How many shoes do pros get?

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  1. Dimitrov

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    Like for example Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic how many shoes do they get per tournament? Because it seems like they never get dirty the next match and when they are practicing haha
     
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    I have a hunch they get at least 4-5 pairs, especially for a major, maybe more then. There was a pic of Fed in his hotel I remember seeing and he had at least 4 pair sitting by his doorway
     
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    those guys get as many as they want
     
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    The real question is: how do they get shoes which are ready to wear? Both Federer and Nadal generally come out with brand new looking shoes. I seriously doubt either of them sit there and clean yesterday's shoes let alone have time to wear new shoes about to break them in.

    I would assume Nike have a guy who looks after Federer/Nadal at the big tournaments who makes sure they have sparkling looking shoes each match... I'd think the most practical way would be to use new ones each time which were broken in somehow with some fancy machine.
     
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    Djokovic is not sponsored by Adidas, so he gets as many as he can buy...
    Nadal and Federer get as many as they want.
     
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    ^ I thought Djoker had a shoe deal with Adi. Apparel from ST, sneakers from Adi.

    This was what I assumed as well, for the really top guys anyway. Michael Jordan used to wear new shoes for every game, so that was at least 82 pairs per year. That didn't even include his other off-court stuff from Nike. I'm sure Rafa/Fed wearing a new pair each match wouldn't be too far-fetched. I've never held player-edition shoes, but I'm also assuming they use a softer material which do not require any breaking-in (plus, they don't need the durability).
     
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    I have heard that a guy like Söderling use about 50 pairs during a season. I also know that a guy ranked in the 200-300 needs about 15-20 pairs for one season
     
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    500 pairs of shoes per year.
     
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    Nadal just tortures them!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NIGcNrDxFw
     
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    Djokovic will not pay for his shoes, not a chance. Even if there is no deal with Adidas, they will give him the shoes, its free advertising and last time I checked he was the best player in the world right now and world number one.
     
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    You "know" that and don't know about pro's paint jobs?

    Lol.
     
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    I think I read on Fed's website that he only uses his shoes for 1 match and then sells them for his fundation, so he must get a lot of shoes.
     
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    Top guys poster boys no doubt they have new shoes on each match, and at least 1 or 2 extra pairs in their bags?
     
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    They typically only use 3 pairs of shoes which they break in at practice session before the tourney, and theyre pros, they hire people to clean them. And Djok buys his own shoes, he dosent get his for free. A recall seeing a pic of his Serbia shoes at Miami which Im assuming are one of two pairs he has for Indian Wells and Miami and all other tourneys. But I recall seeing the bottom of his B6s and the white ring was almost gone, the toe was worn pretty well and the side had some pretty good drag on it. I think the pros prefer a little bit of a worn down feel of the shoe.
     
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    He does buy his own shoes, he does not get them for free. Djok is free to wear what ever he wants to any given match. He could wear an Adidas one match and some Vapors another and for a final... Hell, maybe a pair of CB 3.3s?
     
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    Yeah, I'm almost certain baseline monster called this right. I very much doubt he'd buy the shoes. Adidas would be over the moon to have him still wearing their shoes - it'd be the cheapest endorsement imaginable for a top player to wear your shoes because they prefer them and their clothing sponsor doesn't make performance shoes.

    Cost to Adidas: a couple of dozen pairs of custom coloured shoes
    Benefit to Adidas: everyone seeing him wearing them
     
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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    I presume that no pro player use brand new shoes every match. A shoe is not like a restringing of a frame, a shoe must be broken in and worn a couple of days before being used in action. Imagine the blsiterproblems they would get with constant new shoes..
     
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    Concerning the breaking in part, I'd assume that this is part of the answer.
    Their shoes are so much customised, and exactly fitted to their feet that they probably dont need as much breaking in as a normal retail shoe.
     
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    Actually, he does have the idea of what he's talking about, and most of what he said is correct - Novak can wear any shoes at a match. He has NO deal with Adidas.
    I am sure that Adidas likes free advertisement and would not charge him for the shoes, however, this is just a speculation.
     
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    Shaquille O'Neal once admitted that he would wear brand new shoes for every match because they feel better

    on the other hand, andy murray in one of his grand slam finals wore adidas shoes that were very worn out - a camera close up showed that the shoes had "many court hours" in them (unfortunately couldn't find pictures of them, maybe somebody could post them here)
     
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    I remember that. AO '10 Final vs Fed I believe. The toes of the B6 could not hold up and you can see the outsole was gone there. He is a toe dragger so it didn't help there. But I could say the shoes were not worn out in the beginning of the match. They do not wear too worn out shoes in a match.

    BTW, who is to say the pro shoes needs break in just like the retail ones? They could be softer or being flexed a few hundred time in a machine to be broken in nicely before shipping.
     
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    Where is your source of the claim that Djoker buys his own shoes?

    He is too famous and too smart to advertise for Adidas for nothing. Non sponsored players always wear black out shoes or "off brand" like Asics, not those current model with flashy colors and big logos.
     
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    As recently as 2009, Andy Murray used to wear Adidas on hard courts and Nike on clay and grass.

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    Obviously because his previous clothes sponsor didn't make performance tennis shoes.

    Also, we can't discount that, in his situation, near the end of a contract he wore various brands to try to get their attention. Who knows?
     
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    I remember reading somewhere that the guys who get new shoes all the time usually wear a shoe on the practice courts for a while before wearing that same shoe in a match.

    So they'd have a few pairs that they had tentatively broken in before the tournament starts and wear those the first few matches using them for only one match each then as they practice during the tournament they are using new shoes to be worn in later matches of that tournament.

    "New shoes" each match only in the sense that that shoe hasn't been worn in a match before.

    Maybe I just dreamt that though. Hard to say. I'm a pretty vivid in my dreams.
     
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    Kind of the point... Djokovic is in the same position with Sergio Tacchini.
     
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    There was an interview with Federer at the Australian Open that was on the web from at least a few years back. They were in his apartment and he had like ten pairs of shoes lined up against the wall in one of the rooms. He said he wore them a few times and then would donate/auction them to charity.

    The big names who have shoe contracts almost certainly go thru many more shoes than those who buy their own.
     
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    Anyone that thinks that Novak "buys" his shoes, knows nothing about professional tennis. You don't think he has an agent telling Adidas that they will pay him whatever to wear their shoes, and even if that isn't the case, he is absolutely not paying for them, that is just hilarious to think. Back in the late 80's I got free stuff as a junior, and I wasn't even that highly ranked, much less the #1 player in the world.
     
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    DUring his negotiation with Adidas perhaps... I am surprised that he wore those Nikes just to play to get better terms with Adidas so to speak...

    Again, where are the sources that confirms Djoker is paying for his own shoes??
     
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    I love speculative threads like this.

    A few years ago, I talked to Jan-Michael about this because he left a pair of Prince shoes behind in San Jose that I ended up with (long, boring story). Anyway, he told me that he went through roughly one pair per week, depending on the surface and how many matches he played (singles, doubles, etc). Sometimes he could make a pair last two weeks, but then they kind of annoyed him and he would get a new pair. He usually just left his used ones behind in the hotel room.

    I have also spoken to a few players who do not have shoe contracts, and they buy their shoes from Tennis Warehouse when they are in the US. Those guys have to make them last as long as they can, obviously.

    Obviously, player contracts are all different, but one pair a week for most players is not too far off, and the Federers, Roddicks, Nadals, etc, can get what they need from their sponsors.
     
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    I think Djokovic may indeed has some kind of deal with Adidas, why is he wearing them outside the court and not only to play tennis?

    Casual shoes

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    Jogging shoes:

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    Head Ad:

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    Wrawinka is a similar case, when he changed to Lacost, he kept using Adidas shoes and always the last season colorways and models.
     
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    As a recipient of free shoes in another industry, I can assure you that you do not need to sign any deals to get them.
     
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    7. The odd one can be a left or a right, pro's choice.
     
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    Yup. And anybody who thinks top pro actually shops at TW paying full retail for those shoes are from lala land.

    Even small time athletes get shoes at discounts simple by the volume they will need in a full year.
     
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    Yep. I don't know any details of that business but it's just common sense:

    Adidas is the second-biggest sportswear manufacturer in the world with a revenue of 12 billion dollars.
    Djokovic is currently the bester tennis player on the planet by a significant margin. Federer and Nadal have always been with Nike. Obviously Adidas would give a hell lot to get the remaining superstar to wear their shoes.
    I mean, how much could that possibly cost. Even if he gets new shoes for every match and we assume a retail price of 100$. With not more than 100 matches per year, that would be ~10,000$. That's a lot of money for guys like me, but peanuts for Adidas. They probably pay a lot more for a few seconds commercial on TV. Getting the best player in the world to win his matches with their shoes for one entire year with millions of people all around the world watching is worth way more than 10k$...
     
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    Sure he may get his shoes free but he is not obligated to wear Adidas, he can wear what ever he wants
     
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    Why would Djok shop at TW? He can get them from adidas. That comment made no sense at all. He probably dosent even know what Tennis Warehouse is.
     
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    LOL, calling TW for shoes, "Yes hello TW it's Novak, do you have any size 10's left, no? well when they come in could you please hold a couple for me, I have the US Open series coming up, I'm gonna need some new ones, thanks."
     
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    He also read threads on how to beat Rafa and Fed on TW. That's how he did it.
     
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    Are you 100% sure about this? how do you know? Not trying to argue with you I am just interested to find out what is really going on. I can see that maybe guys like Gasquet or Stepanek don't have deals with Asics or Nike, but I do not think this is the case with Djokovic. I mean didn't Djokovic included in his deal with Head to become the Head Dist in Serbia? I do not see a guy like this doing free advertising.
     
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    I actually am a 100% sure that he has nothing signed with adidas that obligates him to wear them (at this point). He can wear any color or combo of them he wants and he can wear any other shoe on the court.
    Murray is a good example of someone sponsored by adidas (shoes).
    It is our pure speculation how he gets his shoes - pays for them or gets them for free.
    Where did you get the info that he is a Head distributor in Serbia?
     
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    She wasnt referring to top pros, she was most likely referring to a few guys she knows that play(ed) Futures. These guys probably never got any pts, or if they did, only a few, so they would need to stretch their dollars. As such, they likely dont have any sponsors, they might be able to get discounts on rackets & strings, maybe even shoes & clothing.

    Andy Gerst would be an example.
     
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    Ok, and this is based on your experience or do you have any confirmation of this from a third party? I also thought that he did not have any contract (for one it is not listed in his webpage as an sponsor) - but then I wonder why he uses it everywhere. I heard the Head Distribution thing from TV commentators when the change happened, they also said that his family may be involved int he Serbia Open? I honestly have no idea if any of this is really true.
     
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    The Serbia Open thing is true.
    I only wear Asics because I love the fit and feel and am not sponsored by them... He cut the ties with adidas when he signed with ST.

    I have not heard about the head thing, may be true though.
     
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    No, I was referring to Challenger level/Top 100 players, including one or two from Israel, and another who is currently trying to get back on tour after a pretty long injury layoff. But just because I chased down a UPS truck to find that delivery doesn't mean anyone has to believe me. After all, I have such a history of posting incorrect information on this forum. :roll: Who is Andy Gerst?

    Getting a discount from TW is or was a benefit of paying ATP dues. That info used to be posted on the ATP website, but it was taken down when they revamped the website. I know I quoted it and posted it on this forum about 2-3 years ago, but I can't be bothered to go searching for it.


    As for Novak and the Serbia Open, his family owns the tournament, I think his Uncle is the Tournament Director.
     
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    My bad, thought you were referring to guys you know that were playing Futures here & there.

    Andy Gerst is an ex-TW employee who left to play Futures & money events. He's gotten a few ATP pts.

    He has a blog here http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=334635
     
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    Well I know companies like Wilson offer package deals to semi pro tourny players don't they? They got a nice wholesale price on several rackets, bags, and strings. University players can get shoes directly from Nike/Adidas at good prices thru the school programs.
     
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    I wonder how they get used to all those shoes they have like the next day....because it takes me like 2 days till I can get used to my shoes.
     
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    I would think that, If you always use new shoes you get use to new shoes. The reason new shoes need a break in is because you come from wear down shoes, on the other hand (and in the case of the top guys) the get special shoes built to suit their comfort.
     
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