How Fast Do You String?!

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by Tennis_Crazed, Aug 10, 2010.

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How FAST do you string (on average)

  1. Under 15 minutes

    11 vote(s)
    8.9%
  2. 20 minutes

    15 vote(s)
    12.2%
  3. 25 minutes

    11 vote(s)
    8.9%
  4. 30 minutes

    13 vote(s)
    10.6%
  5. 35 minutes

    15 vote(s)
    12.2%
  6. 40 minutes

    10 vote(s)
    8.1%
  7. 45 minutes

    17 vote(s)
    13.8%
  8. 50 minutes

    12 vote(s)
    9.8%
  9. 55 minutes

    5 vote(s)
    4.1%
  10. 60+ minues

    14 vote(s)
    11.4%
  1. Tennis_Crazed

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    All my fellow stringers out there....how fast do you string?

    I'm sure everyone can cut minutes off their time if they're 100% focused on going for the world record speed of stringing, but just wanted to know on average, what your stringing time would be...

    Please don't exaggerate! thank you!!!!
     
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  2. drakulie

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    If you are just talking about "stringing" in the sense of just putting the strings on an already mounted frame,,,,, then I'd say I average easily below 15 minutes.

    However, you need to take into account what type of frame and strings are being put it. Obviously on a microgel prestige mid (which is capped), and putting on poly or full natural gut, then the time would go up.

    On a more opened patterned frame, with an easier string to handle, the time would go way down.

    Easiest frame I have strung, that I could remember was a POG Mid with synthetic string, and it was most likely well under 10 minutes.
     
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  3. coyfish

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    A whole racquet in 10 minutes . . . hmmm
     
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  4. chaddles

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    No exaggeration there..................

    Anyway, we have a Babolat Sensor and Wilson Baiardo - I reckon the average time for me is around the 20 minute mark, but I do string everyday. I spent about 40 mins on a f'in Prince Approach 90 the other day that had half the grommets cracked, so I had to use tubing which took a bit of extra time.
     
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  5. autumn_leaf

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    i string on a gamma 602 fc (dropweight machine). i picked 45 min cause i usually string syn. gut. prolly around 60 min for poly. the time includes stringing and all the setup for the racquet (adjusting mounting, cutting string, looking up string pattern on klipper)
     
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  6. vndesu

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    depending on a racket, but roughly 30 mins on my gamma x5 stringer.
     
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  7. aimr75

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    i usually string on average between 20-25 minutes
     
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  8. THESEXPISTOL

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    40mins in my dropweight
     
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  9. Rabbit

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    I average around 20 minutes on a Neos with a Wise tension head. The Wise does speed things up considerably
     
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  10. jmverdugo

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    I timed my self the other day, on a dropweight machine, with the racquet mounted and the first piece of string cut it took me 20 minutes. It was Wilson hiperhammer 6.2 with synthetic gut.
     
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  11. diredesire

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    You need to establish benchmark "rules." AKA are we talking about installing strings ONLY? (pre mounted, strings removed) or the full job?

    I can average <20 minutes for full jobs (remove string, mount, string, straighten, remove frame) with no issues, but I've strung for several years for a D1 college team. Piles of 12-20 racquets that are due the next day helps speed tremendously ;)

    My record is 10:52 on a Prince Diablo OS with Prince Lightning (does not include removing string, includes mounting to straightening). I imagine I can go faster than that (for instance on a POG Mid), but I don't really go for speed runs very often. There comes a point where you're happy with your speed ;)
     
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  12. jazar

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    I average about 17 minutes, from removing the strings to removing the frame from the machine.

    I did a speed run today and broke my record, dropping it down to 9:35 on a POG mid in poly. That was actual stringing time though and didnt include cutting the old strings
     
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  13. vandre

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    well, my current time (cutting out the old stuff, prestretching [if i'm using syn gut or a nonpoly which i usually am], mounting the frame, string the mains and crosses) is about 60-70 min. on a 6 pt dropweight machine. i'm just stringing for my wife and i so speed isn't a big deal to me and i do it so infrequently it seems like sometimes i'm relearning things everytime i do it.

    do i get the snail award???
     
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  14. pvaudio

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    I usually average about 20-25mins on my own frames or ones I'm familiar with, about 25-35 on ones I've never done before. Done on SP Aria.
     
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  15. fuzzyballs

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    alittle under an hour here on a X2... my ADD kicks in and the TV is usually on!
     
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  16. drakulie

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    Please read what I actually wrote, and more importantly, try to comprehend it. I said, "Easiest frame I have strung, that I could remember was a POG Mid with synthetic string, and it was most likely well under 10 minutes."

    This means, that as far as I know, it was under 10 minutes. It doesn't mean *IT WAS* under 10 minutes. I don't sit there and time myself every time I string a frame. The particular instance I was talking about was one time stringing at a tournament, and stringing a POG Mid. All I remember is that it was very fast, and someone there told me that they couldn't believe I had just strung the frame in 10 minutes.

    One more thing, I don't consider myself a professional stringer, nor do I have the advantage of stringing 15+ frames a day at a tennis shop, 5 days a week, which equals out to hundreds of frames a month. Obviously, these type of stringers have an immense amount of practice getting into rythms, habits, and develop extremely smooth and fast weaving, which I don't. That said, I was still able to string a POG Mid in 10 minute and 40 seconds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvx7_o7nClQ



    Now for the others who are interested. In string speed contests,

    they don't bother putting the string around a diablo, as I did
    they don't fan the string as I did, rather just pull it thru as fast as they can,
    they don't straigthen strings as the tension head pulls, as I did
    and they most likely have the tension head speed set at fast ( I had mine on medium).

    if I were to have done what they do in string speed contests, my time would have surely been under 10 minutes. And NO, I'm not a Professional stringer.
     
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  17. David123

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    Wow Drak, you string very quickly :p
     
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  18. drakulie

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    actually, **FAST** is guys at the string speed contest who have to, if memory serves, mount, take strings out of the packet, string, and then dismount the frame. Those guys weaving technique and how smoth they are is sick. I believe the winner a few years ago did it in about 8 and a half minutes.

    (don't burn me at the stake if I'm off on the time, Coyfish and others)

    BUt like I said, they also don't fan, put string around diablo, and most-likely have the machine set on fast pulls (although I'm not sure). I'm also unsure what the tension is set at, which would obviously make a difference as a lower tension would mean the tension head is reaching tension faster. I set mine at 55.
     
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  19. rich s

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    I upgraded from my 602FC w/wise to a 6004 w/wise last week.... my second stick took me 23 minutes..... as opposed to 35+ minutes...
     
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  20. PimpMyGame

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    45 minutes with a beer, radio on and maybe a chat with one of the kids if they venture into my shed. Can do it in 30 minutes but I'm never in a hurry, so that's why it takes 45 minutes.
     
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  21. origmarm

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    45 or so on a dropweight. 30 or so on a crank/electric. I'm including everything here i.e. cutting out to taking the racquet off. I'm also assuming people are not "cheating" here i.e double pulls etc... I can't imagine getting it under 20 or so and doing a quality job, but then I'm not a pro stringer...

    EDIT: Racquet is almost always a MGPMP with full poly. Reckon I can take 5m off using another string maybe...
     
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  22. schap02

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    Drak's a good guy, give it a rest already...
    The only stringing competition I have seen was a basic ProStaff frame 16 x 18 pattern - Full 16G textured poly....stringer couldn't touch racquet until the timer started - mounting - cutting strings - ect...fastest time was like 9:30 or something close to that - Anyways - I believe what Drak was referring to in his stringing time was simply installing the strings, not including all the mounting dismounting ect...
     
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  23. schap02

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    Thoroughly disappointed in your switch between stringers...
    How do you like the Wise on the 6004 compared to our other set-up...?

    How often do you clean your clamps on the Gamma, my clamps are starting to give me fits, might be time to change the springs or something?
     
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  24. MAX PLY

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    In Drak's defense, he did mention that the frame was a POG Mid--only 14 mains if I recall correctly and no shared holes. Probably the easiest frame in the history of the game to string. In my younger days, I used to work as a stringer for a mail order tennis discounter (like a TW only far more primative). In those days, POG overs and mids were very popular and we would zoom through them pretty quickly when stringing with nylon or some other synthetic -4 or 5 per hour (and I would add, we (there were 5 stringers) would divy up the frames so that a stringer would do several of the same frame so as not to have to adjust the machine (Ektelon Fs, if I recall correctly) as much). Other frames like Pro Staffs, 200gs, and F200s took a bit longer. Likewise, gut or other softer strings took a bit longer.

    These days, I don't string for speed and pretty much only string my own frames (BLX 95s)--using NXT or gut--usually takes me 20 minutes or so (but I have had 35 years or so of practicing my weaving and arthritis has not yet set in (in my hands at least).
     
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  25. esgee48

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    Just stringing my own racquets with syn gut, about 30 mins on a dropweight. The whole deal from checking grommets, yada, yada, to dismount, add another 10 minutes. Of course, if I'm watching TV and having a beer while stringing, add another 30 minutes.
     
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  26. SirGounder

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    45 minutes is my average - cutting, measuring, mounting, etc.
     
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    Sorry to disappoint.... you'll understand when you get your Star 5. ;)

    I ordered the Wise Gamma adapter when I ordered the machine. It sets up a straight pull just like that on the 602FC/Wise with our adapter.... no complaints at all.

    The machine works great..... It has the smaller 4 tooth clamps, spring bases and self centering mounts....it's like upgrading from a Chevy to a Cadillac....Still learning the nuances of the machine..... I'm sure I will be able to maintain the sub 25 minute string jobs as I get even more familiar with it....

    What's giving you fits about the 602FC clamps? Mine were the red ones, I think you have the black ones. I would clean them occasionally with tooth brush and alcohol..... and adjust them tight enough to hold a multi while trying to minimize ghosting, but never any problems.....
     
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  28. RogerRacket111

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    Why the need for speed? I like to get the job done right. I still average about an hour. Each pull and clamp matters for a quality job. I only string my own racket though.

    There should be a measure for quality also rather than just speed.
     
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  29. diredesire

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    Wasn't the absolute fastest racquet done <8 minutes? I'm not positive as to what that includes.

    Also consider the POG Mid vs a standard frame, speed contests are going to have standardized frames, the Wilson speed contest (IIRC in 2007) used 16x18 6.1s, drak is stringing a 14x18, not only is it less mains to weave, it's also less mains to weave across, speeding up the crosses. The POG Mid is ridiculously easy to string. Couple that with a soft synthetic, I could see <10 minutes relatively easily, especially if not including cutting/mounting/decoiling.
     
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  30. onehandbh

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    I think the fastest I did was a little under 20 minutes.
    usually closer to 30 minutes.

    Drak, just saw your video. How do weave so fast? Your
    fingers must have sandpaper-like traction at the tips.
     
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  31. rich s

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    When you weave one ahead the previous cross separates the strings so that it is extremely easier to weave as Drak demonstrates......
     
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  32. AR15

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    I average 30 minutes,

    AND I average 50 minutes.:???:
     
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  33. Lakers4Life

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    I'm curious why did it take longer on the older machine, when basically they are the same setup. But after reading you reply to schap it was because you had the older 602FC clamps.

    I average about 30 mins, removing old string, cleaning, mounting, measuring, stringing (20 mins) and straightening. Though when I get mutiple rackets that are the same model, it's much faster stringing.
     
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  34. Lakers4Life

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    I strung a Head iS.12 in about 10 mins while taking my time. I probably could of strung it faster, if I were in a hurry. It's got a wide 14x 18 pattern.
     
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  35. tennisman917

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    ive done a wilson nblade 98 18x20 pattern in 20 mins on the gamma x-2 just now
     
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  36. star 5 15

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    i string mainly my own personal racquets and usually do around 17-18 minutes on the average racquet like a pure drive or something. My racquets are the Pure Storm LTD's 18x20 pattern strung with alu rough at 26kg. On my racquets when I'm really trying to shell them out I usually average about 22-23 minutes with mounting uncoiling and everything except cutting strings out and checking grommets. The fastest frame I've timed was a POG mid strung wtih synthetic at like 55. It was about two years ago and I think it was about 10 minutes 45 seconds. That was with the racquet mounted and the string cut from the reel with it on the ground.
    And BTW my racquets are the biggest pain in the @ss of anything i've ever strung with my setup the way it is. yes i think it tops lux original rough in a prestige mid capped.
     
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  37. mikeler

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    I'd be curious of my time on a high end machine. Takes me about a minute per string after the racket is mounted and string lengths are cut.
     
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  38. coachrick

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    I'll chime in...PG 90, PSG original 16, Prince P200 machine(yuck!), frame mounted, string unpackaged but not uncoiled,>>> tie-offs cut and strings straightened= 8 minutes-forty seconds. Didn't know we were going for time until I was about to start. Got a 'challenge' and took off. Interestingly, there were a number of 'idiosyncratic' movements I make that waste time...old habits die hard! Also, the P200 was a dinosaur the day it was introduced...some of the worst clamps in history.

    No need to be sloppy to string quickly...just cut out the wasted movements. I would 'never' sacrifice quality for speed. More time does not necessarily mean higher quality.

    I doubt I string anything in much under 20 minutes, now. Those days are behind me! ;)
     
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  39. Lakers4Life

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    That's about 35 mins (+/- 5 mins).
     
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  40. rich s

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    With the self centering mounts, a single knob to tighten both arms on each mount, smoother, quicker action clamps that are smaller and easier to fit between strings and mounts, quick action bases and bearing mounted turntable everything about the 6004 is easier and quicker......

    By far the greatest time savings is the quick action clamp bases vs the large wing nut clamp bases, the second greatest time saver is the self-centering mounting system vs individually moving and tightening each mount base then the center supports and each of the four arms/supports.

    I'm not easily impressed and I realize it isn't a STAR 5, but this thing ROCKS.....
     
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  41. Lakers4Life

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    I have the same setup, and it's comparable to a Star 5. Though if you think about it a Star 5 is an entry level Babolat machine. I'd rather have a Prince 6000 for the price. I'm curious, did Babolat ever make a manual machine?

    I do have an Issue with mounting Babolat Aero Pro Drive (et. al) racket on my 2-point mounts at the yoke.
     
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  42. rich s

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    Don't know if Bab ever made a crank....

    I got the SC 6 point for the reason you describe with the APD..... I was concerned about mounting issues with frames that have unique shapes
     
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  43. drakulie

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    Thanks guys. :)


    I actually wish I was faster/smoother. But as I said, I don't string 15 racuets a day, so it is hard to improve on.

    During tournaments however, I do find that I get faster as the day goes on. Especially when I get to string 2 or 3 of the same frames back to back. In the video, I was using some crappy string I had laying around (don't even know what it was) and it was slick, so it was actaully hard to get a good grip on it, as you could see in the video a few times.

    Great post.

    These "wasted movements" you speak of, are little things that make pro stringers so fast. They just don't have hardly any wasted movements. They have learned over the years to limit and/or get rid of unecessary "steps" while one is stringing.
     
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  44. Rabbit

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    Well hell, let me add my two cents on the Prince Graphite Mid. I owned some for a time and sold them to a friend of mine who I also string for.

    He plays PSG Original at 65. These are the absolute easiest and fastest racquets to string and I can get one done in under 20 minutes. I've never timed myself, but I would guess my best time would be in the 17 minute range.

    So, in the immortal words of Tonto "Drak no lie"
     
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  45. mtommer

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    Man, you guys who can string in 30 min...I'm jealous. I still haven't gotten my time down below a couple of hours. I do use a Klippermate and I find the majority of time I'm trying to get the drop bar to settle and stop at level (or close to it per the 1 1/2 inch instruction).
     
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    I've done it a few times in about 15 minutes once upon a time, in my prime... (no shortcuts)
     
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  47. RogerRacket111

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    I'm just trying to understand why the need for speed?

    ->Is it because you guys are pros and can make more money by stringing more?
    ->Or you can get out the door and play some tennis?
    ->Just plain I'm faster than you like doing a puzzle

    I string only for myself and find it to be a relaxing activity that I want to take time and do it right.
     
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  48. onehandbh

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    ^^^ I don't try to string as fast as I can, but I have a busy life
    so prefer to spend a minimal amount of time stringing.
     
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  49. mtommer

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    -Bingo. I personally find stringing an inconvenience. I will say also that those guys that are "fast" ARE doing the job right.
     
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  50. pvaudio

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    Was watching a Top Gear stringing up my stick with NRG2 18 and ended up breaking two sets because I was pulling the string too fast. I started the timer before mounting and after unstringing and remeasuring out three sets for the mains, I ended up finishing in 39 mins, so I'd say that my estimate of 25mins with non-fragile string is accurate.
     
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