how fast is this serve

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  1. Mike Cottrill

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    I will agree with that. Even an 80 mph well placed twist or kick can catch you off gaurd.
     
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  2. drakulie

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    double post
     
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  3. drakulie

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    I never suggested you have ever said that. I was speaking more to the "masses".

    Sorry you were mislead. I was the one who originally posted the 125 remark, but I was being sarcastic.

    I agree, and I have seen the videos you are referring to.

    Totally agree.

    ...and this last comment is exactly my point. Using you as an example, from your videos anyone could see you have a very nice fluid motion, with good racquet speed, solid technique, which is essential to obtain the racquet velocity needed to hit these speeds. Yet even you admit, hitting 115 is extremely difficult.

    As I said, most people here have no clue, or are just massaging their ego.
     
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  4. lzclzclzc

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    just curious,
    justine henin hardenne, one of the best female tour players in my opinion
    how does she hit 100+ consistently at a height of 5'6 or prolly less
    does speed come with experience. does it become easier to hit bigger serves as you play longer.

    by experience i mean regular game play experience and regular drils, with no particular emphasis on serve.
     
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  5. lzclzclzc

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  6. Mike Cottrill

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    Hitting a 120 serve every time is counter productive for pros. The goal is to keep them off balanced by mixing it up.

    A 80mph serve you can get in every time in your sleep so you can bring out the big one on your first. If you are playing a guy who blocks back your big one, why waste your energy hitting it.

    Your are correct about the averages. The above is statement is one reason. Unless my back goes out on me (which it does), I can hit the same serve with a bucket of balls without getting tired. However, in two hour match running down balls and long rallies, you bet.. It takes it toll on the performance. In my case, I start to double fault. Tired, lose concentration.. Double fault and lose a few mph on serves. But I did not get that from your post. You said they are full of it and could not return a 100mph serve. That is what I was saying was hog wash.
     
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  7. edberg505

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    Ok, point taken. Just some confusion I suppose. On a side note, I have to just say this. There is a tier 3 WTA tournament here and there are some recognizable names on the entry list. I'm going to see if I can get a chance to hit with one of them if I have time. I know some of the directors of the tournament and I also know some of the people that is providing housing for a few of the players. The tourney is on the other side of town and it will be very difficult for me to try to get over there before or after work. I'll keep you guys posted if I am able to hit with one of them. I think Alexandra Stevenson is one of the names I recognized on that list. I also saw Alexa Glatch and Mary Gamble. Last year I had a little chat with Angela Haynes, she's pretty cool and down to earth. Crossing my fingers.
     
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    What kind of racqut are you using? The racuqet choice in serving makes some difference as well. I rememeber sometime ago I was hitting on court next to some old people and I saw one of them with a wilson hammer (it kinda looked like a widebody). So just for the hell of it I was fooling around and asked him if I could serve with it. OMG, My serve was untouchable. That thing was like a magic wand. I felt like Pete Sampras. But I could not keep a ground stroke in the court with that thing. Hahahaha.
     
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  10. lzclzclzc

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    my former racquet, a wilson n5
    its a good tweener racquet
    light and powerful, yes it does make u feel like sampras lol
     
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  11. FitzRoy

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    Edberg, I think you were probably experiencing serving with a racquet that may have a comparable swingweight to your normal frame, but a much lower static weight. Those things really have a lot of pop on the serve, with all that weight in the hoop end. How much do you customize your regular playing racquets?
     
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  12. edberg505

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    Umm, I actually don't put any extra weight on my nCode tour 90. But my old orginal prostaff 85 sq in racquet I used to put some lead tape around the head. And for some reason when I first started using the tour 90 I felt the head felt a little heavier than the prostaff 85. Could someone tell me if this is the case for them if they have ever hit with both racquets before.
     
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  13. drakulie

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    I have around 5 inches of lead at 3 and 9 on my ps85. I have hit with a stock NCODE 90 and felt the same as you. It definitely felt heavier to swing than my ps85 even with the setup I have.
     
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  14. Will888

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    o crap I think he hit a 156 mph serve!!
     
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    I thought so. I knew I wasn't going crazy. People kept telling me they were about the same.
     
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  16. FitzRoy

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    My old coach has a bundle of nCode Tour 90's (he can get a few free Wilson racquets every year, and he fell in love with that thing for some reason). I normally play with the 6.0 95, sometimes 6.0 85, but I add a lot of swingweight to my frames so his nCode felt a lot lighter and less stable to me. Some time I might try to get him to let me lead them up a bit so I can get a real comparison.

    I remember reading specs about the 6.0 85 on Greg Raven's site. I think I remember that the 6.0 85's had different swingweights depending on where they were made, and a lot of them had something around 315. If you guys had 6.0s with a swingweight of 315 and were adding some lead, it's very possible that they were fairly close in swingweight to the 326 (as listed on tennis warehouse) for the nCode. I think I'm gonna look at Greg's site again to check up on that.

    EDIT: Nevermind. The specs on Greg's site were unstrung, so my theory doesn't explain it. I have nothing. ;)
     
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  17. SoBad

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    I don't know I think it's over 100mph though. The grunt is awesome and the cameraman needs practice.
     
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  18. ZPTennis

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    and your quote from before...

    so whos to say your better than the other people on here claiming the same thing when you do it also?
    your just one of the many who you say talk big.




    First off, lets get real. Females are not as near as strong as Males. And there are a HELL of a lot of male tennis players around 5.0 level that have better and faster serves than the women on tour. And just because they have played there whole life countless hours, it still doesn't mean all of them have perfect technique on their serve.

    Look at Dementieva. Her serve fails her over and over again. But she is capable of hitting over 100mph on occasion. And yet, i've seen Dementieva double fault whole games away before. Her toss starts to get farther and farther to the right and her form crumbles. She lacks any ability to hit a kick serve. I've only seen her hit variations of a slice serve. But she is still a professional tennis player and is capable of beating some of the top girls.
     
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  19. drakulie

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    Patience. I already have a video camera and am waiting to get a radar gun so I could post videos with the radar gun.

    In the meantime, if you can't wait contact No Skillz. I have played with him and he could vouch I am not BS'ing. He has actually commented to me that when my serve is coming at him he could hear the "Bzzzzzzzz" from all the spin and pace.

    Agree. Being physically strong is one very small component. Strength will only get you so far, where as technique will take you the rest of the way-very long way.


    Strongly disagree.

    Agree, but they have better technique than the average players on these boards.

    Not saying I disagree with you but she is merely one example. The only thing wrong with her technique is where her toss ends up. The rest of her swing is awesome...the knee bend, coiling, dipping of shoulders, pronation, explosion and uncoiling into the swing, etc.
     
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  20. mahouFuji

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    nice form, nice contact, nice kick on the serve but ENOUGH WITH THE FOOT FAULTS!!!
     
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  21. newnuse

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    My friend serves big... I think he told me he clocked 110 or 120.. don't remember. I've seen very few people that serve like that. I do hear a buzz on some of his serves.

    I find it hard to believe all the people that claim they serve 100+. I think if I go all out, I reach 100... pure guess since I've never had it measured. Most of my serves are probably in 80-90 range. I'm guessing I'm in the 4.0 range and most of my friends are the same. They have trouble returning my serves.

    If you guys are serving 100+ at 4.0-4.5 level, you are bombing it.
     
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  22. mahouFuji

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    im serving 70-90..... 3.5...
     
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