How does Federer

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  1. bhallic24

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    run around his backhand on a second serve to crush the forehand return? anyone have insight on the footwork? I tried doing that last week against a friend of mine who wisely always serves to people's backhands nand ended up dumping probably 40% of the run arounds into the net. And ont he other 60%, they were not really "crushed" I'd say.

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  2. Netspirit

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    Stand further back and take a bigger cut. In order to crush anything from behind the baseline you need sufficient topspin, blocking a serve back (even a fast one) is not going to produce that.
     
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  3. TheCheese

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    Cross-over step to the left for the first move.
     
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  4. bhallic24

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    like a karoake step? ie. right foot crosses behind the left ?

    or like a hoppity hop step sideways?
     
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  5. SoBad

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    just learn to hit a backhand so you don't have to guess and run around like a headless chicken every time you return a serve
     
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  6. tennishotdog

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    yeh just learn a backhand. he can do it because hes federer
     
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  7. vil

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    Are you expecting step by step instruction how to return a serve with a run around forehand? OK, at the time your opponet serves, drop the racket, do a cartwheel that will put you in a side position, pick up the racket and return the ball with your forehand to an open court, while your server on the other side is still standing frozen in disbelieve.
     
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  8. bhallic24

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    i know how to hit a backhand. but as with the vast majorithy of ppl the forehand is much stronger. so whhy not use ur strength?
     
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  9. Phonco

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    I think it really depends on your read of the serve and when you commit to the forehand. It's almost like cheating to one side because its the positioning that really opens the way for the power/winner. You have to start moving moments before the server hits the ball. Specifically when the server takes his/her eyes off of you and looks at the ball (essentially right before he/she hits it). Anytime before that and you possibly reveal your intentions to your opponent and subsequently get burned.

    So, during that time take a few side steps toward your backhand and then make the usual split step when the server hits the ball. Another thing you could do is a split step with a bit of a lean toward the left to give you that extra bit of movement/positioning toward that side.

    If you want an accompanying video then here's this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FuRfOspXo&feature=related . In this you'll notice that Federer starts cheating to his backhand before the serve is hit by taking a few steps, then he leans toward that side, splits, positions and hits the forehand.

    If you want instruction on hitting it, then I'd say try to end the point with a winner by hitting as cleanly as possible. This is a really aggressive maneuver, so at a minimum hit to a really uncomfortable spot for your opponent. Otherwise, you'll be out of position and get burned. Personally, I'd aim for an inside-in forehand down the line. End the point by taking the quickest path to the fence (after bounce that is). If not, then my final advice would be to hit the ball right on the sweetspot. I think the combination of your swing + serve pace + sweet spot should at least give you a fairly pacey/aggressive shot to work with.
     
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  10. bhallic24

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    thank you. exactly what I was looking for. well explained.
     
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  11. anubis

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    He doesn't run around the ball. He floats.
     
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  12. NTRPolice

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    You guys are forgetting a big detail: the quality of the incoming serve.

    The reason why many players have trouble running around the serve is simply because the rec level serve doesnt bounce as high as a pro's one does. When your average rec player serves there isnt nearly as much spin on the ball and especially not on their second serves.

    So, what people do is stand closer...

    That actually makes it harder and limits your shots.

    If you just take the backhand on the rec level serve you're actually much better off in most cases.

    You can "cheat" in the box and stand extra wide, but you also dont want to get aced by a 60 mph serve that paints the T because you're standing way too close to the service box and way too wide because you're trying to play forehands.
     
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    Have you run around the backhand during a baseline rally? It is essentially the same footwork but you must have much better anticipation and footwork to do it properly off of a serve.
     
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    One thing he does, especially on second serves, is take off before the ball is struck so he can travel much farther than a Pro who reacts to a serve struck to their BH.
     
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    OP, realize that even for the mighty Federer this is a gamble. When he pulls it off its a thing of beauty, but sometimes he misses badly on that forehand, other times the opponent gets a racket on it and has the entire court to hit into because he's way off the court.
     
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  16. bhallic24

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    very true.
     
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  17. JRstriker12

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    IMHO - most players at the rec level don't have a lot of variety on the serve and second serves don't tend to have the same amount of pace - making it a good opportunity to occasionally step around and go for a big forehand.

    Not something you can do every serve, but it's worth it when they guy is sending 99.9% of the serves to your backhand and/or you're just not getting that backhand return in - you have to keep him honest or change things up.

    I've had to do something similar on lefty's who always go out wide to the Ad side.

    Besides, unless my opponent is just serving fire down the T - I usually cheat a little to my backhand side to present a smaller target for a backhand return. If your're already a step or two over, it's not that hard to run around a slower second serve.
     
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    :) That's exactly OP's question. He wants to know what do you do with your footwork...........:confused:
     
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  19. zapvor

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    oh no.......not this
     
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  20. SoBad

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    use both hands to hit the ball from the left, if you must...
     
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  21. zapvor

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    you are just upset you dont have the footwork to run around and hit inside out
     
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    now that i think of it, i am a troubled man with no feet or forehand
     
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    easy OP


















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  24. zapvor

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    i dont know about the forehand but you got pretty good feet.
     
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  25. SoBad

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    they need a foot massage in jackson heights:lol:
     
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  26. NLBwell

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    Didn't I see Jackie Chan do that?
     
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  27. zapvor

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    and karaokes that dont check id past midnight
     
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  28. SoBad

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    You’ve probably lost many nights of sleep over ruining the karaoke night, but that place is probably no good anyway. I still have not been upstairs, but places with western-style bouncers usually suck around there. The only way to find out for sure is to carry ID next time…;)
     
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  29. JRstriker12

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    Take 3 steps to the left??? Not rocket science IMHO...
     
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