How much are the Full Time Tennis Academies?

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  1. barringer97

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    Let's say Bollettieri's IMG academy (or the other big ones) for a full time High School student?
     
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    Why don't you look on their websites for their prices?
     
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    I looked on IMG's and I didn't see it. The places that I searched said "contact us." This is probably the best place to ask, I'm guessing people here would have a rough estimate.

    Their 3 week summer camps are $5k though...
     
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  4. chalkflewup

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    I'd figure on $60K per year.
     
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    $68,640.

    Yikes.
     
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    Agree. Not my price range either. You' ve gotta understand they also attract Sheiks', billionaires', tennis federation's kids, etc from around the world who can afford the tuition.
     
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    I guess it's similar to the big boarding schools though (Deerfield, Berwick Academy, Phillips Andover, Phillips Exeter Academy,etc.)
     
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    Hahahahah.. I remember when I wanted to do that academy.. 5 minutes ago. ( ._.)
     
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    Depending on the kid's goal. For my children, I'd rather save that kind of money for the top colleges they'll go.
     
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    ^Yeah, the money thing doesn't "pencil out" when you spend $70k to get a full ride that saves you $50k.
     
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    I'm out of the loop, what do you hear are the better camps?
     
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  13. 10ismom

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    ^^^We like Evert a lot. An acquaintance once told me she liked Bollettieri for her daughter. The old thread below, you will find several people recommended Nick Saviano, Solomon, Rick Macci, and many others.
    I also saw an ad on Tennis Channel that Sanchez-Casal academy is now in Naples.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6303522#post6303522

    Hope this is helpful.
    Chalk might have more insight about academies in FL.
     
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  14. barringer97

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    Thank you!
     
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  15. tennisconsultcom

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    For that money you can hire Robert Lansdorp or Elliott Teltscher :)
     
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    If you want a great deal and you're looking for fun, lots of good hits, check out Bill Clark Tennis Academy. He has a summer program and always has a lot of kids. He's sent tons of players on to college. He's in Cooper City about 30 minutes South of Evert.
     
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  18. 10ismom

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    I saw several "from Spain to Naples" ads during last week Wimbledon.......unless I remembered the name wrong.
     
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  19. tennisconsultcom

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    Before you send your kid to a tennis academy, just ask yourself, why? Why does your tennis player need a tennis academy?
    Read this article please. It is about how to choose a right tennis academy for a player.
    http://wp.me/p2iyrR-3A
     
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  20. t135

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    I saw them too. Weren't they previously in Boca?
     
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    Still not sure why parents would send a kid to something like this. Hampers their education and the odds of going pro (and making a career out of it) are one in a zillion.

    When I was a kid I played golf with a girl who was good enough to be on the boys' high school team. After college she won the Nancy Lopez award for best amateur woman golfer in the world. Then she injured herself in her second year on tour and retired. Now she sells flooring.
     
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  22. chalkflewup

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    I heard Stan Smith's place does a solid job with education but I suspect it differs from academy to academy.
     
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    Yes, you have a lot of people training at Smith-Stearns there in Hilton Head, SC. They completely blew Van der Meer out of the water, as literally almost every good player down there has switched to Smith-Stearns.
     
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    That is interesting question. I guess these are some possibilities:
    1. The player is really gifted by nature. He is born for tennis. His results are some of the best in his age division in the country and he definitely needs to have a highly qualified tennis coach and fitness trainer. He and his family want to see him become top 10 in the world.
    2. The player is pretty good. He likes to play tennis and has good results. Both he and you dream about a professional career.
    3. The kid likes to play and asks you to send him to a tennis academy (actually he just wants to leave the house and his parents). He is a teenager and you are glad to send him away.
    And here is always possibility for college tennis.
     
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    I would suggest taking your time and finding a good, energetic, knowlegeable private coach to work with your kids rather than a super expensive academy.
     
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    Yes, it is always better. TA in most cases good only for really good players, and these players have individualized programs and huge discounts (often play for free). And they are used for promotion of course.

    Also TA help to find a scholarship for their players. Most of them are really good in that.
     
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    We are not an IMG family.

    But...........but..........the value of D1 tennis is not only tuition, room and board. (I know the Ivies do not give scholys to cover this) It also includes free equipment, travel, training room/medical and "lessons".

    I think I read somewhere that the true value of a D1 scholy to a top school is about $90k per year if you include tuition, room and board, equipment, travel, training room/medical, and "lessons", whether "group" or "private". Can't find it right now. So if anyone wants to call me on this I will not be able to prove it.

    But I think lots of posters should be able to appreciate the concept and value of free coaching, travel, training room/medical, and equipment.
     
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  31. barringer97

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    Here's another question:

    3 weeks at IMG during the summer for $5k

    Or

    6 weeks at your basic Nike Tennis Camp (let's say Stanford Nike Tennis Camp)

    I believe that would be similar cost.
     
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  32. tennisconsultcom

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    To get this a player (especially) a boy should be very competitive like 5 stars, top 200 ITF level, at least. And think if tennis 20+ hours a week in college will help him/her to be a good student.

    Too many "coaches" with BA in Economics, Political Science, etc. work as coaches because they were not able to get a good job after college. Actually, this is one of a reason of bad situation in American tennis. Coaches have to coach not "economists".
     
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  33. Soianka

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    None of the above.

    Unless you are just sending the child to camp for fun rather than tennis development.

    If it is for tennis development, you're better off spending the money on private lessons with a very good coach.
     
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  34. tennisconsultcom

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    That's right. Tennis camps have nothing with a tennis player's development. They are for fun and socializing.
     
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  35. 10ismom

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    I cannot comment on the 2 camps OP asked. There are places that offer developmental camp which a kid works 1:1 with a specific coach as well. If you know somebody, you can request for a particular coach (which we did) who has a record of developing very good juniors or pros. For the group drills, your child will have a chance to hit with very good players that can be from anywhere in the US or even other countries.
    If you choose a right camp with a right coach, it can help develop your player. It's not for everyone but in barringer97's case, he saves tons of money teaching his child all year so money spent for another coach/camp might be worth it.
     
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    On the money....

    But, take it a step forward.
    Why can't the young tennis man get a good job out of college even with their BA in Economics.
    Besides, the fact that he doesn't have the same GPA as the kids who study all the time,
    he is missing the summer work experience from high school and college.

    So, while he was playing tournaments during the summer,
    the other boy was interning for free during the high school summer, and then either working or interning again during the summer in college.
    All those work experiences add up in this economy and lead to a job...

    That is the dirty secret of playing tennis during the summer...
     
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    Ask any parent of a college age student about work experience.
    I am the parent of a college student and can attest to the fact that summer work experience is instrumental in securing a job.
    But, why don't you do your own homework instead calling my comments " garbage".
    Of course, you were one of the posters who said the same thing when I tried to tell folks about the 2014 changes before the March vote.
    That also was garbage and a dirty secret when I tried to get folks to call their sectional office. Nice.
     
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    No one is debating internships. Your generalization and assumption is that tennis coaches with BA's in Economics were goofing off playing tennis in the summer and not interning. Thus, the reason they are tennis coaches.

    On your other remark, that's not what happened. But you can try to throw out the distraction in the face of what you've said here.
     
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    He started it by blaming "a reason of bad situation in American tennis" on "Too many "coaches" with BA in Economics, Political Science, etc". Said nothing about internships.

    Pretty far fetched premise. I'd call it something else but for the sake of civility will not.

    This entire post is assumptive.
     
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  42. tennisconsultcom

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    I have never said that playing tennis in college is a bad decision. I just wanted to make some parents and students to think twice about college tennis and compare pros and cons. For many foreign students tennis scholarship is only a chance to get university degree in America. I know many kids from Russia and Belarus who studied in American universities and played college tennis. Many Americans have a different situation with that. I wrote an article about that http://wp.me/p2iyrR-6x
    About some tennis coaches with B.A. in completely different areas (not tennis coaching). Some of them prefer to become tennis coaches. I am sure that some of them are able to become good tennis coaches, but not many ones. They did not studied appropriate disciplines like sports science, physiology, anatomy, etc.
    Qualification of an average tennis coach in US is lower than in many eastern European countries (there to become a tennis coach you should go to a college for 4-5 years). There is another reason why American tennis players lost their dominance in the world and why most of good players in American colleges are foreigners.
     
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    Tennisconsultcom : Is English your first language? Your poor sentence structure and grammar make it difficult to understand what you are trying to say.
     
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    Regardless, he must know coaching. Seen him do it (in native language) when his kid played mine last year, didn't help :).
     
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    I do not know tennis coaching and I have never coached a kid :)
     
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    So, from your answer I would assume (since the cost the same), the Nike camp at 6 weeks?

    It's summer camp, so yes, it's more for fun, socializing, and more important, babysitting. :)


    Basically, if I live in San Francisco, I'm better off just dropping my kid off at Stanford University then flying them out to Florida for an overpriced IMG camp.Especially considering it's roughly half the cost.

    Do most people agree with this?
     
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    If a particular Nike camp has weeks for ranked/tournament players then younger kids can benefit from 1-2 weeks, especially as a first time overnight camp experience. Older/better kids should look elsewhere. Usually many of them congregate to one place locally, you just need to find out where. Or if the price is not an issue IMG/Evert will gladly take your money and offer right competition.
     
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    Why was my post deleted? That's really cool...
     
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    For the money, camps are for high level head bashing, along with high level observation by interested professionals who offer a useful presence amidst the head bashing by the students.
     
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    What? It's nothing, let's add it up. Most parents don't have $50,000 just lying around so you'd have to go on the payment plan. Since the kid is young he'll be boarded.

    Boarding pymt plan: $54,870
    Additional fees (total): $4020
    High school tuition: $18,735
    No upgraded housing for the little b*stard: $0
    Tuition insurance, sport: $2607
    Tuition insurance, school: $454

    BOTTOM LINE: $80,686 / year

    No problem! If he wants his own bedroom you're looking at $100,000 though.
     
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