How serious are we ??

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  1. Bash and Crash

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    Bravo needs to start a show called Tennis Dads........
     
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    I would LOVE a show like that!!!!
     
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    Tennis Moms might be more interesting. :razz:

    There is a woman who is the equivalent of Abby Lee in the tennis world -- if anyone has seen Dance Moms.

    It's Patricia Jensen (mom of Murphy and Luke) -- very similar to Abby Lee in looks and attitude.
     
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    You've done it with nearly every tournament. I won't list them. So there, nanny nanny boo boo.

    I'm not saying your position is wrong, and I'm not saying BB is right. It's just the same old argument for the last 4-5 years. And you make good points about college. We know your being realistic in your own way. But BB knows the risk reward model here. Lord knows you've beat it into him.

    Like telling someone they won't win the lottery, you'll probably be right. Then again maybe BB has the lottery ticket. Let it play out. You can type your fingers off and it won't change anything.
    Let it go man.

    BTW. Tennis parents have nothing on Hockey parents. If there was a show Hockey parents would get produced first.
     
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    Well, you'd never see this on the Hockey Parent show:

    "My kid has a 5.2 GPA (weighted), with 2400 SATs, and 37 AP courses that were started in middle school. And it's not because the kid is so smart, it's the way I taught"
     
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    Sounds like some of the kids I've taught.........2300 on SAT is complete failure to some around here
     
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    Yeah. Those 2300 kids should play hockey
     
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    If the challengers are correct at that age that is solid as for 14 and semi's are you sure of that age and result , i believe it was 17 , I could be wrong but let me check , the age I am seeing on the Jr.GS is 17 ,made 3rd round at French Jr. at 16 turning 17 , but no grand slam wins as a jr

    BTW doubt he is at his ceiling he has put on 12 pounds since Dec .and will be fine , what you dont understand is when you have a player putting on size and weight you will have solid results but when developing physically it can cause many problems in tournaments and anyone who has a kid that has grown a lot understands that .

    Will just have to see
     
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    LOL.

    How do you come up with these things?

    Says who?

    Anyway....isn't the boy 16 right now anyway?
     
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    He just does , plain and simple ,

    we when a futures or 2 this year what will be said heres my guess ,the field was weak , most of the players were burnt out , maybe the players he played were sick ! on and on

    I just hope for his sake if he wants his girl to go pro he comes up with a game plan that has goals , milestones, but if results are what determine it good luck to him .

    Remeber this is the guy that said one of the top recruits "D1"in the nation at 16 would go to a D2 college.
    Pointed at Boluda as the next top ATP player cause he Le Petite

    also said DB would get crushed by the players from Europe who were raised on clay yet when DB met one of their top clay court player left him in tears on the court .

    He has his opinion
     
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    You know it. No matter what DB does, TCF will keep raising the bar. I and others know you're not point chasing and trying to win the king of the small pond championships. He just keeps on saying the same old thing over and over and over and...................

    Now you on the other hand. You need to stop falling for it.

    What am I Dr. Phil?
     
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    Boulda, Boulda, Boulda, Boulda, Boulda.

    D2, D2, D2, D2, D2.
     
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    Coach #1: How are your player's serve and forehand developing? I don't think he can make it counter punching. How do you make the transition from counter puncher to aggressive all courter? Are you willing to sacrifice some wins to go to a more offensive style? Are you willing to bring someone is just as a consultant to work on a more aggressive game plan? I'm serious.
     
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    OK. You now admit that you have never been able to predict who will be a money making pro before they were 15-17. Predict before, not in hindsight. But you can predict who won't make it. That's tough to do.

    I've never been on board with any of BB's predictions and have recommend him against making them and any excuses.

    I do like how he's laser focused on trying to help DB improve everyday.

    That's all.
     
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    I would agree with you on the second part strategy but that is being gained Every-time he steps on the court , this is something I said we would be lacking cause of lack of chasing points , these other kids out there from all there tournaments which has usually in some cases has doubled our schedule will have this advantage but like anything I am sure now that he is more mature these things will be learned quickly and we are way ahead physically .

    I believe his play at the OB was strategy wise was horrible but he could still mow through some of the best kids from around the globe because we have focused on the more important part .

    Try this with your daughter get a weight vest and have her do her same workout if its 1 hr or 2 don't take it off the whole time add just 6 lbs see how she holds up through the whole workout also if you can find some shoes that add 2 inches to her height once again make her play the whole time and tell me how she does .Then you will have and idea of what we go through but we still put wins up !!!
     
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    do they have different scoring system in Mexico? According to ITF site the score was 5-7 6-3 5-7 (btw. good result, very close match). Given that score - how is it possible to have a match point, lose it, --and-- "then came out in the 3 rd crushing the ball and lost the match , 7 5 in the 3rd"??
     
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    since I don't delete post can you go pull up where I said we would win Zoo at 16 , yes we were there to win but please pull this up , or that he would be the no.1 player although that is our goal why would you aim for anything less ,as for making our move it has started and he is 16 we are starting to venture into the futures and up but please bring up these quotes you say I have made .

    we know you said these crazy good Europeans would crush us if they ever played us but it was quite the opposite my kid didnt walk off the court crying at the OB and when he lost he was made to go run a mile
     
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    Now THIS is an important point.

    And also I'd be more than happy to hear your ideas how to start to do that transition age 10-12

    I've put them play points where an (smart) attacker get 2 points when succeeding...other ideas?
     
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    You are correct asked him about it the argument happen in the 1st set over the guy telling the coach there with DB to F-off then on match point at 4 5 in the 3 rd is where another argument ensued with the ref but either way he lost cause of his ridiculous attitude , again I heard it second hand and didn't hear anything other then getting mad and losing
     
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    Totally agree with the "let it play out" comment. All the Monday morning quarterback bunk and crystal ball joo-joo that transpires here is so counter-productive.
     
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    As for counter puncher he has never been that he has always had and aggressive style we have for the last year or so been having him play more defense cause the offensive style is already there , as for the serve we just spent 2 months reworking it and will continue to make adjustments along the way , his forehand also , I know you may get this , it's a work in process ,seriously when someone continues to put on size it's a real pain in the rear for development , coming from a sport where 4 pounds can take away your knock out power or decrease your speed its easier to accept what I am dealing with .

    As for bring on a consultant we have a place in Bradenton that he attends and when he is there we work with one of the top coaches at least 2 to 3 times a week and his staff but as for here in Ca there is only one other coach I trust !
     
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    I am rooting for DB to have a pro career, but if he wins 1 or 2 Futures this year I will be astonished, and I certainly won't try to hide my astonishment by claiming that the field was weak or any of that nonsense. A Futures is very hard to win.
     
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    Hey Chalk talk to your kid about the Easter Bowl and doubles with DB he says he wants to play doubs at Carson and Easter , give me a call later after 2 pm Ca time
     
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    Everybody is rooting for DB, I just hate it when it gets ugly here.
     
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    Clark thanks and will see what happens a d of course I know you won't come up with some ridiculous reason why he won , you get it and again thanks , as for all our other young guys out there testing the futures I really am rooting for them we need it here in the USA
     
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    Come on Chalk we need the haters on here to motivate as much as the fans who encourage and if it gets a bit ugly it's all good , I see ugly every morning in the mirror so I am used to it !
     
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    I really did not see that from him when he played Peliwo. Maybe he wasn't confident playing the best player in the field, a much older player. What I saw from him was typical of a top junior. Hit hard in spots, make every ball, play offense sometimes. No clear consistent pattern of attack and game plan to win the match. Like I say all the time to my kids: your are not playing tennis you are hitting a ball back and forth. Tennis means thinking, tactics, strategy, and most important- adjustments. By the time my players adjust- they have already lost the match. He needs a clear concise pro level game plan for every match.
     
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    Coaching32years ,Thats the problem with almost all of the juniors i see play. They do not start playing the pro style game until its too late. My 11 year old daughter plays a pro style game already. She loses alot now but we are building for the future. She replicates professional patterns and hits full out on every ball.The problem with teaching this game is parents want results early and dont see the big picture. In my opinion its a must that kids learn to play this way at a very young age if they wanna have any chance to make it on the next level. I see 99.99% of the girls 12 and under play just defending and running down balls.
     
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    I do think with Deits size and physical tools he still may have a shot. If Brad can get with the right guy he could have a chance to be a money making pro.(nothing against Brad because what hes done is very impressive) My friend started working with a guy who was around 300 in the world but he was just a grinder.In less than 6 months he transformed his game and he got top 60 in the world. I think if Brad finds that right guy to consult Deit he has as good a shot as any other US player.
     
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    well one of the things I have learned about tennis is to watch a player over at least 4 to 6 matches before I make and judgement on him and how he plays , somethings will show right away , the way he hits , his favorite weapon ,ect but styles of players sometimes shut a player down , Peliwo ,the moment may have played a part, next big stage OB played extremely aggressive hugged the baseline over powered players , will just have to see what happens but if your here in Ca would love you to bring over this player you have that hits big and see how he does against your player who was taught by you , maybe we can learn something ?
     
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    You are absolutely right. Have to see a player at least 3 or 4 matches to make any judgements- so what I said about US Open not fair. But.......
    Ga tennis is right. You have done an incredible job. To get to to the next level he needs a strategy, tactics guru in addition to you. I just watched Querey in San Jose. He knows exactly when to go high and heavy, when to flatten it out, when to go down the line, when to pull the trigger. Has to be taught- need a guru.
     
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    You are a brilliant coach. Much smarter than I ever was. I was too hung up on results in the 12's and 14's. The sooner you get them playing the pro style the better. Those balls that are now flying against the back fence will start going in and she will have a serve, an overhead, and especially volleys.
    She will be a force guaranteed.
     
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    could someone kindly explain what is the difference between 'junior style' and 'pro style'? I mean I kind of know the difference between ' being a good player' (the one that wins) and 'being not so good player' (the one that wins, well, less often) - but the distinction between 'junior style' and 'pro style' escapes me.
     
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    Around here it seems the distinction is that juniors play defense and pros play offense. I don't know how true that is in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    like i I said we work from time to time in person with one of the best coaches the game has seen , we also stay in touch with him and his staff ,they like where it is and where they see it going as for a guru there are none in So.Cal other then probably Lanthorp or and assistant coach I know at UCLA but he is to busy with a bunch of girls .
    But if you have names of these gurus you talk about please list them then i can check there resumes and see if they have ever dealt with the transition you believe is there and I am incapable of completing , really give me some names ?
     
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    Brad i think you are an incredible coach!!!!! You have helped me MANY times!! I think my daughters coach could help Deit soooo much!!! He is an ATP coach as well as a WTA coach with over 90 pro titles with the players hes coached. He has over 20 years experience coaching on the pro tour. HE GETS IT!!!!!! He would want you top remain Deits coach because he always says that the best coaches are parents. I consider you a good friend of mine and i have followed Deit since he was 12. I know without a shadow of a doubt that he can take Deit to the next level along with your help.
     
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    If your talking Waters he is solid and would have and open ear always have, the only problem is where he is and where we are CA vs Atlanta , so theres where the problem starts , would we relocate to him , how would this work ?

    We have who we have and the arrangements we have received in Bradenton are ideal for now , GA development is a process I am willing to be patient with I have 4 to 5 years according to most on here with the average age of top 100 players being 26 shoot thats 10 years away so there is plenty of time .

    I understand that winning Jr events means nothing , its the level your at and as of right now DB is equivalent to any player top 20 ITF and if we had started playing ITF's last year full time he would no doubt be top 5 right now , he went from 633 to 150 in 2 or 3 tourneys , so we know what a whole year would do with this beast .

    Borna turned pro already he got a taste of whats out there , we hit with the kid from Italy Luigi at the US open for almost 2 hrs he couldn't keep up either he also is pro from what I am told , so we see the level the only difference is these kids play a lot and there is a mental side but once we settle in we will take care of business .
     
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    You wouldnt have to move. You would be DEITS coach. You would just make arrangements to get with him when you can. I honestly want DEIT to make it. I feel like DEIT and you are like family and i only want whats best for DEIT. I actually talked to him last night and told him about DEIT and he said he would love to work with him. Brad i have been around this game for over 30 years and im 100% honest when i say NO ONE i have ever been around GETS IT like HEATH. NO ONE is a better coach for DEIT than you!!! NO ONE!!! I just think if you could be around HEATH and DEIT being around HEATH it would be soooooo beneficial to DEIT and what you guys are trying to do.
     
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    Oh stop it.

    You have no idea whether this boy will make it as a MM pro tennis player or not.

    With every success this kid has you keep moving the bar.

    He could win a challenger tournament tomorrow and you'd still say that it wasn't a good enough indication of top 50 potential....blah blah blah....

    None of us know how far DB will go, but what we do know is he has already gone further than you have predicted, he is talented, he has the physical stature to be a great player (it's not like he's 5 foot 6 and talking about being a pro tennis player), and he and his family are dedicated to his success.

    All we can do is wish him well and offer our advice and support.
     
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