how fast is this serve

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  1. lzclzclzc

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  2. AJK1

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    You can't measure foot faults. That's really slack technique my friend, you should stamp that out ASAP.
     
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    The person that filmed the video is very annoying and doesn't know how to keep a steady hand.
     
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    it's funny how this guy pops up every now and then. he's actually a member on these boards. his id is Yondan...i think he said he serves around 110s or something liek that. i believe he also said he's playing for some D3 college this year
     
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    do u know where?
    DIII so he's around 4.5-5.0?
     
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    its not a video of me
     
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    Probably around 100mph. The important question is how often does it go in? In a match I mean

    And yes very annoying camera work, I would also prefer not to see any close ups of you :(
     
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    That looks faster than 100mph to me, at least 110. My guess is his fastest is around 120. My serve is always around 100 and his has slightly more pace.
     
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    Looks pretty fast but can't really tell to be honest. I know it didn't go in much though so pretty useless. I can gun it pretty hard to, but it's not use if it's not consistent. :(
     
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    You're not going to be able to judge the speed with out seeing the end result, all we see is him hitting the ball.

    Looks really good sounds good, but indeed we do not know how many were in?

    But good for him anyways, looks better than my serve and most people out there LOL So no reason to hate.;)
     
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    about 125 MPH, LOL.
     
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    can't let go can you. your pathetic. :rolleyes:

    actually though, now that i think about it,
    this really shows that I got under your skin big time.
     
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    Damn, now you are following me around the boards. Couldn't resist the bait? I would say you are pathetic. By the way, how fast do you think that serve is? LOL
     
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    I personally think ZP's serve is faster than the serve in this thread... by maybe 5mph
     
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    coming from the guy who couldn't resist posting 4 more times in the other thread to talk about me after i had quit posting. you lose again. :D


    those who accuse are the ones who think along those lines and therefore assume everyone thinks like them. hope thats not too deep for you.
     
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    So ZP's is 130 then. LOL
     
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    when i played basketball about 15 years ago, the coach from the other team would often put two players on me to double team me because I was scoring under the boards too often.
     
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    Somebody's jealous. :mrgreen:
     
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    so how fast IS that serve?
    i dont need exact
    ball park figures welcome
     
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  21. ZPTennis

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    hard to tell. technique looks really good though.
     
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    no more than 110...ive returned about 120 and that doesn't seem to be there...hard to tell from video though...
     
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  23. Ten.Is

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    I'd say close to million mph. Not quite there though.
     
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  24. lzclzclzc

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    just to clarify things, i have nothing to do with that video, im no the guy serving or the dude that filming.

    moving on...
    i knew that ZP and drakulie was gonna start again....
    this is a warning to all of you out there, dont use the word serve with speed
     
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    damn you must be really darn tall--15 years ago...
    they used to double team me. cos i was too short and i tend to disappear and cannot be seen...
     
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    Based on the sound, I'd say anywhere from 110-120.
     
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    So if you turn up the volume a little it will go to 150. LOL
     
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    LOL! hey, just to set the record straight, ZP stalked me to this thread.
     
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    ???? Okay...
     
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  30. emcee

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    The dude in the vid has a nice serve. Didn't see any foot-faults though...but he has a Hewitt-like foot thing going on so there's not much room for error.

    I wish I had that serve!
     
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    LOL why do ppl keep typing LOL when they are fighting on a "tennis" forum?? LOL

    The serve looks good, I like the outfit. :D
    (around 105mph I would say).
     
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    I have faced some huge servers before, 120's and 130's. That one didn't look too big. I've seen bigger. I would guess maybe 110-115. The thing is you can hit as hard as you want, but if the ball is just coming right to the person then it's kinda useless. All that is required is to block it back. If I had the choice between a person that can hit 125 mph serves vs. a person that can hit 105-100 mph with good placement. Give me a person that can use the angles and placement over a big server any day of the week.
     
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  33. Andres

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    Depends. Are you returning? :D
    If you're returning it, I would choose the "125 mph right next to you" one... why are you going to give the other guy more chances to win points off you? :D
     
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    Hahaha, perhaps I should have been more clear. If I were playing doubles I'd want a partner with good placement that serves around 100 or so. My serves are already pretty good so I think that would work out great. :)
     
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    If you have a huge serve, you dont really need great placement. I think you can get away with serving the ball @ 3 main spots.
    Down the T, Into the Corner, and right @ the Body.
     
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  36. edberg505

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    Nah, against a solid player a big server would get ripped apart espcially if they don't really have anything else in their arsenal. I've seen it happen time and time again. Big serves don't me squat if you can't place it. Case in point. I played D1, and in one of my very first matches we played against Centenary. I played in the #1 spot. Their #1 player was about 6'7" and he had without a doubt the biggest serve that I have ever faced. I mean the ball would go up for the toss and the next thing I know it was either in my face or past me. It was insane. I had my chances but I didn't take them. The match ended up being pretty close but I lost. But a few days later my friend who also played D1 who is better than me picked him apart. He was just blockin that stuff back and when that guy didn't hit a clean winner off the blocked return my friend surely did. I have also seen it here. The old number one player for the University here didn't have a big serve and was just good all around played against anotherr former player who was #3. And just looking at them warm up esp. serves you would think well this other guy without the huge serve is going to get worked. The #3 guy was about 6'6" and had the highest recorded serve at UNM, 127 mph. Know what the score was when the both made it to the finals of the the tournament. Big server guy got owned, 6-2, 6-2.
     
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  37. FitzRoy

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    Definitely agree. Pat Rafter's serve was hugely effective at the highest levels of the sport, but it wasn't particularly fast. I think it's why I liked watching him play so much, because he wasn't blowing serves by people, but was still dominant on serve.
     
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    He's Lleyton Hewitt wannabe :)
    all he needs is the funny whistle grunt.
     
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    I agree. Someone who could hit 120 consistently, and place the ball in these 3 spots is going to be extremely tough to break. If they are doing this, they are at a very advanced level, and I would find it hard to believe a player this advanced would not be advanced in other areas as well.
     
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    If they don't have anything else, and the rest of thier game is horrible.
     
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    You'd have to be a pretty good returner to hurt a big server. Somehow I dont see how somebody with a serve around 110 to 120mph would not be able to put away a weak return. Think Roddick for the pros
     
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    I still say around 110mph, give or take a few, even if he doesnt have that much knee bend and launch his racquet head speed is more than enough to compensate for 110. If you watch the vid when being filmed from the side you can see this.
     
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    Roddick is the best example to show that just because you have a big serve doesn't mean ****. Now he's sort of putting ihis game back together, but people are not afraid of him or his serve any more. Block it back and get it back in play.
     
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    And your point is what? He still has one of the highest winning percentages on his service games, even before this summer. In fact he is in the top 3 of every major service statistic on the ATP this year.

    In addition, with only his serve as you just pointed out he is still in the top 10, even though there are guys with a better ground game than him. So his serve does mean "****".
     
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    You're right. Roddick is awesome.
     
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    He is awesome. Even though I don't like his game in the least bit, he is still one of the 10 best players in the world.

    In addition, at our level (4.0-4.5) a 100 MPH serve is much more significant and imposing than his 135+ serve is at his level. People think, including you as you already posted, a 110 MPH is not "too big", which is ridiculous.

    A lot of people like to talk big, and say I could hit 100+, blah, blah, blah. It is amazing to me how many people on these boards could so easily hit 100-110 (cough), yet there are only a handful of female pro players who could eclipse that speed. These are professional who have been playing their who lives, 7 days a week, 14 hours a day, with perfect technique but they can't reach that speed, yet everyone on these boards has a 100+ serve (LOL).

    Truth is, I have only seen one guy on this board who could clearly hit a 100 MPH serve and that is ZPTENNIS, and I am sure he could hit a lot faster than 100. And he backed it up with video.

    Hitting a 100 MPH serve is a big deal at the level I pointed out, and extremely imposing. Most people on these boards have either not come close to that speed, never faced someone who could hit that hard, or can even fathom what that pace is really like, let alone a 120+ serve.

    Hitting a 100 MPH is not in any way easy to hit or return, and most guys who say I have hit with guys who hit 120-130 are full of it. Truth is, they probably haven't even faced a 80 MPH serve.
     
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  47. Mike Cottrill

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    Sure dude. That is hog wash..
     
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    Well, I'm pretty sure, and you can do a search on this, that I have never claimed to hit 120+ mph serves. And yes I did say "not that big" because it was in reference to people that were saying it was 120+ and it just didn't look that big to me. I have faced people that have serves bigger than 110. Hell, a few weeks ago I played against a guy that is a memeber of the tennis team here that hits serves that big, maybe bigger. I have posted a video of my serve before and I think someone hit it right on the button as to how fast I was serving, which was in the low 90's to 100. I don't really see the need to go for really big serves. A well place serve is all that I need. The biggest serve I have ever hit in my life was 115 and it was really hard for me to get that. But during play I never go for serves that big.
     
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    I think what he was trying to say is that a 100 mph serve that is placed well is not easy to return.
     
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    How so? You can honestly sit there and tell me most guys in the 4.0-4.5 level eclipse the 100 mark. I don't think so.

    There is a 4.0-4.5 league where I use to teach. One day the director starting clocking everyones serves and posting them. Mind you, like most people on these boards everyone thought they could hit 100. Of over 40 or so guys only 3 guys hit 100+. Only around 5 guys total, eclipsed 90.

    Like I said, I have only seen one video of someone on these boards who could eclipse that mark. Mind you, I'm not saying everyone is lying--or simply has no clue.

    Even in the ATP there are not many guys who could consistently hit 120 throughout a match. Most of them are serving in the 115 range on average. You are going to tell me most 4.0 players are easily hitting 100, 15 mph lower than the pros? Hog wash indeed.
     
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