How will Nadal mature as a player?

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  1. textbook strokes

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    I know by now he is unstoppable in clay, being only 19 (sorry Fed's fans for remainding this again but he is only 19 ;) ), but wich pattern will his game follow along the years?.
    I think his service will get a lot better, and being lefty it will be very hard to decipher. He also will improve his volleys, and those weapons will make him a serios candidate to the USO and the AO.
    His stamina will remain high untill at least 25, but he will also learn to optimize his court coverage. Anyway, I don't see Wimbledon in his future resume.
    In terms of personality, despite his ferocious desire to win, you can't deny he seems to be a great kid, and very attached to his family. In the future he'll become more open, and I don't doubt he'll be a great ambassador for tennis like Rog already is.
    Many people think he'll get injured seriously sooner or later, because of his phisical way of playing the game, but they also should consider that he is no the average player in terms of good shape (Nalby for example:cool: .
    Any other views?
    Pd: Obviously I'm a fan of Rafa, but I also root for Federer, so please don't turn this into a two sides thread
     
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  2. Grimjack

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    Nadal plays high-energy, one-dimensional tennis that relies on overtaxing his body and selling his longevity for a chance at glory in his youth.

    How will he mature as a player?

    He won't. He can't. Hasn't got the tools or the natural athleticism. But he'll be a great one while he lasts. Probably three or so more years as a clay-court force and occasional slow hardcourt nuisance. Should end his career with three or four slams and a HOF resume.

    Pity he'll always be haunted by allegations.
     
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  3. lucky leprechaun

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    His service is already getting better. If he can even slightly improve it more and keep that phenomenal first serve percentage, I think its the best route. And for a 19 year old I'm sure impressed he doesn't go for "roddicks", aka mindless bombing of serves that every other 19 year old would have an itch for. That in itself is impressive maturity because you know he could if he wanted to. I hope he's not a case of "the candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long".
     
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  4. superman1

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    It's interesting to think about. I unfortunately don't see a bright future for him, but I hope he does have one. It seems like his game is based on the energy of youth, and once that goes away, the game might go away. I can't imagine him being 28 years old and wearing capris and putting 100% effort into every point.

    However, he's also incredibly talented with a racquet so he could certainly adapt his game, and maybe even become better.
     
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  5. VamosRafa

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    Not a natural athlete? Many things may be said Rafa, but this isn't one of them. If he wasn't playing tennis, he likely would be playing pro soccer (football). Even while he was winning tennis tournaments, he managed to be the No. 1 goal scorer in Europe for his age group.

    I agree with the original poster. I think Rafa will continue to improve his play and will adapt better to other surfaces. He already is the solid No. 2, and I think he has further ambitions over the next few years.
     
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  6. dewey2110

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    Nadal is a very natural athlete, its easy to see thats his forehand was naturally developed. I have a pretty similar forehand with him, and I know where I got it. I was not trained properly since I was a younger like others(I'm still young). I learned from a friend the very first strokes with the eastern grip, and somehow my forehand developed itself into semi-western and western as the need of attacking back fast and powerful became necessery in matches.
    Nadal has great spirit and concentration. That's the biggest part about him.
     
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  7. fastdunn

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    He is one dimensional ? Not really. he actually has very talented hand
    and shot making ability. Nadal is un-mistakably unusual talent.
    Plus, 99% of top players play one-dimensional basleiner game anyway.
    Nadal is not more one dimensional than most of them.

    His game is taxing on his body? Maybe. But not that much. He actually
    wins majority of his matches pretty easily. Lefty game helps in that
    respect.

    His service: This is big question. Currently his serve is not a factor
    but if he can improve, this could be major factor a la McEnroe
    and Ivanesvich. Well not quite possible to be like Ivanesvich's serve
    but competent lefty serveis major pain. Then again players like
    Seles was never able to take advantage of her lefty serve...
     
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  8. Tennis_Goodness

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    I think he will have a great career, he won't achieve what Federer will achieve but he will have wrote his own page in the history of tennis!
     
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  9. VamosRafa

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    I totally agree. It's not easy being in the Fed era, just ask the other players on Tour. But Rafa seems to think, for some reason, that he can compete with Fed. And it's great that he can.

    In the end, I do believe Rafa will have his own page in history, and will be a Hall of Famer. But I don't see him eclipsing Fed's record. Still, it's good Fed has something to challenge him because, as I've said before, things would be less than exciting if he didn't.
     
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  10. Phil

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    Agree with this assessment. Re. "allegations", outside of this board (and probably other chat boards, though NOT "VamosNadal"), I haven't read of any allegations or speculation.

    If he doesn't have a great serve now, it's not going to improve significantly-to the point that it's a weapon. Ditto that for volleys. His game is already totally formed, just as Becker's was at 17.
     
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  11. Andres

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    C'mon... is it that hard to spell it right?

    It's Ivanisevic. I-V-A-N-I-S-E-V-I-C

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    nah, i still cant spell it...try spelling the aussie guy, what's his name again? mark phillopishippotamous?
     
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  13. arosen

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    For some reason? He beats Fed in what right now is fairly routine fashion. Are you being facetious? Yes? It's a good one.

    I personally think that his body will not sustain the grind of the hard court he needs to play on to promote his ranking. If he is serious about getting to #1, he has to play and win more hard court titles, but those are tough on legs, so he's bound to get injured again.
     
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  14. superman1

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    I don't think a 5 hour match 7-6 in the fifth is beating Fed in routine fashion. He's not going to be lucky enough to play against the Federer from Monte Carlo again. In the rest of their match-ups, you're going to see the aggressive net-rushing Federer.
     
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  15. ShooterMcMarco

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    he'll stop picking his butt for starters.
     
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  16. Buzzlightyear

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    I think most teenage tennis players will progress and improve in two major aspects. First is their physical condition. Some players got a major breakthrough when they start to pack more muscles in their body and channel the power into their game. The example is Pete Sampras. The second area is their mental toughness. Once their got more experience on the tour and start to believe in themselves, they will reach their full potential and deliver the results. Examples are Federer and Agassi. For the skill and technical areas, there is still room for minor improvement but basically their game is formed as they start at such a young age and everything has already been solidified.

    So, if you look at Nadal, he already has the strongest body and toughest mind in the business at his young age. I really don't believe there is much room for him to improve. And given his grinder style, he is at risk to go downhill once he start to loss his exuberant youth intensity and pick up some injuries. But of course he is still so young, no one knows how long he will last.
     
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  17. Tennis_Goodness

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    Who knows how long it's going to last? I don't think he is going to fade out and it's been said countless times:

    It's more hard to stay Number 1, then it is to get to Number 1.

    I do think alot of his success is because of his youthful exubuerence for the game. However, that does not last forever and I think once he gets older and starts chasing history the "not afraid" attitude will dissapeare. I really think that's what he has going for him especilly against Federer.


    Nadal has nothing to lose right now and is on top of his world. Once, expectations arise and he starts having something to lose, that's when I think he will start having trouble. That's what happends to every player. They become wiser and more intelligent on the court, but they lose the "Nothing to Lose Attitude"!
     
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  18. fastdunn

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    Nadal's youthfulness and energy are so strong and impressive,
    most people fail to notice how good a ball striker he is, IMHO.
     
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  19. norcal

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    Nadal is another in a long line of clay courters trying to break the mold and succeed on all surfaces. Ferrero, Moya, Kuerton, Muster etc etc were all going to be 'that guy' who could win the US Open. I do think Nadal will do better on hard courts and just the fact he wants to play on grass is a good sign.

    I think this French Open is pivotal. If Nadal beats Fed again his confidence will be sky high and could lead to a great hardcourt season.
     
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  20. WayneCM

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    it's really a hard one to judge i would really like to see nadal improve in something nobody(i think) has mentioned... Not relying so much on making everyball, learning to use his power and great ground strokes.... I think he will make the transition to hard courts but i doubt it will translate into a slam(Maybe the aussie open???)

    Then the big problem is longevity... At this point he looks destined for an injury on the hard courts unless he can make the slight alterations that could greatly improve his chances to hang around longer...
     
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  21. tennus

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    Agree. He's naturally gifted as an athlete plus he has work ethic, something other naturally gifted athletes dont have ! The one thing which hampers all the most promising players over time is injury. If he stays fit and doesn't have major problems it is likely IMO that he will progress to an even greater player than now(mind boggling):cool:
     
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  22. textbook strokes

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    People seems to think youth will only last one more year for Rafa when they talk about his energy decreasing. I'd say he has at least 'till 26 with full speed, and just by then having to adapt his game to a slower and less taxating rhythm.
     
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    quadruple post haha, you must be laggin bad man.
     
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    Man!. This is so embarrassing!. I'm using opera mini from my phone and it doesnt work fully like the pc browser. The damn "post reply" button kept sending me back to the draft and i didn't notice i already posted it!. Now it's 2am here and this thing doesn't give me the option for deleting. #####!! . I'm sorry.:mrgreen:
     
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  29. jings

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    As Federer hasn't been mentioned yet I thought I'd save someone else the trouble. Injury is the obvious worry for Nadal but why on earth would Federer go on record and say Nadal is one-dimensional. Clearly he doesn't believe that Nadal is going to mature into a very different player than the one already in front of us. I don't know enough about it, but clearly Federer has thoughts on this, right or wrong.
     
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  30. VamosRafa

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    Maybe trying to get into Nadal's head???
     
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  31. Tennis_Goodness

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    I think what Federer says is true and he was in no way saying Nadal was not good or was not going to mature. Federer speaks his mind and is very open and says it like it is. He knows Nadal is awesome on clay but Nadal does do the same thing over and over and while he is beating Federer it is not a mystery on what he does and Federer knows what Nadal is doing, he just hasn't been able to deal with it on clay yet!
     
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