How to use your opponent's PS 6.0 to your advantage

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  1. netman

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    I always note when an opponent shows up welding a PS 6.0 frame. I quickly do a calculation. The formula is fairly simple, with three typical outcomes.

    One, you get an older player with a PS 6.0 who has been using it for years. They use it out of force of habit, but refuse to admit they don't have the fitness and skills to use it successfully any more. In this case you give them lots of low sliders, dippers and off speed shots. The resulting floaters are easy pickin's at the net.

    Two, you get the newbies who read the BS posted here about using a PS 6.0 to improve their strokes (notice there is never any mention of hair shirts and self-flagellation). So they gamely stuggle with their overwieight, low powered bats, comforted by the fact they are following the pure path of tennis righteousness. Meanwhile beating them is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Finally, there are the former 5.0+ players who used the PS 6.0 in college. They may be a older now, but they are so talented they could beat you with a broom. After the 3rd kick serve that is 2 feet above your head before you can get a racquet on it and the umpteenth inside-out FH that is so far out of reach you couldn't hit it with the proverbial ten foot pole, you accept that they really should be using the PS 6.0 and you are gonna get killed.

    In my humble observations, using a statistical distribution, Category 1 is 40%, Category 2 is 55% and Category 3 is 5%.

    -k-
     
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  2. Offshore

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    I wish it were that easy to figure out. I do not see many PS 6.0 frames out there at Open tourneys or at local clubs. When I do the players seem to be pretty good. Its pretty hard to make generalizations based on the frame someone is using IMO.
     
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  3. rooski

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    LOL...sounds about right. However, it's been years since I've seen anyone using that frame and I live in a place with plenty of players from all 3 of your categories. I see an occasional low intermediate joker playing with a PC600 actually trying to "push" with it ...and I just laugh.

    Oh...there is one more category...call it 1a) the older guy who still has decent skills and is just too cheap to buy a new frame even though he would be a lot better with a more modern racket. Ahem....that would be my dad.
     
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  4. chiru

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    man why does everyone rip on ppl who aren't 5.0's using the ps 85. holy crap, you know its possible that some ppl play better with the ps 85 than another racket at many levels, obviously not like a 2.0, but i think its fair that a 4.0 player cud be maximizing himself wiht eh ps 85
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    All I know is, I don't know how many times I've gotten myself in trouble by judging a player by the racquet he uses before the match has even started. I've had my butt whipped by opponents wielding everything from 70 sq. in., 30 year-old racquets to 135 sq. in. fan-shaped monstrosities with all the latest technology. Good players will use everything under the sun just as bad players will also use everything under the sun. The bottom line is that you can't judge a tennis player by the racquet that he/she uses just as you can't judge a book by its cover. Someone very wise said that once.......I mean about tennis players, not books. ;) LOL
     
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  6. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Why are peaple so ENVIOUS of ps6.0 users.. Its always the guys using granny or girl sticks that talk trash.
     
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    What about the people who use the 6.0 95?
     
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  8. drakulie

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    Besides tennis, these are the advantages of using a PS 85;

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  9. drakulie

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    More advantages:

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    Do all these advantages of the PS85 come as standard equipment with the racket if I get one?
     
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  11. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Only if you fall into category #3 :)
     
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  12. drakulie

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    Well put. And if you fall into category 3, you get one of these:

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  13. anirut

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    Can I bargain? I promise I'll make it to Cat #3 in a heart beat if the standard add on comes with the racket ...
     
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  14. mistapooh

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    I hate you guys. I miss my 85 now =(.
     
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  15. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Im definetly noticing a trend here. You wouldnt happen to be born in august now drakulie, that would blow my mind hehe.
     
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  16. drakulie

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    LMAO. Here are more adoring fans of the PS85:

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  17. drakulie

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    Very true. You are wise beyond your years!!
     
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  18. Keifers

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    Thanks for the laughs, guys. Too funny! :mrgreen:

    If I didn't already have a 6.0 85, I'd be feeling so bad...

    ...but I do, so I don't. :cool:
     
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  19. Duzza

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    game on, i seriously doubt you would beat a lot of people like this.
     
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  20. DX_Psycho

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    what abotu the 6.0 95?

    and i bet i could beat you with an 85.
     
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  21. newnuse

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    LOL :)

    This thread is amusing.... nice Pic's Drakulie

    I must go out and pick up a few more PS85 now

    Why do all these racket nutzis always smack people who dare use the 85"?? Why all the hate?

    People will use whatever they enjoy using... that's part of the fun in playing tennis. If they like playing with 50" wooden rackets.. so be it.

    I don't see why guys on here insist on telling them they are so wrong, so stupid etc for using it....
     
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  22. VAmazona

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    String is too expensive...I need the smallest racquet possible to get the most out of my reels. The rest of the time I just twirl it in my hand while I watch others play.
     
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  23. artworks

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    Hey Mr. Humble, I'll beat you with my PS 85 anytime even at your own backyard. :mad:
     
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  24. Well done, drakulie!
     
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  25. drakulie

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    To all my fellow fans of the PS 85 inclduing but not limited to PrestigeClassic, artworks, VAmazona, newnuse, Keifers, Ultra2HolyGrail, Chiru, BreakPoint, Davai, anirut, mistapooh, etc.

    I want to thank you and dedicate this Post to all of you...

    I hope I did not leave anyone out.
     
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  26. baseliner

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    Hit just once with the 6.0 85 and you will see why category #1 is so large.
     
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    These are the advantages of...................your wallet. LOL:D JUst joking
     
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    As Yoda would say, " Judge me by size you do? Too small for you I am? Cut your feet off I will…..with my PS 85 I will. Against your defenses hit volleys, and killer angles I will”.

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    ^^ Yoda ^^ That's just too good, drakulie! VERY well done!

    I really did laugh out loud. :D :D :D
     
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  31. Offshore

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    While I do not use a 6.0 85, I must say that I am LMAO with those pictures drakulie...funny stuff!
     
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  32. textbook strokes

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    On the main subject: (95%) Force them to rally on for more than 3 shots. They will frame tha ball very often.
    Play with power and spin, you will overpower them.
    If they come to the net, you can pass them easily.
    On the other 5%, congatulate them, and advise them to buy modern frames, so they could be even better.
     
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  33. vkartikv

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    Why is there so much emphasis on what the opponent is using? I keep coming back to the PS 85 and now I am sticking with it, no more relationships with other frames. To say that 95% of prostaff mid users are not worthy of it is a gross overestimation. People should appreciate the fact that the prostaff mid user atleast knows enough about its history to try to own it.
     
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  34. Richie Rich

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    i own one (nice to look at and know that 20+yrs ago it was a "top of the line" frame) but can only dribble the ball over the net with it. have no problems with the tour 90 or ncode 90. only the ps 85 and the PC 600. can't play worth crap with those 2 frames.
     
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    I totally agree about the pc600. Any prestige midsize frame is a nightmare to handle, especially after having gotten used to a wilson-type grip shape. I have to disagree with you on the ncode 90 being easier than the PS 85. I don't know about you but I feel the weight distribution or material makeup is such that the ncode 90 feels heavier to swing. I'd like to hear your thoughts..
     
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  36. ironchef21

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    All I know is that whenever I play someone who uses the PS they always seem to be in the 5%. :(
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    That's largely been my experience as well. I'd say 95% of the people I've played against or seen play with the PS 6.0 85 are very good players that can probably beat most of the guys on this board. :eek:
     
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    more pictures of hot ladies please.
     
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    I felt the same thing when I hit with the ncode 90, and I add lead tape to my PS 85 (3 and 9). Still, the ncode felt much heavier to swing.
     
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    Yes. Once you hit the "5%", you could have your own.
     
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  42. TennsDog

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    You forgot the 4th category: the still-in-college players using it and using it effectively.
     
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    I think you nailed this totally and I bet the percentages are pretty right as well....it's evidenced on this very board where i dont think there are any members using the ps85 who are even 5.0 let alone above. This frame used to be a 4.5 and above frame way back when, then it became a 5.0 frame as the game evolved nd now i would say it is a 6.0 and up frame..it's just not a factor or even discussed anywhere else but here other than for nostalgic reasons.
     
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  44. TennsDog

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    Neglecting the obvious 5 inches, can someone please explain the huge difference between the PS 85 and the PS Tour 90, which no one complains about is over-rated and shouldn't be played with in today's game? According to the reasons people give for the PS 85 being out-dated, you should pretty much get rid of any racket of head size below 93-95, because anything smaller sucks from the baseline and is only good for serve and volley, which doesn't exist anymore. Wow, I wonder how many more fallacies I could fit into a single sentence...
     
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    I really don't think anyone should be applying a game strategy based on what frame someone is using. I think it would be better to observer their style and form.
     
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    Furthermore, using this strategy, I guess everyone who uses a FXP Radical must think think they are Andre, a N6.1 Tour 90 Roger, a Babolat Roddick and let's not forget a PS 85 Pistol Pete. Either that or they suck right??? Oh wait I forgot some those aren't the real rackets the pros are using, they are PJ's. I say people should use what they like, can afford and are comfortable with or want to play or learn with. Anyhow I have seen guys walk onto a court with a 6 pack of the latest expensive gizmo racket and blow goats on the court. Sometimes they are very good, sometimes they sucked. But I never judged them on what racket they were swinging I watched how they hit.
     
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  48. A new 911? Yeah, it might not be too easy to swing...for you.
     
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  49. Richie Rich

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    i just found that i could play better, especially serves and groundstrokes, with the tour 90 vs the 6.0 85. not sure what the exact reason was. just able to do the things i normally do on the court better with the tour 90 for some reason.

    to the OP - i think there is some bit of truth in that the 6.0 85 is a hard frame to master. however, you play with what you like best and what feels good for *you*. i gave up judging players by racquets a long time ago when a 60 yr old guy beat me with an old price aluminum oversize frame
     
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  50. netman

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    Wow. Had no idea this thread would grow so large. And take some interesting side trips. :) Some random comments

    I was just posting my observations from down in the everyman leagues. I don't get to the sample the rarified air of the top level players, so I was simply laying out what I run into when I play someone wielding a PS 6.0. I assumed others would have a distribution curve different than mine and was curious to hear about it. A good point was made earllier that you hardly see PS 6.0 wielders anymore and I have to to agree with that one. Over the last 18 months I've seen most of the guys I know that had used it move on to newer midplus frames. I hate it because most of them got better in the process. :(

    Can someone please tell me why PS 6.0 users react so violently to anyone's comment that maybe its not the right choice for 95% of the playing public? And why personal attacks are launched against posters who agree with this statement?

    And I why do folks here continue to advise 3.0 players to go and get a PS 6.0 to improve their strokes? If you follow that logic, then what they should really be doing is finding an old Jack Kramer or Maxply wood racquet. That will really force them to hone their strokes. Of course most of them will quit the game in frustration Tennis is about consistency. Telling folks in the 95% category to get a racquet that requires superior hand-eye coordination and hours and hours of practice to master and maintain said stroke mechanics just seems like bad advice.

    I'll stop now.

    -k-
     
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