Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by a529612, Sep 4, 2004.
Apart from Federer and Henman, what other top pros can play S&V?
how many can? over 80%, how many DO, none
Taylor Dent and Henman do regularly. On the women's side i can't think of any S&V players.
Mad Max... The kamikaze artist.
Max is quite fun to watch.
yes goober, you named me two players, and none from the women's side out of thousands. When saying none, I meant virtually none. There are always exceptions, and even Tim Henman has barely been serve volleying in this present US Open.
Henman = allcourter, now, Dent, Mirnyi - they S&V. So does Bjorkman. Rusedski, sometimes. Wesley Moodie. Kiefer plays all-court, but likes to throw in S&V plays on a semi-regular basis, once a game or so. Mario Ancic played pure S&V at Wimby, probably throws it in on other surfaces too once in a while. Mardy Fish can S&V, and should do so, but doesn't, dunno why. He has more success at net, I think. Santoro throws in S&V plays at times. As does Jurgen Melzer. Ivo Karlovic is pure S&V, if only because of his serve. Same with Wayne Arthurs. Philippoussis can throw some S&V in.
...most of those are all-courters that have the S&V in them and use it once in a while. They have the talent to S&V, but can't do so on every point, so do it once every game or so, plus or minus some.
Pure S&V? Mirnyi, Dent, Karlovic, Arthurs, Moodie, maybe Rusedski.
But no, not quite zero. Close, but not zero.
None on the womens side though, none at all.
Besides Federer, Henman, Dent, Mirnyi remember Mark Philippoussis, Wayne Arthurs, Mario Ancic, Greg Rusedski, Paradorn Srichapan, Karlovic, Martin Verkerk, Michael Llodra, Justin Gimelstob and a number of others can still serve and volley quite well. So SV is not dead yet but certainly we see mostly baseline play.
Plus of course the very recently retired Todd Martin and Wayne Ferreira and in the recent past, Sampras, Krajicek, Rafter.
Flipper is a S&V on grass. A/C elsewhere.
I've noticed that Federer doesn't really play that much S&V anymore.
Federer looks like a baseliner to me
I think it's rare to find a pro that is devoted purely to S&V play. But as someone else mentioned, many are capable of playing S&V--but maybe not on a devoted level. I guess it's one thing to be able to make it look good a few times a match, and then another thing to make it look good as your primary strategy.
Until this summer, I would say it's beyond Agassi to play S&V, but his netgame (whenever he uses it) seems to have improved leaps this summer. I found it quite shocking that he was able to string an imposing volley followed by a clean winner volley. But he's obviously not a S&V player and he'll only use it on certain opponents or as a game-finisher. More or less.
Tommy Haas is another player very capable of S&V, but with those groundstrokes, I don't blame him for being on the baseline much of the time. But you would see really clear examples of Haas' ability to S&V in the first two rounds of his match with Mello today. And it was quite imposing and I'll admit, it was a nice changeup that made the match feel quite fresh. But Haas' groundgame gets me pumped as well.
Safin was also showing how scary he can be with the tactic/strategy at the Australian Open this year. At least as long as he doesn't go mental, but it's hard to expect Safin to be anything but....
Some of the devoted Wimbledon players (players that fall off the radar without grass) naturally S&V almost always. Another player I think that's capable of it is Fish, but I'm not gonna try to hype Fish. He's got a long ways to go before he lives up to any of the american media hype that was ever put on his shoulders.
But in the end... I think pure S&V play will become a rarity. Pure baseline play will be more common, but I see pure baseline play being replaced to a large degree with all-court or semi-all-court play in the future. I think the transition game will become a large requirement for 80% of the top pros--whether they S&V or stay on the baseline. Where and when to S&V or stay back will probably become the bigger questions in the future, they're already big questions. I just think it'll be natural for the pro game to demand a more complete and integrated arsenal out of its top Pros as time goes by.
Henman is the best volleyer in the game. I find it really impressive that he is 30 this week and is still floating around the top 5 with a serve and volley game.
He can play on all surfaces and has winning records against most of the top players. He really deserves a slam, and it's really good to see that he can still S&V and beat the best in the game. He also carries the weight of a nation on his shoulders and still comes out on top.
Fair play to him,
Michael Llodra is pretty much pure serve-volley.
Escude plays mostly serve-volley now although I think he is more naturally all-court.
Carraz is also a serve-volleyer
You're all right that those pros SV in varying amounts depending on surface and opponent. But the question was, who "can " SV and all the pros I mentioned and others(I also thought of Haas- good call Chanchai) are pretty good SV's when they do it. The fact that a few still do it all the time and some do it succesfully at times shows that it is still a viable and legitimate style of play. Though I'll be the first to admit that it'd be hard to be a strict SV nowadays with the powerful groundstrokes and returns.
Also a good call on Escude, Guernica. He's pretty athletic and does everything pretty naturally.
It's actually not out of thousands, its out of hundreds. There are obviously S&Vers that aren't good enough for us to know about.
If by artists you would include the culinary arts then Taylor Dent should head the list. But I agree there are few artists lets.
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