How would you rate Henin vs Venus Williams vs Hingis?

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  1. justineheninhoogenbandfan

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    Right now how would you rate the careers of Justine Henin, Venus Williams, and Martina Hingis, all 5-time Slam Champions, relative to one another?
     
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    henin > hingis > venus
     
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  3. Alexandros

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    I'd put Venus first as she has reached more slam finals. Hingis next as she has held the number 1 position longer than Henin-Hardenne.
     
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    hingis = venus > henin
     
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    hingis - 5 grand slam titles (won 3 of the 4 slams plus reached the finals of the french open 2x), 7 runner ups, most total titles (42) and most weeks at #1 (209 wks) among the 3 players being talked about here in this thread

    venus - 5 grand slams (won wimbledon and us open and reached finals of both french and australian open), 6 runner ups, 33 total titles, had a very short stay at number 1 (11 weeks only, no year-end number 1 finishes)

    henin - 5 grand slams (won 3 of 4 of the slams and was finalist at wimbledon twice), 4 runner ups, 28 titles, finished 2003 ranked #1 (45 total weeks at number 1). it is also worth mentioning that among these 3 players, it is justine who was the best chance to get to 6 slams first.

    head-to-heads
    hingis-venus 11-10
    hingis-henin 2-1
    henin-venus 1-7

    based on all these stats i'd put:
    1. hingis
    2. venus
    3. henin

    of course, if ever henin gets her 6th major title ahead of the 2 others, then she moves up ahead of them too in the all-time list.
     
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  6. justineheninhoogenbandfan

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    Henin clearly has the best chance of winning slams in the future of the 3 IMO. Venus seems to have a hard time mustering the needed motivation, and even though she seems to be working harder then her sister the confidence/momentum just is not kicking in for her anymore, or she cant substain it. Hingis is done winning majors. Henin will likely win more, heck she reached all 4 slam finals this year, of course she wins more.
     
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  7. You cannot be serious !!!

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    Hingis > Henin > Venus - appearance wise
    Henin > Hingis > Venus - tennis wise
    Henin = Hingis > Venus - accent wise
    Venus > Henin > Hingis - power wise

    :mrgreen:
     
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    SIince when is appearance important in rating a pro's career?
     
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    Since companies like Nike, Reebok and Adidas as well as Wilson, Prince, Head, Dunlop pay millions of dollars to these players for wearing and using their stuff , and since millions of photographers, TV cameramen and fans place an importance in players' appearance. And I'm not just talking about the WTA, but the ATP as well

    Nah, you are right - strictly speaking from a career rating, it isn't important - but I wasn't referring to career ratings :D
     
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    Hingis>Venus>Henin

    This stands until Henin wins her 6th slam, which she will next year (I think).
     
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    It's not an important rating; it's the only rating to many. That's why every time people see JHH, they come out and bash her because she doesn't have the look to many despite her game is the arguably best in the WTA. LOL.
     
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  12. tennisfreak

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    I'm pretty certain Venus > Hingis and Venus > Henin in terms of sponsor money and popularity.
     
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    I'd say Hingis = Henin, and both are >Venus, as far as talent. Henin has a much more complete game (she's the Federer of the women's game) but Hingis is much more of a thinker and strategist. They are the only two players I'd bother watching for their tennis.

    Venus and her sister got their results mostly due to their superior athleticism.
     
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  14. You cannot be serious !!!

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    Yep, i believe you cos i have no idea about whose got the better sponsorship deals
     
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    Agree 100%. I wish I had venus or serena's muskles ..... And i love Henin's SHB - best in women's tennis IMHO
     
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  16. pirateofthecarribean

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    For now, I'd put Venus > Hingis > JHH, because Venus has the most number of three Wimbledon titles (the most prestigious title). Venus also has the most potential because she's the tallest at 6'1" and will be able to use her height and athleticism to stay on tour longer than either Hingis and JHH. Then again, at the end of the day, who's the best is really decided on who wins the next GS, and right now, that's a triple threat.
     
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    You can buy them, just like they did.
     
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  18. Jack Romeo

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    i disagree that venus' height is a factor in determining who among the 3 players discussed here gets to stay on tour longer. look at her - she is always withdrawing from tournaments. she doesn't even play a full schedule and she still manages to get injured for the few events she is supposed to enter.
     
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    Venus at her peak would slaughter Hingis and Henin, except for Henin on clay. Henin on clay would be competitive and maybe even have the edge. On other surface a peak Venus slaughters both Henin and Hingis. Henin at her peak is better then Hingis at her peak though.
     
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    What about football? Specifically, what about Ronaldinho?
     
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    Nice one ! But i don't see cameramen trying to take naughty angles of ronaldinho when he tries to serve haha:mrgreen:
     
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  22. Andy Zarzuela

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    Don't forget that VENUS OWNS HENIN-HARDENNE 7-1 head to head
     
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  23. anointedone

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    Yeah but Justine is 1-1 on clay, and her one win was super easy win, and the loss was 7-6 in the 3rd after Henin choked away a huge lead which should have been another crushing 2 set win. Both matches were before Henin first came into her prime in 2003 and when Venus was at her peak. That is why I said on clay definitely Justine at her peak>Venus at her peak. Any other surface though Venus.
     
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    I think Henin at her best is better than Hingis at her best. But in terms of greatness, Henin takes a backseat to both of them. Seems like she's going to be forever known as the choker and the wimp, whereas Venus Williams and Martina Hingis are already legendary names. Unless she wins more Slams, which may very well happen.
     
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    Henin known as a choker and wimp? I am not a Henin fan but how can you say that. She is known most of all for her mental toughness, she has won some incredable matches through sheer strength of mental fortitude. Hingis is not legendary for anything but the girl who got overpowered by everyone once power tennis came onto the scene. Henin plays very much like Hingis in alot of ways, but is a more powerful and athletic version of Hingis herself.
     
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  26. Andy Zarzuela

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    Williams leads 7-1

    Rnk/Seed

    Year

    Event

    Surface

    Rnd

    Winner

    Score

    Rnk/Seed
    2 / 2
    2001 BERLIN-GERMAN OPEN CLAY (O) R16 J. HENIN-HARDENNE 6-1 6-4
    18 / 13
    2 / 2
    2001 WIMBLEDON GRASS (O) F V. WILLIAMS 6-1 3-6 6-0
    9 / 8
    4 / 3
    2001 NEW HAVEN HARD (O) Q V. WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-2
    6 / 5
    3 / 1
    2002 GOLD COAST HARD (O) F V. WILLIAMS 7-5 6-2
    7 / 2
    2 / 1
    2002 ANTWERP CARPET (I) F V. WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-3
    9 / 2
    2 / 1
    2002 AMELIA ISLAND CLAY (O) F V. WILLIAMS 2-6 7-5 7-6(5)
    9 / 2
    1 / 1
    2002 WIMBLEDON GRASS (O) S V. WILLIAMS 6-3 6-2
    6 / 6
    2 / 2
    2003 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) S V. WILLIAMS 6-3 6-3
    5 / 5
     
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  27. justineheninhoogenbandfan

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    Andy Zurzuela "Mr. Lovesick Venus fanatic" nobody said Henin was better then Venus career wise, somebody said Henin is better then Venus on clay, which she is. Somebody says Henin is better then Venus on clay in their respective primes, which she is by far, and you rip them for trying to justify something. Desperate.

    Anyway Henin will surpass Venus by the time she is through anyway, Venus is a big old has been who is done winning slams. Henin still has alot more left in her and reached all 4 slam finals this year. Enjoy your old Venus footage memories, since Venus is the past.
     
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    Venus was written off in the recent past too, then she came out of nowhere and won Wimbledon in 2005. Is it that far fetched to imagine her winning another slam?
     
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    Ok she could come back and win another slam out of nowhere, but she isnt showing herself able to consistently stay on the top and consistently contend anymore the way Justine currently is. I dont know if it is too much hollywood like Serena, or something else, you dont hear as much about her demise as Serena's so it is harder to say the reasons behind it.
     
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    I agree that her days of consistently competing amongst the elite is probably behind her, but you said that 'she is done winning slams' - I don't think this is necessarily true with the Williams sisters, as both Serena and Venus have proved.
     
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    I don't think Serena is going to go away before winning another Slam. She's looking better these days, and you don't bagel Mauresmo if you suck at tennis. Venus is more of a question, which is a shame since I always thought she had more heart.
     
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    You pathetic moron, all I said was Henin would have the advantage on clay and there was nothing in their head to head that disproved that, but that Venus would have the edge on every other surface except clay. So basicaly I was in favor of Venus in my statement, but then you go and repost something you already did and I already read, and in no way goes against my original statement.
     
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    Mauresmo was pretty bad at the U.S Open though. Remember Sharapova bageled her TWICE in the semis, and she almost lost to a nobody in the 3rd round. She was coming off shoulder injury and was clearly not ready for the event. If she had a tougher draw she probably loses before the semis.

    Serena looked better at the U.S Open, but she has to keep going that way, keep the work she started doing before the U.S Open, keep the commitment she started showing again before the U.S Open. That is the only way she will reach eventualy where she wants to be again, or even win any slams again. Maybe hiring Nick as a full time coach, not a part time person to work with would benefit her.
     
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  34. Andy Zarzuela

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    I didn't say anything. Just posting the actual head-to-head. Henin-Hardenne might have a slight edge on clay, but Venus has improved on Clay since her early years. Now she knows how to slide.
     
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    Venus has been unlucky lately with injuries. If you're refering to her loss to Radwanska, if you watch the clip Venus was only hitting 1 handed slice backhands and was in tears. She should've retired from that match since she reinjured her wrist. Venus hasn't been that sharp this season because of that wrist injury. She's had it since Australia.
     
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    Venus and Justine's 2 matches on clay were in 2001 and 2002. Venus's best years by far were from 2000-2003. Justine was barely a top 10 player in both 2001 and 2002, then and her emergence as a Champion came in 2003. Who has improved more since 2001 or 2002 between Venus and Justine? That is a no brainer.

    Venus's "early years" would not be 2001 and 2002 which are 2 of the greatest years of her whole career, they would be years like 1997 and 1998.

    I dont see what is the big deal anyway, I conceded Venus was better on every other surface, alot of guys you could say were better then Sampras on clay that sucked as players compared to him still-Costa, Kafelnikov, Bruguera, Muster. It isnt a big deal that somebody is better then you on just clay.
     
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  37. pirateofthecarribean

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    Justine is of French background. Most players of Latin (French, Spanish, Italian, portuguese) background are good on clay because they normally practice on clay. I guess the player who wins most Wimbledon is a good measure of their greatness. In this case, Venus has 3 Wimbledon titles and Justine has 0 should give Venus an edge over Justine.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    I guess the weighting for the women's tennis tournies should be as follows:

    Wimbledon: 1.5 to 2

    US Open/French Open/Australian Open: 1

    Tier 1 Event: 0.4

    Lesser Tier Event: 0.2
     
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    Though I do admire Hingis' "dedication". I mean, she flies around the world almost non-stop to compete in tournies.
     
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    Anyway, my opinion: Venus > Hingis > JHH, at least until AO 2007.
     
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  42. capriatifanatic

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    Henin > Venus > Hingis

    Henin's career has surpassed both already.
     
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  43. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Talk about a bump, this thread is about 1 year old.

    1. Henin
    2. Venus
    3. Hingis :oops:
     
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  44. lambielspins

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    Sounds about right.
     
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    Currently I would say

    1. Martina Hingis
    2. Venus Williams
    3. Justine Henin

    But Justine is close to the top of her game right now and I wouldn't be surprised to see her her eclipse both the other players in 2008.

    Regards

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  46. grafrules

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    :lol: :lol: at Hingis above either Henin or Venus. Hingis has only 5 slams, and 3 of them are at the weakest slam, the Australian Open. Hingis only won her slams 2 years apart (1997 Australian- 1999 Australian). Henin has 7 slams of course, and won her slams almost 5 years apart (2003 French-2007 U.S Open) and won hers in the era of power tennis unlike Hingis. Venus has 6 slams, and all 6 are at the biggest 2 slams. The only advantage Hingis has over Henin is she has won both Wimbledon and the U.S Open, but Henin with 2 U.S Opens and the Williams- double in the late rounds to win the second there isnt much difference; and 4 French with 1 Australian blows away 3 Australian Opens. The only advantage Hingis has over Venus is she has won 3 different slams, but Venus with all 6 at the biggest 2 slams, while Hingis 3 of her 5 at the weakest slam, more then overcomes.

    Hingis is clearly below Henin and Venus already.
     
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  47. mrDamien

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    Hingis not a favor anymore in women tennis. Now totally Juju and the rest of russian girls dominance in tennis.
     
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    Hingis retired.
     
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    After broke up with Stepanek, her games even sucks........yeah she should thinking of retirement.
     
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