How many matches has Federer lost when he's had Match Point

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  1. Nickzor

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    He's my Fav player on par with Nadal, but as great as he's been over the last decade i think he's had more tough losses then any other player in tennis history, Wimby 2008, 3 french open Finals in a row, US Open 2009, 2 consecutive US Open semi finals while having 2 match points in each, the list goes on.

    Off the top of my head i can think of 4 matches he's lost while having match point and they were all pretty big matches

    Australian Open 2005 Semi-final against Safin had match point in the 4th only to lose 7-9 in the fifth after 4 hours and 40 minutes, If he won he would have faced Hewitt in the final, Fed demolished hewitt at the 2004 US Open 6-0 7-6 6-0 , this was the last slam before this Australian Open and I'd bet my House Fed would have taken the trophy had he got to the final.

    US Open 2010-2011 Semi-Finals vs Djokovic both times, he had Matchpoints in both matches and lost in both of them! He may have a mental block against Nadal but i believe he would have won at least one of the finals had he got through, winning 5 in a row i don't think i'd be wrong on that.

    Rome 2006 Final vs Nadal, 5 hour long match lost when having 2-3 match points and playing out of his mind.
     
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  2. TheFifthSet

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    2002 OZ Open vs Haas, lost despite having MP in the 5th.
     
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  3. Towser83

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    he lost a few in masters events in 2011 i think.One to Berdych, can't remember the others.
     
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    baggy in indian wells i wanna say 2010
     
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  5. Nickzor

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    Geee his had a few, i can't think of any matches that Nadal or Djokovic have lost when they've had match points? Certainly not any in Grandslams
     
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    Fed was two points away from victory vs Hewitt in the '03 Davis Cup semis.
     
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    monfils paris 2011 i think
     
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    nice one mate
     
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  9. Nickzor

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    Aside from matches he's lost whilst having matchpoints, i can think of like a million that he's lost where you'd think he was about to win, for example when his in a situation like 6-4 5-3 30-0 then loses.

    So far we've listed 4 matches his lost at the Slams where his had matchpoints, i can't think of any Nadal/Djokovic have lost whilst having matchpoints (At slams)
     
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    2005 Monte Carlo quarter final against Gasquet
     
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    I'll add Federer vs Berdych Indian wells 2011 Semi's, Fed had 2 match points
     
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    Close...it was '10. Fed won Bercy in '11.
     
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    Fed & Berd have never played at IW. Fed lost to Djok in the '11IW semis. Their closest match was @ '10 Key Biscayne. Is this the match you might be referencing?
     
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    Ooop, it was either Miami masters 2010 or Canada masters 2010, my bad
     
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  15. Tenez101

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    Has Nadal ever lost a match after having match point?

    Djokovic lost to Nadal in Madrid 2009 after holding a match point (one in the final set tiebreak I think).
     
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    on top of my head, in chronological order :

    vs haas AO 2002
    vs safin AO 2005
    vs gasquet MC 2005
    vs nadal rome 2006
    vs baghdatis IW 2010
    vs berdych miami 2010
    vs djokovic USO 2010
    vs monfils paris 2010
    vs djokovic USO 2011
     
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    How many has he won when he was match point down?
     
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    I think maybe his done it once before, I can't remember when though
     
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    remember this one :

    vs agassi in TMC 2003 RR match
     
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    He did it in the 2003 Master's Cup RR vs Agassi.

    Edit: Blagh, abmk beat me to it.
     
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    yea lol so many times he lost with multiple match points or when he had a huge lead like Delpo match at the us open final. Thats a match he never should of lost.
     
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  22. Nickzor

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    Exactly this! He may be the GOAT but hell! Has he had some losses
     
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    He was 2 pts away from the victory against Nalby in TMC 2005.
     
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    I think in 2006 TMC against Roddick; could have lost in straights.
     
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    federer is not my favorite but in a way it shows you how good he is in that even when he loses he has match points. a lesser player would just lose in straight sets
     
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    Definitely agree with you there, and the fact that there's only been one match where he's won whilst saving matchpoints is also a testimony to how he's able to finish/win matches without letting his opponent catch up or level with him
     
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    IIRC, Nadal did not face MP vs Verdasco @'12Madrid but being up 5-2 in the third only to lose 7-5 against your 13-time pigeon is far from "clutch".
     
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    2011 Madrid against F.Lopez? Think he was down 5-6 in the final set tiebreak.
     
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    Against Verkerk in Bercy aswell if my memory isn't failing me. However, don't know what year...
     
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    He never had MP's in that match. He was 2 points away at 6-5 30-30 with Delpo serving in the 4th set.

    He lost 5 matches in 1 year in 2010 when he had MP's. Those matches were to Baghdatis in IW, Berdych in Miami, Hewitt in Halle(??, not sure about this one, may have been Gulbis in Rome), Djokovic at the USO, and Monfils in Paris Of course, he also lost to Safin at the 05 AO and Djokovic at the 2011 US Open. Those are the ones I know off the top of my head.

    I don't know of many matches where he's saved MP's and won. The only ones I can think of are the 2003 TMC RR match against Agassi and the one against Olivier Rochus in Halle in 2006. Federer is very good at not letting it get to the point where he has to save a MP or more in order to win. Unfortunately, sometimes he's not the best at closing the deal, as evidenced above. But I could also name you just as many matches where he "should've" lost and ended up winning. But people like to focus on the negative because he's expected to win anyway. And he makes it look easy most of the time so people forget how hard it really is to do what he does consistently.
     
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  31. Hitman

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    Nadal had match point against Davydenko in that crazy match in Doha.
     
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    I think he saved MP's in that one. That year would be 2003.
     
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    Oh yes he did. I kind of answered Agassifan's question. Wasn't relevant to the thread, but still...
     
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    This is correct. Just watching a highlight video right now for confirmation :)

    So, so far we have 9 matches that he's lost while having MP(s).

    vs haas AO 2002
    vs safin AO 2005
    vs gasquet MC 2005
    vs nadal rome 2006
    vs baghdatis IW 2010
    vs berdych miami 2010
    vs djokovic USO 2010
    vs monfils paris 2010
    vs djokovic USO 2011

    And 5 that he's won while saving MP's:

    vs Agassi TMC RR 2003
    vs Verkerk Paris 2003
    vs Rochus Halle 2006
    vs Roddick TMC 2006
    vs Lopez Madrid 2011

    Excuse this if you don't want to see a boring list full of possibilities, but I'm just looking through his career matches now on the ATP website, and I've found a match against Albert Costa in Miami in 2003 that he lost that went to 9-7 in a 3rd set breaker. I would image he lost MP(s) in that one. He also has had really tight matches against Gaudio, Roddick, and Scott Draper in the summer of 2003, and another match against Lopez in Madrid in 2003 that might go into one of these lists. A close loss to Ljubicic in Basel 2003. A match against Davy in Miami 2004. Karlovic in Gstaad 2004, Hrbaty in Cincy 2004, Berdych at the Olympics,

    I'm trying to remember if he had MP(s) against Tsonga in Canada in 2009. I think he did since he blew the match after being up 5-1 in the final set, but I'm not sure.
     
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  35. Hood_Man

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    Wow, I had no idea he'd had match point against Haas at the AO, I thought I knew all his "match point" losses.
     
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  36. tennisaddict

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    I thought Fed had match point in the loss to Gulbis at Rome in 2010. That year was disaster in terms of major tournaments lost after having match point after a spectacular start to the year.
     
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    didn't he also save MP (2 ?) when beating ferrero at dubai in 2005 ?
     
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  38. vive le beau jeu !

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    vs. hewitt at basel 2000 also, i think... that was a great match between 2 promising youngsters at the time ! :)
     
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    I don't think he has, no.
     
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  41. vive le beau jeu !

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    i have already two:
    davydenko, doha 2010
    lapentti, bastad 2003
     
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    Fed did not have match point. Gulbis had to win on his seventh match point. Gulbis said "“Well, actually I was s#*&!*!% my pants - sorry for the language, but that's the only way I can describe how I felt at 5-4 and at match point," Gulbis said of his nerves. "I couldn't get the serve in, I didn't know what to do, I was shaking. A terrible feeling." about winning on the 7th match point.

    2-6, 6-1, 7-5
     
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    djokovic had 3 MPs vs nadal in that breaker ... nadal saved them all ...
     
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  44. Steve0904

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    I believe Nadal also saved MP's in a victory over Almagro in Paris in 2009??
     
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    Nadal lost to Davydenko in Doha in 2010. He couldn't've played ANY better yet he lost to Davy.
     
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    vs Ferrero Dubai 2005
    I found one match that potentially has Fed winning after saving match points:
    Cincinnati 2003 against Scott Draper when Fed won 4–6, 6–3, 7–6(12–10)
     
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    4 losses in majors is really hard to swallow. And the loss to Delpo when he was within 2 points of victory after being a break up at USO 2010 finals is another painful loss.
     
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    Sorry, I'd wiped the Davydenko loss from my memory ;)

    As for the Lapentti loss, I don't recall it at all :eek:
     
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    there was a stat the other day, he's won something like 17 times down match point (more than the rest in big 4, but he's also played more matches)
     
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    Holy sh*t, that must have crushed Djokovic (maybe explaining his subpar 2009 season).
     
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