How many in cold states would join a indoor court if price and availability was right

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  1. luvforty

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    you know the other idea is to go the other extreme - charge $200 / hour, but you get cleavage ball girls, as if you are playing in Madrid Masters!

    and put all the luxuries in the lounge... give the clients a tennis experience out of this world...

    add a sauna, maybe with a happy ending too.

    if you can't go cheap, go super luxury.

    you are in the west coast, lots of Asian business people there from Japan/China/Korea etc... big potential.
     
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  2. Ronaldo

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    They work for our local barbershops or as dental hygienists
     
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  3. Mick3391

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    Yea, there's always a way to make a buck, "Did you want the standard massage or the REAL message"

    Yea, if I were immoral I'd be a billionaire!

    Train our chicks, "You look like a tennis stud", repeat orders guraranteed!
     
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  4. sundaypunch

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    Probably the most commonly spoken phrase among people with businesses that failed miserably.
     
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  5. luvforty

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    the 'enjoy' part is important though.... it usually does not work if money is the only goal.
     
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  6. gameboy

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    You can come over and play here. Only $16 for a guest!
     
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    Do you know how much it cost to light a tennis court? When it is cold, how much to heat a court, think of the volume and compare it to your house.

    Also, you have to have a security system, armed guards, counter snipers, xray machine, bomb sniffing dogs. Anti tank missles, anti aircraft missles, flame throwers to burn the dead.
     
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  8. Mick3391

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    I'll do that! Only if you bring a camera, in fact I'll make a deal, you record, because no one believes I'm a 5.5 player, really a 6.0 but no longer ranked, but yea if you bring a camera, film it, and put it up for these negative posters, I'll pay gladly, in fact let's do multiple hours on me!

    It's worth it to me to get these freaks off my back.

    We will play at whatever pace you wish, this is great!
     
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  9. Mick3391

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    Likewise, another most common phrase is "I didn't like it, but it seemed like a money maker". I know, though experience, that if you are not pasionate about a deal, you won't give 100%, you won't research, you won't do ALL that is necessary.

    I've done deals only for a buck, and that's all I've made. When I did deals I was passionate about I made a fortune, so that is advanced business, look it up, you MUST be into it or you will know nothing about it, and trust me, I've been there, all those paycheck boys at FILA, they had no clue.
     
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  10. Mick3391

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    I know, our Fascist FG keeps us fron doing the most basic things in America, "Land of the enslaved".

    Good news is that people are waking up, both lberals and Conserves to see that both models are not freedom kind.
     
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  11. gameboy

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    I am only a lowly 3.5, but I can hang okay with 4.0 and 4.5 players. I don't know about recording the session, but I will vouch for you if you are a legit 4.5+ player.

    Just PM me.
     
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  12. Netspirit

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    Mick, you can take a look at the (newest?) indoor tennis club in Bellevue (avtennis.com).

    It is pretty booked up and the prices are on the cheap side. You don't need to join it, but you can get an idea how much one can charge in a facility like that.
     
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  13. mmk

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    I belong to a club, and play indoors in a couple club-arranged singles leagues, with starting times of 8PM or 9PM. We have a hard time getting people to sign up due to the start (really, end) times. Dues at the club, which includes a really nice gym, swimming pool and (indoor) racquetball courts are $100/month. For that you get free time on the outdoor courts and racquetball courts, but playing indoors runs from $30-$40/hour, depending on day of the week and time of day. Playing in the leagues costs as well, but works out to paying less than $15/hour, and since I am willing to sub for anyone, I get those matches free.

    $50/month would be nice, but as others have pointed out, that may be hard to achieve.
     
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  14. RollTrackTake

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    Utilities to heat and power indoor clubs must really be the killer. When I travel to warm weather cities and go to outdoor clubs to play they are always significantly cheaper. The $50/month ($600/year) idea intrigues me because I normally shell out close to that at my current club. I pay $250 for the yearly membership which includes use of a gym that hasn't changed since the 1980's. An indoor hitting wall that can only be used when league matches on the back 2 courts are not in play. And outdoor courts which are only up between May -Sept. December, January and February I pay an additional $75/month for unlimited court time. Catch is, courts have to be free of lessons, leagues and full-time bookings. So basically just off peak. That puts me at $475. 10 home USTA matches at the club run me $200. So I average $675/year at the club. My thought is that a $50/month flat fee JUST for unlimited court time would increase volume enough to offset the losses with higher fees. Lessons, clinics and organized tournaments would cost extra of course. Could that business model work??? I was in Morgantown, West Virginia a while back and found a small, 3 court indoor facility that looked like it may have fallen down on itself at any moment. I went in hoping to just get some practice. For two hours of court time it was $40 plus one of the guys that worked there (young former D3 player from eastern europe) came out to hit with me for no extra charge. I gave them $80 because where they were so unbelievably nice. I talked to the owner afterwards and he keeps the place going by operating on a shoestring budget. He employs 3 other people total. All young tennis players who work for a little more than minimum wage and money they get from giving lessons. I talked to the new guy that owns my home club and he said the lifeblood of indoor clubs in my area is:
    1. Daytime women who play league matches 3 times a week and most take lessons and pay to practice in addition.
    2. Juniors. Their parents shell out for tons of court time and lessons.
    3. Working (career) adults. Who generally only come in 1 or 2 times on weeknights.
    So he's not really trying to do anything extra for the guys/gals like me that want to play more often.
    SIDE NOTE - for you Washington state people, I was up in the Seattle area a few months back and played at the Boeing indoor tennis facility in Kent, WA. Great facility and the price was reasonable for a non-member who walked in off the street!
     
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  15. max

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    In my investment banking days, we tried to sell a club. Horrible business to get into; great costs all around, and few customers willing or able to pay what it would take to make it go.

    At the rate I'm going, I'm just thinking of building a squash court some place.
     
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  16. Mick3391

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    Just saw this, cool, I'll hit you up.
     
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  17. Mick3391

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    Gameboy, I tried to PM you but it said "this user doesn't wish to receive email".

    You can just email me at micksweaney@gmail.com, let's go hit! Since you are going to give a testimony, I'll buy your session.
     
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