How to Improve the WTA?

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  1. THUNDERVOLLEY

    THUNDERVOLLEY G.O.A.T.

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    I've seen that at men's matches at the USO--arguably the most energetic tennis crowd on the planet. It happens.

    Why are you surprised by this? Sharapova probably has stalkers and others making threats. No one desires Seles 2.0.

    Conjecture about the motives. I recall Connors running off the court because he had "the runs." Many around here used to routinely accuse Djokovic of faking breathing problems and/or injuries. Nothing new.

    Oudin was never "America's Sweetheart." She was a flash-in-the-pan who tried to brand herself with a pair of shoes, but her game was quickly figured out, and the rest is player-as-a-footnote history. She gains weight because she's (in theory) too comfortable with her coaching situation--an environment that is not going to take her to task for adding pounds...developing a serve....recognizing the entire court....you know, stuff like that.

    Perhaps the problem here is expecting a certain level of play from Azarenka, when she's not that great in the first place. Yes, she won a major, but for all you know, she was as lucky as other one-slam wonders throughout history, which means she is not going to be a waking tennis clinic of skill.

    Not going to happen in this or any other universe.

    Blanket "solution" in that audience numbers fluctuate depending on the player, the opponent of a star (if it looks to be a guaranteed blowout, there's less interest in what appears to be a practice session).

    In the many times this must be said, the PTB will not enforce this, especially since some of the biggest star names engage in shrieking. The players are the money, the sponsors love them, and if the audiences are not all moaning in protest, no action will be taken.


    Vera would man up and kick your ass for that, after all, she's the biggest crybaby on tour.

    More all-court players. The age of the baseline obsessed has to come to an end in the WTA and ATP.
     
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  2. diggler

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    That is very interesting. What is that ball meant to do differently?
     
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  3. anantak2k

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    I don't mind women's tennis. There are some great matches every now and then. But seriously the screaming needs to stop. Or at least technology needs to move faster and give me a way to block out player sounds. I don't want to watch it on mute since I like to hear the sound of the crowd and the ball and at times the commentators. But I do not wish to hear screamapova scream on the top of her lungs even for finesse shots like drop shots.
     
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  4. rufus_smith

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    I like the idea. A low bouncing ball or low bounce surface would dramatically improve both women's and men's tennis. To show off athleticism and shot making you got to have players move up and back to the net as well as laterally. The women would be helped more than the men since none of them ever voluntarily go to the net. BTW its much less likely for shrieking to occur on a net shots like approach shots, volleys, overheads, etc. So it would cut down on shrieking as well.
     
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  5. Tcbtennis

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    I have an question. Who other than Sharapova and Azarenka are considered shriekers among the top tournament players? Is all noise that comes from a female player considered shrieking or is all the hullabaloo reserved for the high pitched sounds. I'm looking at the list of the final eight women (Kerber, Errani, Stosur, Cibulkova, Kvitova, Shvedova, Kanepi and Sharapova) and Sharapova is the only one that I would consider an offender. In fact, in my opinion, only Azarenka and Sharapova are the only shriekers that are commonly shown on TV. The other women, who make noise, grunt no differently or louder than Nadal or Djokovic. This , "I can't stand women's tennis because they all shriek" has taken on a life of it's own and has people joining the bandwagon because they are followers. If Nadal, Djokovic, Tsonga, Ferrer, etc can wail without criticism then the the women can too. I do, however, agree that Azarenka and Sharapova are hard to take for the uninitiated. But if you watch enough tennis, their shrieks meld into the background.
     
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  6. consigliere

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    I dont know what's it called but the voices coming out of Schiavone are pretty damn loud. I like her though, Italians just have charm written all over them and she's no different.
     
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  7. diggler

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    Men grunt, but it is a lower pitch than a shriek. What you need to do is adjust the pitch on your tv to change a shriek into a grunt. Less treble if you have got the control.
     
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  8. diggler

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    Finally, somebody agrees with one of my nutbag ideas. You can't change the surface. You could regulate the racket or strings, but it would be over the dead body of too many people. Changing the balls is the cheapest and easiest thing to do. Has anyone ever played with those balls that beginners learn with? They would be ideal.

    Table tennis made their balls 2mm bigger to get longer rallies. There is no reason why tennis can't change their balls too. All you are doing is rebalancing the effect of the new rackets and strings.

    http://www.australianopenshop.com/mlctennishotshots/prodetail.asp?proid=22670&tags[]=equipment
     
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  9. pmerk34

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    Yeah what's up with Oudin? She had a 6 pack a few years ago. Very sad to see.
     
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  10. Gaudio2004

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    Azarenka blew the field in Australia this year and was super during the latter part of 2011, she went 26-0 at one point, something that not even the best female tennis players have been able to achieve.

    Perspective puts expectation into order. Certainly expecting the number 1 ranked player, who has consistent achieved better than anyone in the past 12 months, to win a round 1 match destroys any notion of this "for all you know" and "lucky one slam wonder" notion, it does say something about the state of the women's game for certain and it's been like this for a long time.

    Denying it or being obvious to it perhaps is the misunderstanding?

    Well here we have a classic problem, when one is attempting to argue something that has both men and women participating in, the response that is given as an "argument" is just this: well man A and man B also did this and that so it's the same..

    This completely misses the point. The issue of this topic is the wta tour and women participating in it, not men. Bringing men up as an excuse or as a counter argument or even worse, an attempt to actually dissolve a point is wrong; we are solely focusing on the WTA. How can you improve it when you are consistently comparing every attempt to improve the tour to the ATP counterpart?

     
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    The issue with Azerenka is three fold:

    1) We thought she had turned the corner after winning the AO and going 26-0 and then suddenly she lost a few matches, withdrew from another and culminates with a bad (but not terrible) loss in Paris. We wonder where she is at physically and mentally at this point and if she is ready to keep a stranglehold on the no. 1 spot.

    2) The Shrieking is absurd. I know there is nothing that will be done about it but since it's continually done it's always going to be mentioned.

    3)If you are going to be number 1 then you need to look like a number 1 which excludes playing a final in those awful biker looking shorts and warmup leggings.
     
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  12. THUNDERVOLLEY

    THUNDERVOLLEY G.O.A.T.

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    No, it does not, since for all of her hype, where is this assured "future" of the WTA now? Out of the event, and along the way, older players have made short work of her. Will her defenders still sing the same tune if she crashes out at the two remaning majors left in the year?, ]

    Tennis is not a segregated sport--the WTA and ATP are linked whether one likes it or not, so when someone uses a premise leading to criticism of the WTA as though a particular problem only exists within some WTA bubble, the logical counter is to present relevant examples of similar cases which proved the point: fake or real medical time-outs/bathroom breaks are nothing new within the sport. All too relevant because the WTA is not some foreign entity which just so happens to appear at (fantasized) all male events.

    Some exist, but the all court game--even occasional departure from the baseline is not encouraged, as coaches almost seem to think any other game is too complex for their clients.
     
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  13. Stinkdyr

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    Make the chix wear LESS clothing. Treat it like chick beach volleyball..........a T&A fest.
    Except of course the hefty ones, Bartoli, Serenabeast......they should have to wear MORE clothing.
     
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