How much does grunting bother you?

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  1. Brian11785

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    I've never played against anyone whose grunting bothered me. But there is this guy at my club whom you can hear from across the complex. I've seen him. He makes the same obnoxious noise on every shot....including slices and drop shots. The guy needs a good talking to.
     
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    Farting bothers me a bit more than grunting.
     
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    Grunting is bad enough, but what's more distracting is when a player says almost nothing on her good shots, then goes "OH", or "NO", when she hits a ball that is not what she meant to hit.
     
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  4. Topslice

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    Guy in my club grunts and it sounds like sex noises. Doubles player said at the change of ends. Has he not finished yet?
     
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  5. AtomicForehand

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    I've honestly ever played only ONE grunter, and he was totally doing it for gamesmanship. His grunts would come long after the ball left his racquet and as it was about to encounter yours. I called him on his dooshbaggery and he did stop after I told him I was going to claim hindrance.

    Guy was a shrink in real life! Jayzus.
     
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    I have only played one fellow that noticeably grunted. No one like playing with him because every single shot was accompanied with blood curdling scream like grunts.

    However, one day I agreed to play a social match against "herb". He stops his service motion mid toss to yell at me for distracting him. He is upset because as he was getting ready to toss I was spinning my racket in my hands. Flabbergasted, I simply walked off that court and found another group for doubles.
     
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    Zero!

    I've always liked the fact that sports provides a platform to imitate life with offering the challenges of perseverance over obstacles, and the ability to fight against all odds.

    I come from a background of more "aggressive" sports where trash talk and purposeful distractions are all part of the game (Hoop, Football). I love tennis, but hate the "country club" etiquette that always painted it as a "wimp" sport in the eyes of other athletes.

    If a player can't get over some noise and distractions, a player is weak...end of sentence. I regularly play with a good group of 4.0-5.0's in a city park with dogs barking, skaters, helicopters above, sirens, bums, etc, etc....focus and block it out...you can always tell when a country clubber stops by...they leave frustrated and on the tail end of a straight set beat down.

    Trust me, me and my buddies respect the "tradition" of etiquette, but some of the most fun matches we play is amongst good friends when "trash talk" is not only allowed, but encouraged.
     
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    Yeah, but you also wear your baseball cap sideways, your short's down showing your buttcrack, you wear converse black allstars, you have multiple tattoos all over your body, and you drive a low rider....
     
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    It doesn't really bother me, although I think most grunting/screetching is totally uneccesary.
     
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    The only grunter I've EVER played was a man. And I'm a woman, and play 95% of my matches against other women.

    So why do you think 100% of grunters are men?
     
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    We have a guy like that yelling "Noooo" that can be heard from 3 courts over and I did give him a tell about it.

    I've also had an "Yes" and "No" guy during a match last year and that was the only time I've lost to that person (I think that he got the mental edge, b/c everything seemed to be about him). Disclaimer: the bad balls were a bigger factor, b/c after about 40 minutes of play ( plus a very long warmup) I couldn't hit winners with them anymore, they were dead...The next few times I've brought new balls (Slazengers and it was a masacre).
     
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  12. Fintft

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    Exactly my point. That girl admitted that she was trying to accompany even her soft shots (on short balls) with shrieks, "encouraging" them to be winners ....

    Now as I've lost almost all my hearing in my right ear during military service, I hesitate even more in a situation like that ( same when someone says something and I can't hear well; I basically stop to listen).
     
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    I think it is hilarious when you get the yellers who scream at themselves in third person on unforced errors. Pure comedy.
     
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    Grunter checking in here. Loud and proud!!

    If it improves your play go for it. If it distracts the opponent, grunt louder to take advantage of deficiencies in their mental game.
     
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    This is a great response. I think the issue is that people develop neuroses after being lulled for years by the etiquette. So the gamesmanship catches them off guard.

    I still think it is a tightrope, though. Toying with your opponent's mental fragility is one thing, but it's been my experience that those that employ these methods to gain a competitive advantage also tend to not be the most honest line-callers.
     
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    I hate grunting.. it's cheating, it's disrespectful and it very unattractive. I hate the fact that all of the little girls are taught to mimic their professional heroes and scream "COME ON!!!!! like little idiots, while pumping their fist, exactly mimicking Serena.

    I despise the football like mentality of the spectators and parents who argue over every call and try to out do each other by seeing who could scream the loudest. I hate the coaches who do the same thing during a match. My daughter hates all of it to. The only thing I like about junior girls tennis is watching my daughter play with class and kick the little primidona's asses.

    Tennis used to attract a higher caliber of person. Now it's just another sport full of buffoons.

    Having said all of that, I completely understand that the above descriptions apply to only a small percentage of players and spectators but it's enough to ruin an otherwise great time.
     
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    Unfortunately the response you think is great is the problem. The mentally of the sport has been lowered to football like levels. How can that be a good thing? It's embarrassing. I believe it's a result of a dumbed down educational system along with poor parenting.

    The "country club" etiquette that you and he despise is what made it a respectful sport because educated and accomplished people understand decorum. Football fans haven't advanced beyond the neanderthal stage. We need more respect, more decorum and more basic commonsense. Keep your beer hats to yourselves.:)
     
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    Is this satire or are you really that big of an elitist *****?

    Tennis is for everyone, smart or dumb, wealthy or poor, quiet or loud. Plus, when I'm on the court I put water in my beer hat. It really helps me stay hydrated late into the third set.
     
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    NO.
    It's all relative. Are you really that big of a nincompoop?

    Yes, apparently you are that big of a nincompoop based on your comprehension of my comments calling for more respect, more decorum and more basic commonsense.


    I can easily believe that.
     
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    While I agree with all of your points, there is also the hindrance factor, which to me is even bigger.
     
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    And you can keep your poor-people jokes, your $1000 bottles of scotch, your "pinky out" tea parties and your clutched-to-death pearls.
     
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    I think chess players should start grunting as well, ya know to take advantage of their opponents mental deficiencies.
     
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    ^^^^
    Sorry to butt in your conversation, but to me, it's a hindrance and not about liking or not liking the sounds (i.e. grunting, shrieking etc).
     
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    Man in chess is even considered gamemanship if you slap pieces down, on the board etc. Or if you pick your nose or make any kind of noise that might disturb your opponent's thinking/focus.
     
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    I wouldn't waste my pucker on a $1000 bottle of scotch. I prefer The Macallan 60 Years Old in Lalique which costs $1000 per shot.
     
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    That's what I have in my beer hat right at this moment. Goes down smooth.
     
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    I don't normally perform any unsavory acts like that during chess. Because I'm educated and accomplished I understand decorum and etiquette. I only yell 'Come On' with a fist pump any time I take a pawn.
     
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    +1

    But I have played next to someone, whose grunting/shrieking, did distract me. And, go figure, it was a junior. They hear it, see it, emulate it...from the TV.

    I simply cannot stand to hear it on TV (and, thus, haven't watched a WTA or Ferrer match in I-don't-know-how-long).

    And sure, we all grunt when we truly expend an energy...and I hope...I've hit a shot difficult enough for my opponent that they have to grunt...to try to make a play on it.

    But grunting, shrieking, yelling, whatever, just for the sake of it....nah, not needed. Will it distract me? Probably not. Will I be ticked? Probably. But I consider that, eh, par for the course.

    Good question, Cindy. Next.
     
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  29. Fintft

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    ^^^
    I get distracted if it happens just as I am about to hit a ball, or during....
     
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    I do it and i wish I didnt. It is a very hard habit to break if you grow up doing it!
     
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    I don't mind playing against grunters but having a grunter on the next court bothers me... Nothing like a loud grunt just as you're tossing a ball for a serve.
     
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    There is no reason for grunting. It is merely a bad habit and disrupts others as they play. There should be a warning given and then if the player continues doing it "loudly" then he should be asked to leave the courts ( if playing at a club). IMHO.
     
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    Hi Mike,

    Great to see you here. I hope the older players understand this.. :). As I get older, I do seem to grunt a bit more than I ever did. It has nothing to do with gamesmanship.. etc. The grunting I seem to make is that same sound your dad or granddad makes when he is getting out of a chair after sitting for a while.. LOL. A few weeks back someone commented that they had never heard me grunt before.. I said.. I was never this old, beat-up or in this much pain before. Give us older folks a break. Yes.. the teaching pros are teaching grunting these days.

    Have a great one..
     
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    The couple of grunters I've played against have been hilarious but annoying at the same time. They grunt when they have finished their swing and the ball is approximately above the net.
    Ridiculous. After a while you do get used to it and it stops being a distraction. Still a very cynical tactic.
     
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  35. tennis tom

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    Duct Tape !
     
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    Clubs like that do exist. Although if you want to join one you might want to stock up on collared white shirts and take out a second mortgage on the house to cover initiation fees.
     
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    age ma be a factor. I now find myself grunting to put on my socks.....

    sometimes even to stand up if I have been sitting awhile.....
     
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    That is simply an inaccurate statement. Grunting helps tighten the core and provides additionally stability and strength for when it is needed. There is a reason you see grunting in just about every sport except synchronized swimming. If you are completely opposed to grunting maybe that is the sport you should try.
     
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    Grunt all you want, no issues here.
     
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    Female rec GOATs don't grunt....
     
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    Grunting does not bother me.

    I grunt, well I use to grunt. I tried something different last night; I just exhauled. No noise, just breathing out when I make contact with the ball. I found I was much more relaxed and not as tense I was when grunting.
     
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    I, too, hate watching grunters. Playing them isn't as irritating. But, it's still annoying.

    The thing is, a player learns a great deal by the sound of the opponent's impact. Grunting masks it. So, I don't like it; but it's probably an argument for it.
     
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    Yeah...for me it is NEVER cheating or gamesmanship...in a real match it is simply effort and not giving a crap what I look or sound like...it's getting that fuzzy ******* back over the net and putting it away!

    With friends, and for FUN...trash talking is a blast.
     
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    The "etiquette" came out of it being a SPORT OF LEISURE played by rich privileged elite, who wore PANTS FOR CHRIST SAKE!

    "The mentally of the sport has been lowered to football like levels. How can that be a good thing"...are you for real.....again, I LOVE tennis, I can take or leave football...but trust me, I've played both and TENNIS ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!

    The point was STOP WHINING...the only embarrassing thing about tennis is everyone assuming you're an uptight little twit if you play...it's as annoying as someone like you stereotyping football players as "neanderthals" when I can quickly rip off the names of 10 former Basketball and Football Playing Congressmen, Presidents, business leaders, Doctors, Lawyers, Etc....but I struggle to do the same with former high level tennis players. Stay in your little sheltered country club world..it makes the world less scary.
     
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    If you need to grunt in chess, then god bless you, I imagine you have a medical condition...after all their is NO COMPARISON between a physical sport and a mental game fool. Nice analogy.
     
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    I strongly disagree with this comment. You must not be above a 4.0.

    If golfers had to run back and forth and hit a ball fully stretches with split second reactions I can assure you they would be some that would grunt
     
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  47. HRB

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    Exactly....I certainly don't wanna be on a court with someone whose groundies are as easy and relaxed as a golf swing? If my shirt isn't soaked with sweat after a match then the tennis sucked, on the other hand if my shirt is soaked with sweat after golf I have a medical condition! LOL.
     
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    Good point, Tanas. Historically, it was never a part of the game until Sharapova. Now, we see it a lot. What irks me is the added emphasis on forcing shots. Of course someone could say that this is just because of the added effort, but I think that in many cases the intent is to put an exclamation point on what would already be a fine shot.
     
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    I play most of my tennis indoors, where noise from other courts is amplified. but, I cannot remember a time when I heard others grunting, or was bothered by grunting.

    I wonder if during televised games, if the grunting seems extra loud due to the microphones placed at various places on the court?
     
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    huh? Total BS. I take it you never watched tennis before Sharapova then. Anybody who watched tennis a decade before Sharapova ever showed up could instantly identify Monica Seles by her signature grunting.
     

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