How to build a racquet with superpowers!!!

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  1. EricW

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    Hey Trav, I was thinking of giving this idea another try, with the T Fight 320 as my base. Any recommendations for lead placement or anything?
     
  2. EricW

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    Anyone?

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  3. Strings And Things

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    Add as much mass as you can handle. Tinker around different locations until you find something you like. Tinker some more to find something better. Keep doing this if you find it fun experimenting and improving the feel of the frame.
     
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    This is great idea if matches last less than a hour. Otherwise you wont be able to handle this weight... But great idea, realy great...
    I do something similar with (very light)prince precision comp, and it was fun to play. But static weight stays under 330grams, and balance about 4 PHL...
     
  5. EricW

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    You should improve your endurance.
     
  6. mishin900

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    I sometimes happen to be playing a 3-hour match with my TF335 which is leaded up to 13.7 oz. and I have no problem using it. And I'm not a big guy only 5'9".
     
  7. Jack & Coke

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    Hi trav,

    Is this still your regular racquet now?

    Any updates or stories?

    Any new mods or superpowers?
     
  8. Jack & Coke

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    I seem to recall we'd plan to exchange frames for a few weeks this past summer. Still interested? Best, CC
     
  10. paulorenzo

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    holy ****, this thread is a god send. i was wondering why my newly acquired vintage pro kennex graphite comp, with a flex of 50-something, was hitting like crap. i was at a loss, because i thought i've done everything correctly by matching the specs of my stiffer yamahas, but all this time, what do you know. i guess i could never grasp the concept until now.
     
  11. B.B.

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    Hi Travelerajm

    Just recieved 2 longbodies myself. I like my racket to be at least 360 gram.

    I own 2 pog mids since before, allthough those I play with a bit of lead on the head weighing 350 gram. Like those but I want something a bit more forgiving and powerful. I would also like to keep the 28 inch length since I´m not the tallest man alive.

    I have 4 packs of lead and 2 brand new longies. If I want power, stability what do you suggest I do?
     
  12. tiochaota

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    Amazing, I could never do that.....
     
  13. Pioneer

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    The final specs are really close to mine lol. My SW is about 355 I just put 350 in my sig because it looks better.

    Trav, one of the things that I've noticed is that successful guys like Nadal, Federer and Roddick have very powerful racquets and what they do is they swing up at the ball to give it as much spin as possible while the high powered frame would naturally make the ball land deep. That's the opposite of the general idea that pros have low powered racquets with a lot of stability. Is your new racquet very powerful so that you have to focus on applying spin or is it already low powered so you have to focus on hitting hard?

     
  14. travlerajm

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    The shortened POG LB described in this thread was quite powerful, but it had a lot of bite, so I didn't have to swing with much of an uppercut.

    My current frame is actually a highly customized O3 Red - I posted a thread starter on earlier this week. It's also quite powerful, but not as spinny as a POG described here, partly because the Red is stiffer, and partly because I customized it with a less polarized weight distribution so it's not quite as headlight in balance.

    I think if you use the MgR/I concept to tune your groundstrokes, you can more easily control high-powered frames. The POG LB in this thread was created before I had discovered the MgR/I concept that I now use for all of my racquet setups.

    One more point: Stability is created by adding mass. Adding mass adds power (up to a point). So stability and power are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Most pros use frames that are both highly stable and very powerful. I believe the power is most important on the serves, while stability is most important for everything else.
     
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  15. travlerajm

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    If you want stability, a 28" racquet is the worst possible option because you can't have very much mass in the head without the SW getting quite high.

    That aside, if you want to turn your POG LB into a powerful serving racquet without shortening it, I'd recommend adding mass at 10 and 2 until the SW is in the 380-390 range. About 25g at 10 and 2 should do it. It might take you a few days of serving with the added mass to adjust to the higher SW before you start noticing the extra juice on your serve - ramp up your swing speed slowly so you don't injure yourself.
     
  16. B.B.

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    I made a mild version of your frame: removed the leather grip and put 20 gram under the grip and put an overgrip and some scotch over the lead. Then 20 gram in the head at 3 and 9 and from 2 til 10. Total weight 356 gram.

    It felt good svinging in the air at home but it was, like you decribe, terrible to play with. Far to sluggish, I had no idea where the head was when playing. And I got pretty tired in the arm when rallying long during practice. It was unplayable!

    Like you said I better understand that putting lead at 3 and 9 on my wonderful POG mid is a worlds apart from putting a lot of lead on the head of a 28 inch racket.

    Well, well: now I´ve removed all lead except at 3 and 9 and I´ve put a leather grip on without any lead under it.

    It now weighs 330 gram total, which is a bit light to me BUT: when swinging it in the air and than compering swinging my POG mid, the frames almost feel identical.

    Maybe it´s so, when using a longbody racket, that the old rules don´t really apply and that 330 gram can be a real nice set up...?:confused:

    I´m gonna play again tomorrow so I´ll leave a new report after that. I really want to give this longer racket a chance, I´ve never tried a longer frame before been playing for 25 years. But I must admit that I´m tempted to just rip out the old trusty mid and just play...:oops:
     
  17. B.B.

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    i can only paly with it in stock form without lead.

    Played it for 2 hours now and I love the serve nad the groundies is getting there i think. I´m still late sometimes but it´s ok.

    How much time you think it will take to get used to the extra 2 inches?





    Still want to pull out mu pog mid...
     
  18. okdude1992

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    i remember this thread from back when it was first posted haha. good to see it back. so travlerajm, could i do a similar polarized setup with target specs between 98 and 100 square inches, and under right around 12 oz?
     
  19. JediMindTrick

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    I feel like cutting down a POG LB. Why can't Prince sell a standard length POG 100"?
     
  20. GiannI

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    well i have an issue i like to discuss...

    im going to polarize a Head Extreme team.

    Head Size:
    107 sq. in. / 690 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 10.3oz / 292g
    Balance: 3pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 301
    Stiffness: 57
    Beam Width: 24 - 26 - 23 Tapered Beam
    Composition: Microgel / Graphite
    Power Level: Low-Medium
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: HydroSorb
    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,8H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 52-62 pounds


    as you all see is a 57 RCA racquet with 300 SW and a weight of 292 gr

    the "problem" is how much weight to add without skyrocketing the SW. im thinking about a total of 60 grams... (30+30) is it too much? im now using a RDiS 100 mp with 15gr added in the upper loop ( 6-3-6 ) and 9 in the handle

    this are the specs of the RDiS 100 mp

    Midplus Specs
    Head Size:
    98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 11.7oz / 332g
    Balance: 7pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 323
    Stiffness: 64
    Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: High Modulus Graphite / Elastic Titanium / CS Carbon Nanotube
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Yonex Cushion Grip
    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T, 8H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 50-65 pounds


    thanks in advance!
     
  21. eliza

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    Guys, I have another idea, and I know NASA and CIA have all the technology we need.
    Any racquet, with build-in laser tech device to target the ball and indicate the exact contact point. Kind of jet fighters tech, applied to tennis. Is out there......I know.....
     
  22. LeeD

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    Easier yet, remove yourself in the equation, but leave your nice racket laying there, add Roger, Rafael, DJ, Milos, and your racket is now good enough for real tennis.
     
  23. AlpineCadet

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    Just use a Babolat PD and you're set.
     
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    Then using their info, you can beat only Iraqi's and cave dwelling Afghani's who are without WMDs.
     
  25. Lsmkenpo

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    According to my calculations your SW would be around 414 adding 30gm-30gm on the Extreme , I suggest trying half that amount first 15gm-15gm gives you a SW around 365.
     
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    Why did they win?
     
  27. TennisMaverick

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    Now that's funny!!!
     
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    if i did add 15gr to a 332 sw racquet maybe im around 370 with the RDiS, right?
     
  29. GiannI

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    cant edit the previous post :S
     
  30. Lsmkenpo

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    Around 367SW from the specs you provided and the lead added, for your RDiS.
     
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    I just gotta say.... Wow. That is quite a bit of lead tape. I always thought about the layers of lead tape long the frame as you did on your racket.
     
  32. Djokolate

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    How can I make a racquet stiffer??
     
  33. GiannI

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    i'd finish adding weight! a total of 48 grams 24 in the upper loop (9gr @10 - 6gr @12 - 9gr @2) and 24gr in the handle

    ill string it on monday with Kirschbaum Compe 1.25 and report back here


    you can't modify the inner structure of a material but if you are looking for a specific feeling you can add weight...
     
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    Hmm... how would tensions change it? Because I've wanting to try some higher tensions. Would you say, like 2lb higher would be 1 stiffness rating higher?
     
  35. Fuji

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    Well you can't really change the composition of the racket. If you want a racket to feel stiffer/more boardy you could always string with a poly, then if that's not satisfactory, string at a high tension with a poly. Of course your arm might not like it, but if you sting with certain qualities, you can indeed have a stiffer feel.

    -Fuji
     
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    By adding weight to the areas which you would like to stiffen, you effectively do, since the extra mass resists any force exerted upon it.
     
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    because they were using a metal detector to find a piece of plastic.
     
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    How to build a racquet with superpowers

    Hi Travelejam - fascinating post.

    I noted you paid no reference to the MgR/I concept of placing weight seven inches from the butt cap. I would have thought with all of that weight you have attached to the frame it would have been nice to have the tip come around that much quicker.

    I did note however you have substantial weight placed on the tapered part of the butt cap and wondered if that was enough to assist maneuvrability without the need to place weight at the seven inch mark

    I Would appreciate your comments on this as I have been influenced by your earlier post on the MgR/I concept and find it works well for me.
     
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    If you add lead in the hoop from 3-5 like Djokovic has on his racquet it will hit like it is a stiffer frame, but your sweet spot will shift slightly lower on the string bed.
     
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