How Much Has Federer Declined From His Prime

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How Much Has Federer Declined?

  1. A lot. Roger Federer in 2004-2007 was fluid & explosive. He's just not the same.

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  2. A little. He may have lost a half a step, but that's it.

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  3. He hasn't declined at all, the competition is just much tougher.

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  4. He's a BETTER player now. It's just that he played in a weak era.

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  1. NatF

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    Watching the 2008 USO Semi with Federer and Djokovic, Mcenroe is saying how the mono has affected Federer's movement during the year. Says that's why his forehand has been off...
     
  2. DropShotArtist

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    Mono totally ruined 2008 for Fed and gave Nadal the break he needed to break through. Proof? Compare Fed's peak year stats to 2008.
     
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    I think Nadal might have still broken through. Impossible to know seeing as we can't know what his form might have been like without it.
     
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    Is a 9-7 victory in the dark over a mono affected Fed really a breakthrough?
     
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    I think his confidence was the main factor in that match.
     
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    I dunno, confidence seems more like a systematic win enabler. He barely won it. 9-7 in the 5th is more about luck I'd say. Specially against a guy not at 100%.
     
  7. mike danny

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    the competition may have gotten tougher but his age is not helping him at all. had he been 25 i am sure he would have done better
     
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    Federer played well in that match though, he just sucked at converted break points (which is not unusual) and he was choking for the first t sets. I think he came out nervous and that's what cost him. Rafa played him close in 07 anyway so it's not like it was a fluke win.
     
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    Federer said in a BBC interview at 2008 Wimbledon that was fine by the start of the clay-court season. The same Federer reached the 2008 Wimbledon final without dropping a set, had won Halle, played a good clay-court season, and most importantly of all, played the matches so was officially fit to play.

    2007 Federer was losing to players like Canas (twice), Volandri and Gonzalez, so why all the fuss over him losing to Djokovic, Roddick, Fish and Stepanek in 2008?
     
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    He lost alot more in 2008, his record versus top 10 opponents was far weaker than before too. He started losing more in 2007 but 2008 was a marked drop from even that.
     
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    Didn't Federer also say he's playing better than ever now? What's your point.
     
  12. Bobby Jr

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    Federer at his best is still basically as good as ever. It's his average level of play which has declined.

    His sub-par days seem to come more often.

    My bet is he will have some periods (3-4 months) still in his career where he plays amazing tennis and reminds us he's not quite done yet. His extended breaks in-season seem to be scheduled specifically with that in mind.

    The icing on his career from now on will come from winning titles, not holding his ranking.
     
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    Yeah, it only took watching his tennis to see that he wasn't back to his best during that period - regardless of his results. He was being nice for the interview.

    As DropShotArtist says above, taking everything these guys say as gospel is a double edged sword where you can easily find a quote to suit your argument when you want, and dispel others when you don't.
     
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    In 2007, Federer had a w/l record of 68-9.

    In 2008, Federer had a w/l record of 66-15.

    Now, in 2007 he played Rafa 5 times and won 3 of them. In 2008 he played Rafa 4 times and won 0.

    If Rafa was in 2008 form in 2007, No way would he be losing in Hamburg and he would probably take WImbledon as well because Fed played at the same level in both the WIM08 and WIM07 finals. YEC, probably would still win that one, but let's just say for argument's sake that Rafa winning WIM07 gave him the confidence and dented Federer's, so Rafa wins the YEC match as well.

    Federer's 2007 record all of a sudden becomes 65-12. = 84%

    2008 it was 81.5%.

    Factor in Fed's mono affecting his early part of 2008 and you'd actually have to say Fed was playing just as well in 2008 as he was in 2007 from the clay season onwards.

    The only difference was that Rafa was a lot tougher to beat on all other surfaces as well.

    Once the clay season started in 2008 these are the people Fed lost to:

    MC - Rafa
    Rome - Stepanek
    Hamburg - Rafa
    RG - Rafa
    WIM - Rafa
    Toronto - Simon
    Cincy - Karlovic
    Olympics - Blake
    Madrid - Murray
    WTF - Simon & Murray

    So, Karlovic on a fast surface, winning a set 6-4 and losing 2 tight TBs is a sign of decline?

    Stepanek on clay was also 2 tight TBs.

    Simon was his first match after WImbledon. Rafa took his crown, THAT's what affected his form, not some magical decline. It's also probably responsible for his losses to Karlovic and Blake. After he won the doubles Gold, he got his confidence back again and only lost to Murray for the rest of the season and also Simon. Blake had a walkover so we can't count that as a loss...

    Let's compare to 2007:

    IW and Miami he lost to Canas. LOL and people are complaining about losing to Fish and Roddick in 2008 who are better players?

    He lost to Volandri in Rome who is a worse player than Stepanek...

    Lost to Nalbandian in Madrid, the argument can be made that he's equally as tough as Murray who Fed lost to in Madrid 2008.

    Lost to Nalbandian in Paris. But before that match had a tight 3 setter with ... Ivo Karlovic...

    Lost to Gonzalez in YEC who is worse player than Murray. Simon in 2008 YEC was an additional loss at that tournament but Simon always plays well against Federer, who knows what would've happened if Simon in YEC2008 form played Fed in YEC in 2007.

    Conclusion: If Fed lost WIM 07 all the fed turds would be saying 2007 was his decline. He started losing to guys like Canas (two weeks in a row), Volandri & Gonzalez. From 04-06 he would never be losing to those guys. But because he won WImbledon in 2007 and lost in 2008, 2008 is therefore his decline according them. Too funny.
     
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  15. maverick1981

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    since it seems all about slams these days...an argument can be made that feds decline started long ago, however that is for a guy like Fed. most players seldom get the chance at a slam, let alone win a few. Its tough to say

    its hard to deny that his style of play has changed significantly. Fed has been hitting so short lately, hitting ineffective short chip backhands, and his serve has fallen off. Works against essentially almost all players, but not the rest of the top.
     

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