How many pros still hit on the wall?

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  1. djsiva

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    Mcenroe and connors and borg use to hit on the wall, but do players now a days still hit on the wall. If so which ones?



    Do you think it can hurt your game?
     
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  2. pshulam

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    Not sure. However, they might be hitting their heads against the wall.
     
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    Whats hit on the wall?
     
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    HIT...AGAINST...A...WALL.
     
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    Quite a mental picture...envisioning Roger Federer hitting the wall...
     
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    literally hitting the ball against the wall to practice your forehand/backhand etc... LOL
     
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  7. bladepdb

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    NO.

    Hitting against a wall/backboard is one of the best ways to improve your focus and coordination between a backhand and forehand.

    When you perform drills you can expect that the next ball will be to your forehand or backhand side and what not.

    But when you hit against a wall you cannot always expect the ball to be on a certain side. Therefore, not only do you develop anticipation but also the ability to switch quickly from BH to FH or FH to BH.

    I'm not sure if pros today still practice regularly against a wall or not, but it definitely cannot hurt their game, especially because their game already is at such a high level. They might not hit what they normally hit on the court when htiting against a wall, but the benefit of FH-BH focus outweighs any "loss" of practice on their regular shots.
     
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    If I don't have a partner, than I'm taking the wall....
     
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    The wall is great. You can come up with different routines as well, but many, many tennis balls have not survived... THE WALL.
     
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    I wonder if any of them got with the wall?
     
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    None. The wall is terribly bad for your game after a certain point
     
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    I wonder if the pros have a ball-boy on the other side of the wall in case they shank one and hit it over...
     
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    That's what I was thinking, too.

    It's about as effective as doing push ups to improve your tennis game.

    Both are good if you're begining, but after a certain level it just hurts your game. Too many push ups, reduces your flexibility and makes your muscles too tight.

    Ping pong players never seriously practice on the wall.

    But I swear I remember hearing stories of borg practicing 6 hours on the wall straight.

    Also of connors hitting against a wall forever in an old armory.

    The wall is better than a ball machine though. Ball machines are such a hassle. Too heavy. Too noicy. too boring.

    Any real pros nowadays still use the wall?
     
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    How on earth could the wall (or push-ups for that matter) negatively impact anyone's game, regardless of playing level?
     
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    I guess you've never done three sets of 100 push-ups in a row in 15 minutes.

    Believe me, after you do that, you won't be hitting the tennis ball that well.

    But if you can't even do 5 push ups (probably like yourself) then doing 10 push ups a day and eating only three bags of doritos instead of five after lunch will probably do your game a lot of help.
     
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    Nice straw-man there, and the ad hominem at the end adds a nice touch as well. I'll be sure to stick around, in case you get the urge to actually prove your point.
     
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    No one said anything about doing 300 pushups right before a match.

    There's a reason players don't do that. And that's called common sense.
     
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    No offense to any hackers, but all I'm saying is that it's pretty useless to practice your times tables when you have a calculus test.

    Or to recite your abc's when you're prepping for the national spelling bee.

    But if your coordination and strength level is low enough, then practicing on the wall or doing push-ups will help your game a great deal.

    As for pros, this is not only a waste of time, but can actually be detrimental. At least according to the guy who thinks he's a pro.

    Read the thread, I'm not the one proposing this, I'm just defending it.
     
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    pushups are calisthenics, you won't really bulk from them, they work endurance and strength more than size

    there should be no way pushups hinder your tennis. bench is a different story, but bodyweight pushups, nope.
     
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    About 3 years ago, I read an article where Nick Bollettieri had Max Mirnyi practice against the wall. The author of the article said that he always thought that only beginners practiced against the wall, but that he was wrong once he saw Mirnyi hitting against the wall. According to Bollettieri, it's supposed to be beneficial to certain aspects of the game.

    I read this about 3 or 4 years ago, so I don't remember what it said word for word.
     
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  21. tudwell

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    1) See the post above by lawrence.
    2) I don't see anyone in this thread claiming to be a pro, and only one person claiming that the wall can hurt your game.
    3) I agree hitting against the wall (or doing push-ups) might not be the best use of one's time when one has reached a higher level, but I still don't see how either could hinder someone. Which is what you're claiming.
     
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  22. ucrctennis

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    The wall is great, I'm a high level high-school player (trained in France at an academy) and I hit on the wall ~5 times a week. It's a great warm-up and it's really good to hone your strokes and feel the ball out.

    Why would it be detrimental? Forget the pushup analogy, it doesn't work.
     
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  23. joachim-babolat

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    Vince Spadea posted a video of himself practicing on a wall :

    youtubehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2leQK1VZSK8
     
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  24. ChanceEncounter

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    Pushups in your downtime can't really hinder you. It just builds up muscle endurance. As mentioned, unless you add resistance, pushups are not a good way to build muscle mass.

    Hitting the wall isn't a great use of time, but it doesn't "hinder" a high level tennis player.
     
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    one of the best things to improve your tennis game is ... repetition. the wall can help you there
     
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  26. JeMar

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    I think hitting against a regular backboard isn't nearly as effective as hitting against a concave backboard. The latter really helps your strokes.
     
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    Maybe that's why max mirnyi never made it to the top.

    Spent too much time on the wall. It hindered his game. He needed to move to the next level. But he just kept reciting his abc's to Nick, when he actually should have been practicing spelling difficult words with silent letters.

    So instead of actually doing drills to work on his speed and footwork, he just monotously hit on the wall.

    So are there any TOP pros hit on the wall? Not wantabes. Spadea? Give me a break!

    Hitting on the wall is about as helpful as twirling your racquet like Blake does. It helps your coordination, but really it's pretty useless at the pro level.
     
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  28. split-step

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    Hitting on the wall will not hinder a pros game.

    It certainly won't enhance a top pros game.
     
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    I work out in the mornings before going to work Monday through Friday for 1 hour. And I am not talking push-ups but actual weight training (bench press, shoulder press, etc ) and then play tennis in the afternoon at least 5 days a week. Weight training has never hinder my tennis or flexibility and it has actually given me more strength and endurance. So I definitively don’t think push-ups or the wall will be bad
     
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    Seles used to hit on the wall daily, Navratilova was doing commentary and she said she used to see Seles hitting against the wall
    every day.

    Seles wasn't a top player, was she?
     
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    No offense, but the first thing that popped up in my mind when I read this is HACKER with a $300 tweener racquet.

    Again I said, the wall helps beginers not top pros.

    Bench pressing everyday is pretty stupid for your tennis game.

    I guarantee you don't have racquet speed on your shots and your strokes look like girl scouts trying to roast marsh mellows on a stick. Poke and pull and twist.

    As long as you are having fun, knock yourself out!
     
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    Your condescension is only matched by the utter lack of evidence in any of your posts. How about proving your point before smugly insulting people?
     
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    NTRP? I would say 3.5, 4.0 on a good day. :eek:

    Seriously, It's quite interesting to see a pro practicing against the wall. Tks for the link.
     
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    Hahaha...is this a serious post......ridiculous question.

    Looks like poor Mac, Connors and Borg did not have too many friends to play with back in the day..

    A wall can help you if you are beginner ....thats pretty much it
     
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  36. Nanshiki

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    I haven't hit against a wall for like almost a year and I think it's hurt my game... it's very good to play against a partner who's more consistent than you are.

    You get to hit more balls and you spent a lot less time picking up balls because you hit it too hard.

    Hitting on the wall will help any and all players. But you can't play with JUST the wall and expect to get good.
     
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  37. FXhubby

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    Well, I hit with a KPS 88 strung at 62#. I'm sure you would not last 25 minuts playing with my racket. SO don't be assuming anything until you have prove. But it's ok, I was just giving an imput of what works for myself. I wasn't pretending anything else.
    And it is not bench pressing everyday, you have to target a particular muscle every day and stick to the routine. That is how you maximize gains and stay injury free.
     
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    This is just a really bad post and it shows you have no idea in regards to tennis training Maybe you should checkout Andy Murray's webpage. He does alot of weight training. Is he a hacker? Federer also has mentioned plenty of times that he lifts weights also Agassi weight trained Verdasco does also The fact is you can lift to gain strength and not bulk up if done correctly as for flexibility there is this thing called yoga, seems o work fairly well
     
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    haha, Vince Spadea is awsome!!!
     
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    I was hoping you would come back with something better than this to reply to the idiot's post. Instead you talk about your KPS, because that makes you so much better than a hacker with a tweener:-|
     
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    I hit on the wall every once in a while. It really helps me out with me volleys, and me knee bend..

    With a comment like that i would assume you havnt tried it.
     
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    I know of 2 past #1's in the world who used the wall a lot.
    mac and courier

    I think the wall is very good for volleys. ok for groundies.
     
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  43. Rob_C

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    As a substitute for live hitting, I'd say the wall is detrimental. The times I've had to do it, when I went into my matches, I always felt like there was a noticeable difference in my strokes.

    Now, if its in addition to live hitting, I guess the extra reps could be helpful.
     
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    Hitting on the wall is okay if done properly

    Personally, I'd prefer to hit on the court with a good hitting partner than against a wall (backboard). Even a ball machine would be better. If I didn't have a hitting partner, I'd hit for few hours against a wall. There are a few things I don't like about hitting against the wall:

    #1: The the ball can come back too quickly, causing me not to have a chance for my arm to loosen up between shots: When I was a junior player & would hit for a few hours on the wall, I especially noticed this on volleys (arm would really tighten up after awhile). Therefore, it is best not to overdo things when hitting against the wall. Slow down so you can properly groove things while staying relaxed.
    #2: No chance to see where your shots would actually land on the court: I'd actually prefer using a ball machine as I could see if my cross court running forehand shots are actually landing where I want them to on the other side of the net.
    #3: Sort of related to #1, the way the ball comes back in terms of speed and how the ball bounces can be both erratic and inconsistent, especially if you are a hard hitter.

    Hitting on the wall is my last resort when I have no one to hit with. It is okay for warming up, trying to groove some strokes, etc. However, just as hitting buckets of serves is good for your serve, be careful how you practice. Don't overdo it! When I was in high school, I'd hit buckets of serves for over an hour at the club if I didn't have anyone to hit with. I tore up my shoulder doing that. The club pro said "Your arm is going to fall off!" He was right...
     
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    Yep, I concur. There was an interview with a couple of top doubles teams, I read somewhere, and one of the things some of them liked to do was to hit against the wall in the locker room, just to get the reflexes going for their volleys. The wall probably doesn't work for groundstrokes, but for volleying, I don't see how it can hurt your game. Especially since there is EVIDENCE that a number of top pros are doing so.
     
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  47. tahiti

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    You can add Lendl to the equation, he used to use a garage wall as a young kid.
     
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    Yeah as a young kid!

    I think Lendl ate cornflakes as a young kid, too.

    Stick to the point of thread. Do top pros use the wall? If so let's see the video.

    Of course the wall helps beginers, just like push ups do.

    Benchpressing EVERYDAY is bad for your tennis. Unless you are a hubby and use 88 inch tweener racquets.

    Spadea is a loser. Hitting on the wall is about as helpful to your tennis as wearing stupid trucker caps and sticking toothpicks in your teeth.

    Let's see a McEnroe video hitting on the wall.
     
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  49. Holdfast44ID

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    They don't have to...

    I don't know of any top pros who would do it instead of hitting on a court. IE: It would not be "better" than hitting on a court. It is just an alternative.
     
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    Although I am not a pro, I still hit against the wall regularly, it is the best practice partner. :)
     
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