. Sounds like people you have played knew better than to do some dumb stuff like that.


     
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    Same for Senior Age Group Tournaments. It probably happens in rec tennis because it's easier to return balls then to catch them on the racket. It takes some skill to stop balls not fumbling them around, having to clumsily chase them, and delaying your opponent from hitting his serves.

    Chatt town, you won this thread a long time ago.
     
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    I call BS on this, it is so routine that it isn't even worthy of thinking twice about for people to return serves during warmup.

    Anyone notice Bartoli returning Lisicki's serves during warmup...
     
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    Only in the TT Universe where facts and real life can be ignored and a belligerent poster who thinks headhunting is fine in doubles...

    I'll go right along continuing to return a few serves during warmup and expecting my opponents to do the same.
     
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    Great example, Bartoli, there's someone who gets along with others, especially her father and the the French Federation--yah, that's a pair I want to model my game on.
     
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    You are absolutely RIGHT! My universe and YOURS are absolutely different, enjoy your blackhole.
     
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    You are absolutely RIGHT! My universe and YOURS are absolutely different, enjoy your black hole.
     
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    That's exactly right.... He gets it. He's acting like he's never ran into some @$$holes before on the court. 4.5 my Arse.lol


     
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    No, this is the real world dude. For the record, I've never had anyone rifle my serves during warmup, but no one here is buying the "I'm 4.5 and I've never hit at anyone at the net for any reason ever" nonsense...is just not cutting it. Some may not like my choice of words but if you play 4.0 and up...you've gone at people at the net. You have played people that have tried to come at you at the net...so just give it it a break...no one here believes that nonsense. The way they hit the ball at 4.5(I've won several doubles tourneys at 4.5 so I know what's up)....it's apart of the game and in men's doubles most of the time it's not even thought about most of the time. It's the occasional butt wipe that thinks he's going to intimidate or just be an arsehole while on the court that has to be dealt with. If you are playing any real tennis...you've seen it and if you haven't seen it...then you need to stay in your little hole and keep playing there. I'd hate for you to get one whistled by you and get you all riled up...lol

     
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    Do you really not understand the difference between hitting a return at someone at the net and trying to injure them by headhunting? Intent is important here. I go at the person at the net tons, but am never trying to hit the person, I am trying to win the point. Conversely, I am thrilled when someone is stupid enough to try to go through me at the net...

    Your statement was that a person returning serves during warmups is a reason for you to headhunt, don't try to backtrack your BS. Going at the netman(woman) is nothing other than strategy, or at least that is the way it should be. You are the one who is into retaliation and aggression, and into seeing it in others all the time.

    I think you need to see someone for your anger issues, you seem to see reasons to retaliate against people all over the place.
     
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    no one forced them to stand at net. if they can't handle a return at them, please stand at the baseline. don't EVER blame the returner for head hunting as he/she is a LONG distance away.
     
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    That's the USUAL internet advice given by those who have anger issues themselves--it's called PROJECTION--I'm not a shrink, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
     
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    Played a match this weekend that reminded me of this thread.
    Opponent was trying to hit return 'winners' during warmup. I don't see that happen a lot at 4.5, but whatever... I had already warmed up with teammates previously, and I don't actually go for my serve in warmup anyway. So after a few of those I told him I've had enough serve warmup and that was that.
    Made no difference either way in the match itself. So I think people are making a big deal over nothing.
     
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    ^^^ i agree. it can be annoying, but just do YOUR thing if the opposition is not as accommodating as you might like.
     
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    Hmmm, your 2-bit psychoanalyzing plus $5 will get you a nice latte...
     
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    Throw in a sticky bun and I'll cure you.
     

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