How to counter a hard hitter

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by MarinaHighTennis, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. Maximagq

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    LeeD probably could. I got 4 games in 2 sets off the Joe and he is number 7 in the country. It's very hard to completely dominate someone unless one is playing absolutely unbeatable that day.
     
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    off of* Can't edit posts yet
     
  3. LeeD

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    Speculating would only be bragging.
    But, in 1996, and I running then, playing what I consider "high 4.0 level", I lost to DominanCollege's No.2, a guy who made Junior Wimbledon's semis the previous year 7-5, 6-2.
    He wasn't fooling around, because the whole team was there, the coach was roving between courts, and he needed lefty practice, him also lefty.
     
  4. Power Player

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    Good stuff. I saw in your youtube that you said you are a 4.5-5.0 player. I think you are at bare minimum, a 5.0 player, and possibly a 5.5 since Joe is a 6.0.
     
  5. LeeD

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    I called 5-5.5, and I'm stingy.
    Archer's bow is to enable to chest to face upwards when rotated into the court just before impact. Pinpoint helps promote it, while platform takes it away. It's part of a high hand at the end of the toss, and part of swinging upwards while impact occurs.
     
  6. cjs

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    Why the obsession with these stupid ratings in USA and on this forum?

    I don't get it.

    If you go in tournaments and comps you will pretty quickly work out where you stand compared to others, and what aspects of your game you need to improve.
     
  7. LeeD

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    Ratings are stupid to YOU, but almost a bible when you try to rate a player based on a video.
    Maybe YOU never have scouted another player.
    I HAVE, many times, in anticipation of a future match against him. Gotta know to look for flaws, strengths, tendencies, and preferences.
     
  8. cjs

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    You seem to be the most obsessed of the lot with ratings. I'm new here, but every thread your involved with seems to degenerate into a "well, what's your rating then?" thread.

    And WHY the WEIRD use of CAPS for CRAZY emphasis?

    Actually, I've scouted lots of players. Both in anticipation of myself playing them, or for juniors I coached having to play them. Giving them a number is the last thing I do in such a case.

    It seems to me the numbers rating system is for people who actually don't know all that much about tennis, so they NEED a BIBLE to GUIDE them.
     
  9. LeeD

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    You are certainly free to scout your way.
    Me, I scout my way, and that's strengths and weaknesses, preferences, tendencies.
    On accumlating a few of those characteristics, I can rate the player relative to my level of play.
    So, RATINGS ARE EVERYTHING!
    You don't watch a tennis player play tennis without rating them. Maybe YOU don't use a skill level NUMBER, and I don't, this is a CHAT thread, and everyone WANTS to show their hitting skills to validate their tennis game.
     
  10. MethodTennis

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    What because I've said

    I dont know how good these guys are

    There is no such thing as a 4.5 hitter as ratings are used to measure level in match play and have no relevance hitting

    And that since being informed that these players are both fairly decent that after only watching a highlight reel that advice given on here is useless and way to general to have a hope in hell of being useful.

    As to your above post as I was saying you cant really get a grasp of what these players do from a highlight real or any tendencies.
     
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  11. Maximagq

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    I can show you a full match video if you want between me and Marina from a few weeks back.
     
  12. MarinaHighTennis

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    didnt you say you were gonna upload a your version of the match between us? I dont mind a full haha but thatd be a lot of time for you to edit
     
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  15. hieu1811

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    Very nice hitting. Just out of curiosity, Maximagq, I know you have great 1HBH, but have you ever considered switching to 2HBH or regretted learning 1HBH when college opponents keep attacking the 1HBH?

    My 1HBH sometimes break-down and my friend just asks me why i wouldn't want to make a switch, will make 1 year setback for the better.
     
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    Hi MHT. Nice playing it. It looks like you've improved a bit since I saw some of your first videos a while back. Here are my comments so far on the match video from 9 10 13. Some posters have commented that you need to swing through the ball more on the forehand side and less up. I tend to agree with this, however, you could get away with it at the 4.5 or so level if your footwork compensated for it. However, when you combine somewhat lazy or imperfect footwork with the hitting up technique, you are going to give away a lot of free points.

    Check out 3:40. You could have taken 1 more little step to get into ideal position to hit this shot (look at what your opponent does, faster, more skittering steps to set up fh), but now the ball is too close to you. Your elbow is completely tucked into the body, you can only pull up on the shot, and it's netted. Even if you manage to make this over the net, it is basically a puff ball at this level. Your racket head speed is sufficient, you just need to extend that swing back forwards into the court a little bit more. The first forehand you hit at 0:11 is better. But on the very next shot, you catch it late, and pull up exclusively, sending the ball wide. If you swing more through the court, you will also cut down on your errors when you are just pulling up off the ball and hitting it out (4:02 for example). Try to add a little more linear momentum. It will also make your shots more penetrating, like your opponents. It is good to have the spinnier "up" forehand to use against a player with a 1hbh, but to a strong 2 hander or to a forehand, it is an attack-able ball.

    Your backhand is pretty solid and your returns are good. Try to serve more to your opponent's backhand. In the service game you play at 5:40, you get murdered serving to his forehand. The only point you win is the one you get to his backhand. Try to work some body serves into the left hip against a 1hbh player.

    To get back to the question in the thread title, you can neutralize a hard hitter with good footwork and anticipation. More importantly though, to compete at this and higher levels you need to get your opponent out of their comfort zone so they can't hit as hard. The only way you are going to do this is if you do more damage with your own shots. Get them moving and take time away. So in a way, I'm saying hit harder ;). But in the sense that you should hit a little flatter and more tactically (serve especially).
     
  17. Maximagq

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    My dad taught me a 1HBH since I was small so I was always used to it, but sometimes I think it would be a lot easier with a 2HBH. Watching guys like Djokovic and Murray, it makes me consider if I made the wrong decision but I like playing with a 1HBH and for me the results don't really matter, it's more about having fun with it haha.
     
  18. hieu1811

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    another question for Maximagq, on your pinpoint serve, your right foot slide very far in front to your right, which i do the same thing. Recently, someone pointed to me that this is a major fault that needs to be corrected as it affects my entire serve. he said the right leg should be together or behind the left leg, not cross over to the right
    So has sbd told you about this before?
     
  19. mikeler

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    I do this too and a friend of mine suggested the same thing. So I tried it and it just hurts my knee too much. Take a look at a video of Robin Soderling, he does it too.
     
  20. Maximagq

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    Yeah, my coach mentioned that to me. It's a bad habit I have tried to fix but it seems more natural to me. I've been trying to change it though because it's mostly a balance issue and I open up my shoulders too early.
     

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