How good is this guy?

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  1. Golden_state_of_mind

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    [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZF2691Icto&feature=player_embedded]German playing[/URL]
     
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    Link doesn't work.
     
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  4. Hmmmmm

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    I watched for a few seconds, noticed his point of contact seemed too low, which prompted me to look for his results. He had none in the juniors or the pros, so that's a big time negative. I doubt many D1 coaches would be willing to give someone a scholarship without seeing him compete in tournaments. It doesn't matter how good you look in a video. Maybe some low ranked college might be interested, but even then it seems way too risky.
     
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    So I the answer to the question is: No Clue. Results speak much louder than how good a players strokes look on video.
     
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  6. MethodTennis

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    Can't take a ball high or particularly early by the looks of it. Take back on both sides is massive. My bet is that any kind of variation or a surface other than clay would cause this guy to completely capitulate. In the point play the guy he was playing played in one gear at one height with the same amount of spin. Lets see him play against variety. My guess no where near D1
     
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    This can't be stressed enough. One dude at my club is a D1 coach, and he ALWAYS mandates that a video must be sent with results. He says that no matter how good a kid's strokes are, the results are what keep him in his job (or gets him the boot). He can't evaluate how strong a player someone is if all they do is hit.

    For all we know, this kid in question might have absurdly good looking stokes and can crack 115 on the radar gun with ease, but has the mental fortitude of a tree and can't be trusted to win a singles match under pressure, against a guy who can hit the ball harder than he can.
     
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  8. the 10s n00b

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    Tbh videos are nice but dont tell the story at all... someone can have federer like strokes in a video but then loose to a guy with the most unorthodox strokes who most would watch and not even think of him going d3
     
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  9. Alex78

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    I don't know the guy, but checked his name on the homepage of the "Deutscher Tennis Bund" (DTB).
    He's ranked no. 460 in the men's category, that's an open ranking afaik.
    That's pretty decent, if you ask me. He also has a 24-22 record in tournament and league play for the time interval from 10/2012 to 09/2013.
    But I'm sure he wouldn't just submit his application using this video alone, right :)

    link to DTB ranking: http://www.dtb-tennis.de/downloads/Herrenrangliste.pdf
    and some more info: http://www.tvpro-online.de/tvpro/in...ction=public&todo=portrait&spielerid=19400815
     
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  10. Hmmmmm

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    Thanks for finding what I guess is the German equivalent of the USTA. I checked ITF and ATP and found zip. There are three names that I recognize: Andreas Mies who just graduated from Auburn and played one there, Gustavo Guerses who just recently played in some American Futures, and Thomas Weigel who plays at NC State. He lost 2 and 1 to all three. Not promising, but maybe someone can recognize other names. Nevertheless, I would recommend that this person play some Futures tournaments in order to get a better gauge of his talent level.
     
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    I mean it also depends on what you mean by D1. If you are talking about any major conference then yeah he has absolutely no shot. However there are a lot of D1 schools that are pretty bad and worse than some nonranked D3 schools, I think he could easily play for one of those (I mean I doubt they have funds for scholarship and he probably would not want to go to one of those but it is an exception :p )
     
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    I just mean no where is giving him a scholarship. 500 in Germany probably isnt that great, 500 players in the UK arent that great tbh. Futures I'm guessing but, he'd probably get murdered in qualies. But who knows its a video and very very difficult to gauge from
     
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    Definitely, college players don't represent their respective colleges at practice:razz:. It's during matches.
     
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  14. ATP100

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    Easy Answer: No

    But, he could be a lot better in a year with a few minor changes.
     
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    This is based on your extensive knowledge of the German ranking system, right? Sigh. This guy is not great (relatively speaking), but could 100% get scholarship money at SOME Division I programs. By the way, the German club and tournament system is not only usually very accurate in terms of ranking skill level...but is is also astronomically tougher than the one in England. If you are top 500 in Germany in Men's Open, you are usually a pretty decent player. Regardless, you have to check their individual results though. A general rule of the thumb is a guy 300-500+ could be a D1 scholarship player at some schools, 150-300 will probably play top 6 on a ranked team, and top 40-100 will be nationally ranked singles players on a top 25 team.
     
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    Towards the end of the video there is some point-play. He looks pretty good. However, I agree that a major D1 school would certainly be out of reach. I could see a smaller D1 school give him a shot. Definitely some smaller D2 schools. Anyone have an estimate on NTRP? I'm thinking he looks around 5.0. Perhaps I'm being to harsh and should say 5.5, but based on the video I just didn't see it.
     
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    LOL at the comments. By the looks of it he could hang with D1 pretty well... he'd still lose but he can manage a few games. He reminds me of Alec Adamson.
     
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    Oh my god, he does play like Alec Adamson LOL. Looks as tall as him too
     
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  19. hawk eye

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    Looks like he learned his forehand from Florian Mayer..
    And he got pretty good with it.
     
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  20. mrpeterman

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    I don't understand why all of these scholarship videos show nothing but how well you can hit light paced individual strokes. It seems to me that video of match play would be more important to the scouts.

    This guy certainly can play tennis, I think he looks good enough to attract the attention of any school D1 or otherwise but the school will have to dig deeper to see if the interest is warranted.
     
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  21. J_R_B

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    The point play is edited to show only points the kid won (usually with a winner). That's barely better than a practice stroke video.
     
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    Exactly, thats why I said based on the video I don't think he's a 5.5. I think that 5.0 is reasonable.
     
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