How many Grand slams has Nadal missed due to injuries ?

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  1. The_Order

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    You mean like Fed couldn't get past the untalented mugs from 1998-2002 to face Sampras more often on grass and HC majors...
     
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    Federer 6 WTF. Nadal 0. Djokervic 2 WTF

    Nadal 0-4 on indoor HC vs fed including a bagel set from a 30 yr old federer.
     
  3. SLD76

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    And samprass got destroyed by hewitt at the uso whom fed in turn destroyed at the uso.

    And just like from 05 on, rafa was a slam winner in the same raggedy field as fed and for the better part of 05 to 13 Imeaning every year aside from 08 and 10) could only dominate on clay.
     
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    Federer is better on hardcourts, grass and overall. No matter how many more times Nadal beats on Federer he'll never touch those achievements. But keep crying weak era, so far in the strong era Nadal has won 2 slams lol.
     
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    But they can't even cry "weak era" because fed only has 2 years on rafa for winning slam, so rafa ia part of the same "weak era" lol
     
  6. The_Order

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    So, your whole argument is that because Nadal was so good on clay that even as a teenager he was basically unbeatable there, that works against him and means he's a bad player for not being like that on the other surfaces at such a young age.

    cool story bro. Good for a larf. Especially when you all jump up every time Fed loses in a major and cry old age :lol:

    Truth is, Rafa's game was not yet developed for consistent good results on HC JUST LIKE FEDERER AT THAT SAME AGE (even though Fed is/was more suited to HC than Rafa, they both made a HC slam final at the same age). The fact that he won 3 HC Masters and almost won 4 in 2005 just goes to show how weak the field was. Prime Nadal would've not only won Miami 05, but he would've won the US Open as well and would've been a good shot to win the AO. Source: Common sense. Federer struggled against broken down old Agassi in the 05 USO final, prime Nadal would've finished Fed off in 4 sets that day. As for AO, Nadal has never lost a set to Safin, despite only ever playing him on a HC. In fact, Nadal bagelled Safin on a HC in 2007.
     
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    Hypocrite. You can't sit here and say that we should discount Nadal's inability to make slam finals and then in the same breath say that Federer's shouldn't count because He didn't face Nadal in them!
     
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    There's is no inability on Nadals part to reach finals . In fact quite the contrary they have met in more finals than any two players in history .
    They have met in 8 finals .

    Federer could only win on grass at the beginning of Nadals career....

    Never in history has any player been so dominated by his rival.

    At 6-2 how on earth can you possibly call Federer the greatest of all time when he is Nadals whipping boy . It defies all logic.....no one has ever been beaten so badly in slam finals as Federer yet he is the greatest??!

    Federer may have the greatest success on paper .....but in reality Nadal has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is the better player.
     
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    I'm talking about prime Nadal, not 2004-2007 version. He had it easy let's not muck around a player like Federer was never going to be under any real consistent threat from the likes of Hewitt, Roddick and old Agassi. They were good players but nothing like Rafa. Rafa had to deal with Federer and/or Novak to win 9 out of his 11 slams. Federer has had to deal with Rafa and/or Novak to win only 5 out of his 17. Speaks volumes really. Quality over quantity.
     
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    This ... it burns up The_Order so much ....
     
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    Rafa's ga,me wasn't developed.....translates to, he wasn't good enough. And if he was good enough to win a hc master shiled, why not a major?
     
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    Rofl...how many excuses and qualifiers does nadal need.

    We can't count anything before 2007 now?

    Lmao

    And lmao, the same lousy competition is. The same competition even vastly more superior nadal couldn't seem to handle.

    Lmao!
     
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    but federer did deal with rafa from RG 2005 and from wim 06 onwards

    in-form agassi, roddick, hewitt, safin etc > many of those versions of federer/djokovic that nadal beat , including USO 2010, RG 2008 ( duh ! ), RG 2012 and pretty much comparable to the other versions of federer that rafa faced at RG ....

    would be different if federer had played at RG anywhere close to how he played at rome 2006/hamburg 2007 or djokovic met him in RG 11 .....

    once djokovic hit his stride in 2011, prime rafa could only win slams on clay :)

    OTOH, past his prime federer beat djokovic at RG/wim and ran him close at the USO whereas prime rafa lost 3 slam finals in a row with only one of them being close ...
     
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    Haha there goes your credibility, comparing a Masters to a major LOL.

    Actually no it doesn't. When Federer was at the same stage in his career as Nadal is now, Nadal is actually ahead as he has a career slam and Feddy boy didn't. LOL. Let's just wait and see what happens in the next 5 years, Nadal's been written off before by you folks, only for you to end up looking like this:

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    You didn't even need to say all that.

    If rafa is so superior, and fed's competition so weak, then why did even "baby rafa" struggle with the field so much outside of clay, if all fed's competition were mugs and bums right?

    Either the field from 05 onward was very good, and rafa's ga,e wasn5 good enough to break thru cuz he was dtill developing.

    Or the field was weak and rafa was even more incompetent
     
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    You don't need to say anything either and tbh you shouldn't because the amount of nonsense coming from you expecting an 18-21 year old Rafa to perform just as well as prime Federer and comparing a masters to a major is just embarrassing.

    You're in a hole. Stop digging.
     
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    federer had 4 years at #1 compared to rafa's 2, many more weeks at #1, one more major, 4 YECs ...

    rafa's edges are the career slam and masters ...

    no way is it clear cut that rafa is ahead ....

    and the 2 times rafa was predicted to be ruling, mid-2009 and 2011, this is how his 'domination train' has crashed :

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    one can safely predict that nadal isn't going to come close to federer at wimbledon, USO, AO, the YEC, years and weeks at #1....

    the two things he'll have an edge at is of course RG and masters, that's it .

    he'll never come close to federer on grass or HC because he's just a clearly inferior player there against the field ....
     
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    LOL you mean a field of Novak Djokovic and a tougher Andy Murray who conveniently weren't there from 04-07...

    And the career slam is > anything Fed acheived at the same age. Rafa also has the Olympic singles gold medal and 2 Davis Cup titles. Not to mention he owns the so called "goat" on the big stage 6-2 :oops:
     
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    oh yes, I did. I wanted to show that even going through own method, he fails ..

    oh and federer met djokovic 10 times at majors after montreal 07 (novak's major breakthrough tourney ) , nadal only 6 times

    yet djokovic is part of 'strong' competition for nadal, but not for federer. :lol:

    even after 2011, post-prime federer is 2-3 in majors vs djokovic with wins on federer's best and worst surface, prime nadal is 1-3 in majors vs him , with the one win at nadal's best surface.
     
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    see my above post .

    add this to that ...

    tougher andy murray ? when in-form he beat nadal at the USO and the AO, the AO even more crucial because nadal was in-form .

    federer beat an in-form murray at wimbledon 12 , murray even struggled to put away a struggling federer at AO 13 , nadal hasn't even faced murray since tokyo 2011 ....

    past his prime federer actually took over #1 from djokovic and nadal in mid-2012, nadal failed to take it at any stage from djokovic ....

    federer had rafa on clay from 2005 onwards, on grass from 2006 onwards, djokovic in 07 , then hewitt, roddick, safin, older agassi, nalbandian, davydenko etc as well ........

    rafa has the olympics gold , fine ... but davis cup is a team effort ...how on earth is the career slam a definitely better thing than 4 totally dominant years compared to 2 for rafa ? fed was still performing pretty well at RG with 2 finals and a semi ..... OTOH, rafa has one final at the YEC ....clearly indoors than fed on clay ...

    oh and by the end of 2007, the h2h was 8-6 overall and 3-2 in majors to rafa.
     
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    2 slams ? When did the strong era begin ? Surely you don't count 2012 in the strong era when an old washed up 31 year old weak era mug was #1 for a better part of the year ?

    And not 2011, where Nadal needed help from the same OWEM to take out his unstoppable tormentor at RG to help him sneak in his lone slam ?
     
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    Yawn


    The same murray that nadal owns in in majors.

    And no doubt djoker 2.0 has nadal's number. Meanwhile old fed ended djoker's 2011 win streak at the FO, and beat djoker and murray back to back to wb 2012(regaining world number 1 in the process) , and bageled djoker en route to a straight sets win over him in cincy. Old 31 yr old fed beat murray in the wtf semi before losing to worls number one djoker. And 31 yr old fed lost to a prime and peaking murray in 5 at the AO. The first time he ever lost to murray in a slam.

    Hmmm..when was this tough era again??; seems to me fed/ for a 31 yr old is doing pretty well. Meanwhile rafa is back to his norm of only winning FOs since he is stopped everywhere else by djoker.
     
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    Your above posts are crap.

    I said Federer has only been through Nadal and/or Djokovic in 5 out of his 17 majors.

    Yet you decide to bring up the losses? Do you not understand the meaning of FIVE OUT OF SEVENTEEN?

    You're trying to present yourself as an intelligent person but you fail miserably everytime.

    All those other players you mentioned are NOT of the same calibre as Nadal or Djokovic.

    And yes, the career grand slam is the better acheivement over anything Fed did at the same age, sorry you can't accept that.
     
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    read : I am blanked out on how to troll in response to the points raised in those posts

    lol @ the butthurt flowing through in this post ..why should someone only look at it only through your POV ? LOL !

    oh and agassi is the same calibre of player as djokovic/nadal ...

    you only point out 5 out of 17 because that is convenient for you.

    if "calibre" is the only thing that matters, why even bother playing vs the other lower ranked players ... I mean what business did soderling have to take rafa out in RG 09, rosol at wim 12 ...kohlscreiber to take out djokovic in RG 2009 , melzer to take out djokovic in RG 2010 etc etc ...

    roddick of wim 04,09 would beat any version of djokovic on grass and roddick of USO 07 would beat any version of djoker at the USO except USO 11 where it would be very close .

    agassi of USO 04 was darn good .... at AO 2005, he was no slouch either ...neither was hewitt @ the wimbledon and USOs in 2004 and 2005 .... safin was pretty good at both AO 04 and AO 05 ... etc etc ...

    djokovic of 07-10 wasn't that much better than these players when they were playing well .. from 2011, past his prime federer had better success vs him than prime nadal ... Deal with it .. LOL !!!

    the career slam would be a big edge to overcome federer's other edges at the same age if federer had performed badly at RG, ala sampras , but he didn't ..... he did well in 3 consecutive RGs, making 2 finals and a semi ...

    with federer's other edges, its easily arguable that he's ahead ...
     
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    Nadal would have 57 slams if it weren't for his injuries.

    /thread.
     
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    you mean 33, right ? that's the number of majors he's played in ... :)
     
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    Nadal 2007 and back doesn't count. So that means he has 8 less wins over Federer, 3 less majors. 8 majors for Rafa, and a 11-11 Even Head to head with Federer.

    You know, since 2007 and before Nadal doesn't count in any way.

    So not even close to GOAT.
     
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    Nadal vs Federer slam finals

    Clay ...Nadal 4-0

    Hard .....Nadal 1-0

    Grass .....Federer 2-1

    How on earth can you say Federer is the greatest of all time? It just doesn't make sense.
     
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    Nadal vs the field in slams after 2005 FO(skipping the slams he won and dnp)

    Didn't makw wb 05 final
    didn't make uso 05 final
    Lost 06 wb final to fed
    didn't make 06 uso final
    Lost in semi of 07 ao
    Lost in 07 wb final
    didn't make uso 07 final
    lost in ao 08 semi
    lost 08 uso semi
    Lost 4th rd FO
    lost in o9 uso semi
    got beat/retired 2010 ao semi 2010
    got beat ao quarter 2011
    lost wb final to djoker 2011
    lost lost uso final to djoker 2011
    Lost ao final to djokder 2012
    lost to rosol wb 2nd rd 2012


    Yep, that rafa...such a dominant beast at slams that aren't the FO...clearly he is goat. Roflmao
     
  30. Cup8489

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    Weekday happened to all the other thousands of pros?
     
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    2003 French Open: Fractured elbow
    2004 French Open: Ankle stress fracture
    2004 Wimbledon: Ankle stress fracture
    2006 Australian Open: Foot injury
    2009 Wimbledon: Knee tendinitis/family issues
    2012 US Open: Knee tendinitis
    2013 Australian Open: Knee tendinitis/stomach illness
     
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    Some of Rafael Nadal's head-to-heads
    19-10 against Roger Federer
    19-15 against Novak Djokovic
    13-5 against Andy Murray
    17-4 against David Ferrer
    13-3 against Tomas Berdych
    8-3 against Juan Martin del Potro
    8-3 against Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
    9-4 against Mikhail Youzhny
    6-4 against Lleyton Hewitt
    7-3 against Andy Roddick
    6-2 against Robin Soderling
    7-3 against Fernando Gonzalez
    7-2 against Juan Carlos Ferrero
    7-2 against Ivan Ljubicic
    6-2 against Carlos Moya
    5-1 against Gilles Simon
    5-2 against David Nalbandian
    4-3 against James Blake
    4-1 against Guillermo Coria
    2-0 against Marat Safin

    3-3 against Gaston Gaudio

    5-6 against Nikolay Davydenko

    Not bad against the field, eh? ;)
     
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    no its still 57, not 33...

    because he gets awarded extra majors for playing when he is suffering from "the worst knee pain ever." :neutral:
     
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    Would that some of those wins were in slam semis and finals and then The DimLight might actually stop trolling the boards because he wouldn't need to.

    Also, while your at it, post roger's head to head with the field

    But in case you don't want to do all that, Ill just sum it up with:

    17 slams, record 6 WTF , record 300+ weeks at number 1, record consecutive weeks number 1

    Tied for open era record at 3 slams

    5 FO finals, 1 FO win in the era of Nadal.
     
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    anyone heard of 'simple English Wikipedia' ?? a wiki sideline, :)..
    I just found out about it, its got a list of his major tourneys and its got French 2003 as 'injured' but strangely AO 2013 he is 'absent'..

    .lol wut :).he was 'absent' because he was still 'injured' surely, :confused:

    so the final total is missed 7 majors,

    2003 French (elbow injury),
    2004 French, Wimbledon (stress fracture ankle),
    2006 AO (umm ??),
    2009 Wimbledon (knee injury/Rosolitis),
    2012 U.S open (knee injury),
    2013 AO (knee injury/the sniffles).

    surely no more debate then eh ?????????????????.
     
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    Everyone knows that in order for a major win to be legitimate, you have to beat the guys 5-6 years younger than you. Tennis revolves around them. So when you're 23 years old, none of your majors can possibly count since they haven't even arrived on the scene yet.

    Michael Chang's French Open didn't count because 11 year olds weren't in their prime yet.
     
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    Guys the simplest way to calculate exactly how many slams Nadal has missed is:

    10 years on pro tour, 4 grand slams per year (plus one for this years AO).

    41 grand slams.
    Nadal has won 11 titles.
    41 - 11 = 30.

    Nadal has missed 30 slams due to injuries.
     
  38. TheTruth

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    Unbelievable. That's why Nadal is such a high caliber player.
     
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    It's now 18-4 against Ferrer.
     
  40. The Dark Knight

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    I fixed it for you :

     
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    Yes..divorce is devastating for a chiod who is 23 yrs old.

    Meanwhile, didn't sampras play a slam match at the uso right after losing his coach in a tragic accident.

    Didn't rosol recently win his first atp tour title after losing his father
     
  42. The Dark Knight

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    Yes they did. So what ?

    The guy lost one match ..... ONE ....ever !!! He skipped Wimbledon .....obviously he was having a hard time . You left that out because of pure hatred

    Not very objective to say the least.

    Divorce is a psychological trauma and it was happening during the FO.....everyone reacts differently and we don't know about Rafa.....what we so know is that was a mamas boy and still living with his parents .

    It could not have been easy.

    Physical injury is one thing psychological is another .

    J
     
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    What im saying is, players have played even after suffering personal loss and tragedy.

    Rafa goes and licks his wounds for a few months when he has a setback(losing FO quarters, losing second rd wimbledon) the two biggest tournies for nadal are fo and wimbledon.

    So, he suffers a shock loss in both and after which misses time off the tour.
    a month and a half in 09 and 7 months in 2012/13,

    And maybe im not being culturally sensitive, but at 23 you should be able to cope with your parents separating. He was a grown man, not some teenager.
     

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