How fast do you think the top players could run a 5k?

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  1. LittleTinGoddess

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    Without additional training, that is. We all know they have wheels and great cardio fitness. I'm guessing they could run 18:00 or 17:00 even though they don't distance run for training.

    Look at Ferrer and Murray; they have the physique of a guy who can run 17:00.

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    Ten years ago my best was around 16.52 minutes on 5 km's and not even 100% prepared so i guess the top guys must be inbetween 16 and 17 minutes easy considered how fit they are...
     
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    What does that mean exactly?

    I'd seriously doubt either of these guys could sustain 5:28 pace.

    http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/4/4_1/96.shtml

    I'd be surprised if they could do better than 20:00 or 6:30 pace.
     
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    You can't tell by looking at someone's physique. I used to have a similar fat level and height as Murray in that picture, and I once ran a mile in under 8 minutes - believe it or not.

    A man's sprint time in the 100 meters is more relevant to tennis than the ability to run a 5K at good time. Tennis points, even at the professional level, are more like jumping rope a little and then shuttle sprinting back and forth. Distance running isn't very relevant to tennis except to the extent that it develops cardio endurance.
     
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    Well you must have been a pretty good runner to do that with little preparation. I know a lot of people who ran cross country in high school that trained all year round specifically for 5k races. A 16:52 would have put you in the upper half of a very strong cross coutry high school team. I know guys that ran cross country in college at the D2 and D3 levels that had times slower than that in high school.
     
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  6. goober

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    Pretty much this ^^^

    Running times on this board sometimes goes the same ways benchpress claims are made. Having a muscular physique in no way will predict your ability in a long distance run. In fact if you were really muscular I would predict your times would not be that great because you probably didn't spend much time on cardio. I have seen a lot of fit looking guys who ran 7-9 minute miles.
     
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    Probably more due to lactic acid threshold. They have the conditioning to run a fast 5k but have not trained to withstand the greater levels of lactic acid that build up in that heart rate range for long periods of time.
     
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    It's called Photoshop... hahaha
     
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    I was thinking the same thing myself. 5:30 pace for a 5K is pretty good. The guy must be a natural. Who knows, maybe Murray and Ferrer are too?
     
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    With all the running the players do on the court, I'm guessing their legs and heart are in good enough shape to do the times I mentioned if they're also lightweight enough. Nadal would probably be too bulky to pull it off.
     
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    Well, "not even 100% prepped" is very vague. I did recently run 16:44 on only 15 mpw running (and a lot of cycling).
     
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    Well, the strange thing is that there were two guys before me, i was only the 3th best time that day. These guys were from an athletic club and trained probably every day, i played a lot of tennis that time and ran only a few times a week but i was very fit though i went very deep that day.


    needless to say it took me a couple of days to recover...
     
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    If you already knew the answer, why did you bother asking?
     
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    i'd say most top 50-100 guys can run a 5k in 18 or under, would be surprised if they couldnt.
    i can run a 20:00 on a hungover morning without even training so YES these guys can easy IMO

    once new a guy that never practiced only should up for races, usually late, always smoking cigs and could run 15 flat...with jean shorts

    looking at someone means nothing
     
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  16. r2473

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    Wow!!!

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    Ferrer is remarkably fit, so I don't doubt he'd be a decent 5k runner. I'm not a distance runner, so I don't know what a really good time is.

    I know Ferrer runs, because I saw him and Lopez jogging once as I pulled into the big grass parking area behind the stadium at Indian Wells. But he certainly just seemed to be doing a little exercise and wasn't doing a 5 minute pace mile.

    I believe we can say with certainty that most professional tennis players would do better in the 5k than most amateur athletes. Even if they don't run distance, there's a lot of cardio developed during the daily tennis practices.
     
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    [waiting for LeeD to post how he ran a sub-15 5k in junior high school wearing combat boots with one broken leg]
     
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    Agreed, a 16:52 is a great time and indicates that you are a top runner. I ran XC for two years and was in great shape and my best time was around 18:10 (now I can do about 21). Guys who were running under 17 were probably in the top 5% of high school runners.
     
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    It depends a lot on the course as well. A flat 5k is much different than the typical cross country course with lots of hills. Some courses had such long steep hills that the course records were in the 17s. I remember I ran over 20 that race and placed well.
     
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    Amazing!

    Comparing what these guys do with HSers is ridiculous. Runners keep improving into their 30's. I wouldn't be surprised it a guy like Ferrer was easily in the 16's.
     
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    Long distance runners can keep improving into their 30s. ATP players are not training for long distance running. So they don't fall into this category. I am sure there are maybe handful of guys that could run in the 16s with no training. There would be a lot more if they actually trained for the event. You really think someone like Isner or Delpo could even break 18 minutes? But I am sure there would be a lot more guys who could bench 250 if they started training for that as well.

    Comparing them to high school runners is not ridiculous. Should you compare them to adult long distance runners? IF you lined up the top 100 high school distance runners to run a 5k against the top 100 ATP players, the best tennis player would finish in 101st place.
     
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  23. jhhachamp

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    A good sensible post, I agree!
     
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    Learn to quit while you're not even started. At least get your story or your English under control first.
     
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    I...don't know about that.

    In fact I highly doubt it.

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    You obviously have never done any competitive running or have any concept of elite levels of competition.

    In 2011 the #100 best 5k time runner in high school ran a 15:20.

    Keep in mind this was a cross country race not straight track so the times are actually higher than they would be on a track. The guy who ran this 15:20 ran a 4:10 1600 meters (mile equivalent) IF anybody on the planet can run a 4:10 mile without any training, they have a future in the olympics.

    Exactly who among the ATP can run that fast? If you think it is that easy go out and run a 5k and let me know your time. The average 5k time for athletic adult males is close to 30 minutes. The difference between 15:20 and 16-17 minutes is HUGE. If you beat someone by that much time they would be so far behind you that on most cross country courses if you turned around you would not even be able to see them. A pro tennis player beating an elite level high school cross country runner in a long distance race is about as likely as a 5 star tennis player losing a tennis match to a professional runner.
     
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    How sure of that are you?

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    I'm pretty sure the top guys could go sub 17 no problem, the story was that Ivanesevic could regularly win the 10K race that was held in his town.
     
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    Think the Murraker and Ferrerai could run sub 20min no problemo...well documented they both run a bit, Ferrer it's been said has gone for a run after a match. fwiw my best Xcountry time was at a sectional meet on a golf course with some downgrades, @ 18:30, ran 3rd or 4th on the team my 1st and only yr. We had 2 guys ran 16min best times,one ran in college. Takes me 30+mins now 30yrs later:0
     
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    Running is easy, running competitive times in any race requires specific training. Training Specificity says that while training for one thing may improve another, you will never improve as quickly nor to the same maximum degree as someone who focuses. Also it is interesting to note that the top high school times of today are better than the olympic times run in the 1950s and 60s training protocols in high school more closely resemble professional runners. Goober is probably right, the top runners would beat most if not all of the tennis players.
     
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    I bet Murray can break 20. Just read about his workouts. They are very run oriented and seem a lot more taxing than a 5k.
     
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    Dude, I can break 20 with no training or practice beforehand.

    I am a 30 year old car mechanic, never-was tennis player, and wasn't fast enough to even count in the scoring of my cross country team.

    Murray is an elite athlete, one of the 5 best in the world, saying you bet he could break 20 min is like saying you bet he could break 100mph with his serve.

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    Yea 20 is not the measure that I would use, 18 is a bit tougher but I ran 17:15 last year with only a couple months of training. The top high school athletes are much faster than that.
     
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    Yup- The top high school runners run in the low 14s on a cross country course. Some of them could might be able to break 14 minutes on a straight track but 5k is not contested in T & F in high school. A lot of people who don't run really don't have the concept of times. Someone who runs a 5k in 15:01 is in a completely different class of runner than someone who runs a 15:59. It is like the difference between a 5.0 and 6.0 tennis player. They may look the same from outward appearances, but they are totally different levels in reality. You can shave off a minute running when you are running 5ks 20s and 30s pretty easily. Once you get to the top winning a race by minute is a HUGE difference.
     
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  35. LeeD

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    I'd think any of the top 200 player's who run for a living (play baseline tennis) can run a mile under mid 5's, but few would get into the highest 4's because they don't specialize in running.
    For Beernutz, I never was a long distance runner, so higher 5's the best, in college. CC class had us running 6 miles for the gym period of one hour. I always finished and took a shower before hustling to the next class. As you know, periods are on hour total.
     
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    18 then. Regardless, my point is I think the man can run a strong 5k time.
     
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    I'd be lucky to break 20 minutes for one mile today. Having NOT run more than 10 steps in the last 4 years, and the resulting atropy of the legs, has me wondering if I could WALK a mile faster than trying to run it.
     
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    17 min is a great.. great time. I bet 90% of people here that say the they ran 5k in 17 min..are full of BS
     
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    Agreed, but if we looked at the fitness of a Murray/Nadal/DJ/Hewitt, it's not really that far fetched.
    Don't think DelPo can run a mile under highest 5's. Nor would Monfils be inclinded to try that hard. Querrey would die, and Isner barely hanging in there at low 6's.
    Can Ferrer run it less than lowest 5's?
     
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    hello

    Jolly, how is your health ie back and shoulder and wrist? r u going to play10-12 touraments for 2013 and get a top ranking or r u retired? I checked your results for last year only one event with a first round loss and a overall record of 20-47 going back to 2003 not too bad. I checked out 2 of my friends records and they killed it over the past ten years 281-125 and 153-44 wow!!

    PS:Build any engines and or cars and race them at E-Town?
     
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    When I was racing motocross back in the late '70's and early '80's, I trained by surfing and hijinxing while taxi driving.
    We'd run a 4.7 mile loop around LakeMerced around 38 minutes. The fast guys around 30.
     
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    I'll take that bet. A sustained 6:30 pace over 3 miles is not as easy as you might think. Sign up for a 5K and show us your time in the race results.

    http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/4/4_1/96.shtml

    Not one person on this thread can run a 17:00 5K (5:30 pace).

    Why don't we all run a 5K in the next week and post our times. Anyone up for the challenge?

    Most of you guys are claiming to be "advanced" and even "elite" (without even training at all). We must have a very large group of genetically superior "outliers" that are participating in this thread.

    http://www.ehow.com/info_8763985_competitive-5k-time.html

    As for tennis professionals, I'd be surprised if many of them could break 20:00. Perhaps some of the high mileage tennis training athletes (I'm thinking Ferrer) could approach 18:00, but I wouldn't bet on it.

    What makes me laugh most is that I've been advocating for years that people should run more distance type training at ever increasing paces to build a solid cardio base, and I've been consistently shot down. But now I see it all clearly. You guys don't need to train this way, because most of you can break 20:00 5K times without without training at all. With a little training (maybe a month or two?) you guys are cranking out 18:00 and even 17:00 minute 5K's.

    Where the hell where these amazing athletes when I was growing up and in high school / college? Heck, I remember running with a kid on one of the professional soccer teams in Frankfurt, and he couldn't even stay with me on my 6:30 - 6:45 training runs.

    The only guy with any idea of reality on this thread is Goober (and Magmaster). But I want to see Jolly crank out that 20:00 5K tomorrow.
     
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    How much?

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    Whatever you want.

    20:00 5K is only doable if you've been doing some training (or are just very, very athletically gifted in distance running, and I'm willing to bet you aren't or someone would have wanted spotted you and developed you when you were younger).

    How are we going to verify your time?

    I want this run in the next few days (no training or practice beforehand).
     
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    Well you know my name and all my chip times are recorded on flrrt.com every time my mother ropes me into doing one against my will, so the next one instead of jogging the first mile or so with her in 10ish minutes until the pack thins out I will start at the front and lay down whatever time we make the bet for.

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    For the record, as I near 40 years of age, I can't run a 20:00 5K. And I used to be able to run a 16:00 5K, 15 years ago, and I still run ~20 miles a week and play tennis 2-3 times per week (and can outlast most anyone on the court from a cardio perspective).

    To run 16:00, I had to train just like the link indicates. 50+ mile training weeks for several years with lots of "strength" running as well. It was hard (at least it was for me).

    http://www.ehow.com/info_8763985_competitive-5k-time.html

    7-minute pace would be a good goal for me these days.
     
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    I actually don't know your name, but I'm willing to take the bet.

    Is 20:00 going to be the goal time or do you want to shoot for a faster time?
     
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    Wow!! Being able to do a 5:30 pace with little training is very impressive. You must have a large cardio base from playing soccer?
     
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    http://flrrt.com/events.html

    Next race is in 6 days.

    Just need to make sure it doesn't conflict with a mixed match.

    I would chose a more challenging time than 20 min if the race wasn't in January, but that should be good.

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    I may have understated the training i worked my butt off. I was testing out the hr training concept and was logging a lot of miles. Today? Maybe i could do sub 20, it would hurt a lot.
     
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