How would you rate your personal health & fitness level?

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  1. FastFreddy

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    funny

    5'11 150 is not heavy, I was 5'11 185 riding my 500 honda. I was only 5'11 138 riding my 125 and 158 riding my 250. Now Iam 5'11 198-209 no longer riding dirt bikes. Never rode an 80 in my life my first bike was a 125. I don't see how a tall kid could jump on those little bikes.
     
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  2. LeeD

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    I guess you get used to what you ride.
    Tallest rider I ever saw win 80 Expert was that Suzuki rider who does jump tricks, now autocross racing. X games multi winner. He was my height and riding and winning in 80's.
    JeffWard was about 4'8" when he got his Kawasaki factory sponsorship. The seat height on his 125 must have been 39". He used a milkcrate for starts, and had Dad pushstart the bike for him.
    RickyCarmicheal, no matter what Suzuik/Kawasaki said, was no taller than 5'6".
    Tallent trumps whatever god gave us.
     
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  3. 0d1n

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    Yes...it is common (actually required) around here to play 2 matches a day for tournaments. The draws are usually 32 (sometimes...rarely...48 with favorites moving into the second round directly...sometimes 64).
    Tournaments start on Fridays...and end on Sundays. When draws are 64 or bigger they usually start on Thursdays and/or finish on Mondays.
    Anyway...common thing is a 32 draw starting Friday...no bye for anybody.
    Friday you play one match, Saturday 2 matches, and Sunday (the finalists) get to play another 2.
    So you have to win 5 matches in 3 days to win the whole thing. That's how pretty much every tournament around here goes.

    Don't worry, those among us with little gray cells that are still alive "get it". I think your posts were very much on topic and very sensible :).

    Hmmmm, I actually think your very detailed posts about what bikes you used are the worthless...off-topic ones. Also your posts about how far you could throw a football in highschool or how you climbed walls in 1963 are the off topic ones as far as I'm concerned.
    As far as I understand it...ON TOPIC is to discuss CURRENT (i.e. ...in the present day) fitness level, and whether or not we are happy with this level.
     
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  4. FoldingChair

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    as of right now, i'm pretty satisfied with my fitness and health levels. I'm 20, 5 feet 8 inches, weigh 141, canregularly run a 6:30 minute mile and regularly do small races 5k's and such, play tennis 3-4 days of the week, and I try to eat healthy. I could use a lot more muscle though... my arms are a bit twiggy.
     
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  5. maggmaster

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    I am 30, 5 ft 8 in and weigh 155. A few months ago I ran a 17:15 5K. I can lift an appreciable amount of weight. Last month I did 10,000 66lb kettlebell swings in 25 days( A personal challenge) I play tennis every day for 2-3 hours and I am beginning to be competitive with the 4.5s at my club. My goal is to win a 35 national when I turn 35 so I am happy with my fitness but I still need to improve.
     
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  6. floridatennisdude

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    I guess I misinterpreted. Thought you were claiming to be training 4 hours per day, like a junior or full time pro. Was going to follow up with questions about your injury history.

    I see your point. I could play a couple singles matches and a doubles match in a day, if need be, as well. But that would be a lot and I'd take a couple days off after a 2-draw tournament weekend.
     
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  7. LeeD

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    "could play"....
    OK, I"m lame, can't run one step, play tennis once in the last two weeks.
    I can easily play 2 singles matches (2 out of 3 sets), and 3 doubles matches in one day. E A S Y.
    I'll suck at them all, I'll need food and drink, but I can PLAY all those matches. And I might need hospitalization afterwards, but I can PLAY those matches, as can anyone.
     
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  8. r2473

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    Pretty impressive Mag!!
     
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  9. floridatennisdude

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    True. I could run 100 miles in a day if I wanted to. Just not going to.

    I'm fit enough to play tennis for 1.5 hours every day and be fine.
     
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  10. LeeD

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    Bad analogy there, my friend.
    BTW, DeanKarnazes is one of my friends from windsurf racing. Just 10 years ago, he was number one in those century runs thru the deserts.
    We cannot physically run 100 miles. I can't run 6 miles in a whole day.
    But standing on the court, I can easily play 10 doubles sets, albeit at 2/3 of my speed :)):)).
    Couple years ago, I'd play maybe 7 doubles sets, 4.0 level, then drive down to the beach and windsurf for 2 hours, a full session for even the established pro level windsurfers. Figure I can skip the windsurfing, and play 4 more sets anyday.
    Have you ever tried windsurfing? It's not standing around taking one step back and forth.
     
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  11. ark_28

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    I can definitely improve but with me it's all about motivation! This summer I trained very hard and managed to play a 12 hours singles match but it's almost like I've now reached the top of the mountain I want to get back to those levels of fitness!
     
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  12. floridatennisdude

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    100 miles isn't impossible. I might be near death trying to do something so extreme, but it can be done. Even if I paced 12 minute miles for 24 hours with a break every couple, I'd make it. There are world record holders in 24 hour and 48 hour runs that easily exceed 100 miles. Google: Edit Bérces. She went 369km in 48 hours.

    No, I've never done windsurfing. Not much of a sea person. If I'm at the beach, there's a fruity beverage in my hand and a book in the other. Frankly, 7 sets alone sounds like pain...maybe at a low level, but not 4.5. I'd need 3-4 days off after that. Would much rather play 7 sets spread over 3 days (like I just did this week).
     
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  13. chrischris

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    Im very satisfied with my fitness. I can do a 10k in about 41 minutes when i have been running regularly and i can play 2 hours + without feeling sluggish generally.
    My gym work outs are becoming more frequent though i dont really like to do indoor gym work that much , i prefer to do stuff outdoors.
    I do hills every once in a while and feel that does great in a short time for the explosivitiy and metabolism.
    I do downhill skiing in the winter but dont feel it does a whole lot for my tennis.
    Want to do some more swimming and or some yoga but GF and kid limit my time .
     
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  14. LeeD

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    Poster 62, look up Dean Karnazes in google.
    He was the highest ranking ultra marathon runner in the world for a while, they have training films featuring him, and he's world reknown in ultra marathon, century, and double century racing.
     
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  15. floridatennisdude

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    He further proves my point. What's yours?
     
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  16. LeeD

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    Some people can run 100 miles in 24 hours. Some run farther, but not us.
    Playing 10 sets of tennis in 7 hours is easy. You don't need to run for every ball, do you?
     
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  17. floridatennisdude

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    Pretty sure I've been saying I could. I just don't choose to.

    I could also drive a car with my feet...doesn't mean it's a good idea.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    You can possibly disagree that playing 12 sets of tennis a day is much easier than running 50 miles, can you? For anyone. We didn't say you had to WIN all the sets, did we?
    But running 50 miles, slow or fast, you have to put out the effort.
     
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  19. LeeD

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    it's now time for you to visit ProPlayer's section and answer in who would you want to coach you....
     
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  20. NTRPolice

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    I've played like 6 or 7 sets of doubles in a day, but those are mostly casual games.

    On the other hand... there is no way I can even run 5 miles. The last PFT I had I struggled with the 1.5 mile run.

    My physical fitness level is very poor for someone with such a high energy game. If I dont put my 100% of my body into every shot my results go dramatically down. I'm at the point where just muscling the ball around the court with bad footwork and prep greatly reduces accuracy.

    I need a much higher level of physical fitness. I just dont work for it.
     
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  21. LeeD

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    Is NTRPolice really my son?
    I can easily play 12 sets of doubles, or more, any given day. Maybe up to 8 sets of singles. I might lose the majority, I might not run or prepare like normal, but I can stand there all that time.
    I cannot stand there and run 5 miles.
     
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  22. DevilsChildXD

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    I'd say Im very unhealthy yet extremely fit. 10 on fitness and 4 on health lol
     
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  23. LeeD

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    I"m more 9 on health and maybe 3 in fitness
     
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  24. ark_28

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    When I played the 12 hour singles match in july I obviously paced myself and selected when to play flat out full intensity but that was 18 sets! I won 14 of them!

    As I say since then I have not worked as hard as I would like! I don't think you can just turn up and play 12 hours I worked pretty hard maybe I need to do something like that again to get motivated!
     
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  25. FastFreddy

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    Lee,

    How would u compare the air cool bikes from the 70's( suspension and power) to the water cool bikes from the 80's. I love the sound of a 2 stroke cr 500 over any new 4 stroke bikes. Do u like the new 4 strokes sound and have u ridden one? I have not ridden a 4 stroke, if I got a new bike it would be a Service Honda 500 AF which only weighs 213.8 lbs for 12k. They also have a AFX, Bailey and Elsinore models for 15k. I love to take on my buddy who has a KTM 350 SX-F that thing weighs 231 lbs without fuel. Do u think I could take him we are at the same riding level? I could just ride in 3rd gear haha.
     
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  26. WildVolley

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    I'm in the range of more fit than LeeD and less fit than David Ferrer. Unfortunately, on that scale, I'm probably closer to LeeD.
     
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  27. LeeD

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    OK, OK, I get it. I am not fit to say I"m a tennis player.
    Fast Freddy. I had the last of the aircoolers and the first of the following year watercoolers. Simple fact, air coolers were lighter by about 10-15 lbs., had the same power at the beginning, lost a bit of power, maybe 15%, after 10 minutes. Most motos barely lasted 15 minutes until you make Expert, then it might last 20 minutes until you enter a pro outdoor, but by then, you're shop or factory sponsored, and everyone is getting tired.
    I"m a lightweight, raced 3 Novice 250 AMA races on my brother's 250 Honda 4 stroke kit'ed by Champion, using a Champion frame with Cerianis, and Koni's, way back in '78. Mid pack starts, lots more control, hole shots in muddy conditions, but lack of power compared to two strokes. It only had 8" travel, front and rear, so was giving up some performance in whoops, gaining some in the turns. All 3 races at Dixon's ArgyllPark, few whoops, lots of doubles, sweeping turns and fast straightways. My '77 YZ, bought from an expert, had 12" travel and almost the power, it was a 125.
    I like the four strokeYZ's-426 for general goof around riding, but maybe not for racing Open class. I need something with a lower center of gravity, so would pick a torque oriented 2 stroke of around that size motor.
    Some riding style work better with powerful 4 strokes, while other's prefer a lighter weight, better turning bike.
     
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  28. FastFreddy

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    Cool, so if u could buy any new bike today money no object what would u buy? I think the cr500's use to race open or was it master's class? I think that class has been long gone right? I did not know they had 4 stroke dirt bikes in the 70's I thought 4 stroke dirt bikes came out in the 90's. Have u ridden any of the new 4 stroke bikes. When I hear the new 4 strokes they sounded funny compared to a 2 stroke. Just like I love the sound of a chevy bb over a chevy sb.
     
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  29. LeeD

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    Husky had a 4 stroke 450 in 1983.
    ATK started 4 stroke 550's then.
    KTM was working on one, didn't come out by '83.
    There was a fourstroke class Pro race at IndianDunes, but those bikes weren't proven for moto and the bikes cost well over $3,500 a fortune to me, since I was getting Suzuki's and Kawasaki's for about 800 bucks, brand new.
    Only real 4 stroke I've ridden is the blue YZF, maybe 426, I don't remember.
    I took up windsurfing in late '83, and haven't looked back, except to keep track of my mates from the '80's.
     
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  30. FastFreddy

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    Service Honda AF 500

    When I retire I want to buy a Service Honda AF 500 213lbs with 60hp and ride all day long!!



    If you’re one of those riders who believes the slogans on motorcycle T-shirts (or, better yet, thinks they are talking about you) or if you find four-strokes boringly civilized, then Service Honda built its CR500AF for you. Many riders in their 20s have never experienced a 500cc two-stroke, and most have never turned a wheel in competition on one. In terms of outright horsepower and torque, a typical 500 isn’t much more muscular than a contemporary four-stroke. But whereas a four-stroke builds power smoothly, the 500cc two-stroke has steps in the powerband in which boost builds explosively. For example, the Honda CR500R engine used by Service Honda is tame compared with one from 1985, but it (and virtually all CR500Rs) still has a spot in the midrange at which the power jumps 18 horsepower in 1500 rpm! That can be a handicap in some situations; but when there are hills, deep sand or loam straights, sweepers or long start areas, a 500 makes you feel as if you’re attached to the end of a giant rubber band, and the giant just let it fly. In other words, this bike is for power fanatics who can’t get enough of the sheer thrill of acceleration. It isn’t completely civilized, but it is a rush.Sort Of A Honda
    Honda quit making the CR500R several years ago, but even before it did, there were 500cc addicts who chafed at the fact that their favorite open bike was languishing in a technology dead zone. The 500 remained unchanged through three upgraded models of the CR250R before being dropped from the lineup. Service Honda answered the demand for a modern CR500R in 1997 by squeezing the 500 mill into the then-new CR250R aluminum chassis. As each new generation of the CR250R chassis enters production, Service develops a new bike around it-until now. The problem is the CR250R has been technologically suffering a little, and selling the leftover engines has been slow. These days, the CRF four-strokes have the most-modern version of Honda’s aluminum chassis, so Service decided to create the ’05 500AF using the CRF250R four-stroke chassis, since it is the latest (fourth-generation) design from Honda while the CR250R still has the third-generation rendition.As a result, in terms of handling and ergonomics, the CR500AF is actually as modern as any Honda motocross or off-road bike.What’s It Like?
    The feeling is somewhat hard to explain. It is difficult to even imagine the sheer level of excitement and acceleration a CR500R generates. Add in the fact that its CRF250R chassis feels lighter and smaller than the older steel-framed CR500Rs. It also feels as if the ’05 CR500AF has a shorter overall wheelbase. Naturally, the engine is kickstart only (for the moment; Service wants an E-start version to install in CRF250X frames for thrill-seeking off-roaders). Most important, Service claims the CR500AFX will retain its California green-sticker legal status. The CRF250X/CR500R pairing should be a good one, since most of the CR500AF units sold go to off-road fans, though some do live an all-motocross life.Despite the kickstarter, the AF is not a chore to start. It does like a full-travel, energetic kick, but it usually responds with enthusiasm to a decent effort. Vibration is strong compared with modern four-strokes but not bad for a 500cc two-stroke. The engine warms quickly and is ready to ride. We found ourselves modifying our trail rides to include longer straights, more hills and additional sweepers just to have more opportunities to let ‘er rip! The power is addicting, and the bike is happiest with most of the horses out of the barn. The $8999 suggested retail price gives you a bike with a 500cc motor in a stock CRF250R chassis. However, most of the customers looking for something this specialized also want some additional goodies. Our bike came with a billet rear caliper mount, billet engine covers and triple clamps and MX Tech suspension mods.Honestly, if you have a Service Honda in your sights, consider the suspension mods a must, as the additional weight (not too much) and power (roughly double) have a substantial effect. We didn’t ride one with stock suspension and would be surprised if it worked very well with this engine.On one ride, we ran dry with the stock tank 30 percent earlier than with an ’05 CR250R (also with a stock tank), so we installed a Clarke unit. It cleared the coolant fittings and spark plug better; we hardly noticed it while riding; and in the natural color, it is vastly easier to fill without overflowing. We’d consider this tank a must-have-even for moto.Track Time
    We spent a fair amount of time on the motocross track with the AF and found it clearly appreciates a fast track with a lot of flow more than a tight and jump-filled one. The power can be a little hard to control on a short-approach jump; but if you are good with throttle control, the bike will feel neutral in the air. It also excelled more in softer dirt than on sticky hardpack. When the Southern California rains came and washed out the tracks, we installed the available quiet spark arrestor and headed for the desert. With room to play, the bike’s fun factor ratcheted up even higher. You have to look for hills it won’t climb; and even with the stock moto gearing, the bike had plenty of ground-eating speed available. Whether you are on the track or off-road, the bike basically handles as if it’s a CRF250R, which means very well. The front end is definitely lighter, but we became used to it. Despite the added velocity, the 250′s brakes do the job in fine fashion.Finally, we took the 500 to Disneyland. Not really, of course; but as Disneyland is the happiest place on Earth for a kid, sand dunes are the happiest places on Earth for a 500 rider. They allow you to use all of the available power at will. Let the ponies out and watch the sand spray. And for the photos, we didn’t run a paddle tire or even a sand tire! We did have massive grins mounted up, though.Obviously, 60-horsepower 500cc two-strokes aren’t for everyone. If they had ever sold in great numbers, the OEMs wouldn’t have abandoned them. But Service isn’t looking to sell an enormous number. The company knows there are a few well-heeled riders in dirt bike land who think too much power is just enough for them. Most of them also appreciate the easy maintenance of a non-power valve two-stroke engine. It doesn’t get much more basic. The desire to own a dirt rocket such as this is primary, too. After man made the motorcycle, the next man wanted a faster one. The essence of American hot-rodding is shoving bigger, more-powerful engines into smaller and lighter vehicles. You just need to know if you are the hot-rod type. Similar to a hot-rod roadster, the Service Honda bike is distilled performance maximized and comfort and civility minimized.Contact
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    I used to love 500s for moto and off-road, and I have to admit this Service Honda is nonstop sensory overload. It is capable of docility, but why waste it? Sometimes you want the right tool for the job; other times you look for the right job for the tool. I spent my seat time looking for the best job for 60 ponies! As thrilling as the 500 is, I’m not ready to trade in my E-start four-stroke.Karel Kramer
    6’1″/205 lb/B rider
    I’ve ridden some of the biggest, baddest horsepower-spewing dirt bikes ever built. They were either extremely heavy twin-cylinder bikes or very short life-span, full-race motors. All were outrageously expensive. Not this CR500: It is just like the 2005 CR500R Honda would have built for all intents and purposes. It’s light, puts out big power-right now-and will last a long time. For the right guy, and you know who you are, this is a great bike. I rode it in the sand dunes for photos, and that was a match made in heaven. It is a little on the gnarly side for trail riding and even for moto; yet the one thing this Service Honda really proves is how truly good modern four-strokes have become. But there is nothing like the smell of premix in the morning.Jimmy Lewis
    5’10″/180 lb/Vet Pro
     
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  31. LeeD

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    Whoa dere....
    Did you ride the 500 CanAm, with 2 250 motors grafted together? Now that would be awesome, but to me, only on dirt track. My old neighbor 4 houses from me was GrandNationalChamp#5 in 1958, or was it '55. MartyMalchow. He'd have some top dirt trackers over his house when I was in 4th grade, and I was interested, but didn't know a thing about bikes.
    My bud Kevin one eye, who works at WiseSurfboards still, still has his Maico490, but my Kawasaki always got better starts, due to less power, but smoother power and better hookup.
    Even KennyRodriquez's RM-500 had worst starts than my 420, as he rode it one expert race and started 2 of 3 motos dead even with DaveCoupe on the factory Yamaha490. Too much power is not good for me, and Kenny was 190 lbs.
    I got to work for HarryHunt, one of the TeamYamaha private teams out of Brisbane, Calif, with DonGreene the main rider. My part was DunlopTires, never rode the TeamYamaha bikes, but got to scrub in tires at several EastCoast road tracks for ArtBauman and RonGrant of TeamSuzuki. Those 500 2 stroke twins would hit 10,400 rpm in 6th gear, supposedly 175 mph. I laid up the fairings and seats for them.
     
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    nice stories

    Funny how
    I think I would go with the Service Honda 500 AFX since it gets the Cail green sticker. The Service Honda AF 500 does not have the sticker but Optional FMF Q-series or Pro Circuit 296 series silencer can meet current noise emission standards. What does that mean for both bikes not sure about the cali laws out here?

    Funny how Suzuki and Yamaha killed off the 500 class since Kaw and Honda were killing that class. Now it seems like the 450 class will get killed by 13500rpm 350 class. The AF has an potion for head porting for 250 and Boyesen rad valve for 180. The 2008 Service Honda 500AF put out 65hp and a 2013 Honda 450 put out 55 hp plus the AF is 17 pounds lighter. Never got to ride a kx 500, Yanaha 490 or Suzuki 500.

    I would love to watch 500 2 strokes and 250 2 strokes race with, 350 4 strokes and 450 4 strokes. I also would love to see 125 2 strokes race 250 4 strokes. They could do like lemansa racing and have all those bikes race in the same race. I seen car races with 5 different classes on the the track at the same time it would be fun to watch the crashes.
     
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  33. LeeD

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    I"m not up on the latest stuff, homeless person that I am right now.
    For years, half sized two strokes raced against double sized four strokes, with technology and advancements in materials winning out for the 4 strokes, as the 2's weren't being developed, a decision from whatever factors.
    I used reed valves, and another kind of valve when I turned expert. Didn't really help, as it would indeed flatten out the powerband, but it also stressed the bearings, rings, cylinder walls, and gaskets LOTS more, with the major porting needed, cut pistons, and higher rpm to get the extra top end, since it seemed to add low/mid range. For an amateur like me, doing my own wrenching, I could race just as well for double the time using stock with port cleaning, jetting and airbox tuned to air conditions.
    Sorry, my brain is confusing things. I used reed valves in motocross.
    But I had a short stint at roadracing back in the late 60's, the rotary valve was what I meant.
     
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    cool

    Sorry to hear u r homeless, thanks for all your insight and info.
     
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  36. LeeD

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    Life is good.
    I"m 63 now, haven't had my own place since a one year stint in '95. Before than, not since '85.
    Some people like/need to lay down roots. Good for them.
    I"m more like a drifter, the world is my home, and where I lay my hat.
    Since variety is the spice of life, we can choose our own lifestyles.
    Currently living with g/f, who's at a convention in PuertoVallarta.
     
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  37. FastFreddy

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    Good life

    Wow, sounds great enjoy!!
     
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  38. FastFreddy

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    new bike Christmas maybe?

    Well I Iam going to get the Service Honda 500AF with a ported head, Boyesen rad valve and Ims 4.0 gallon fuel tank, replaces radiator shroud and FMF “Q” series spark arrestors. I will have lots of fun and get scared with a lightweight bike at only 213.8 pounds with 65-70 hp and tons of low end and mid range torque. Just have to wait for some tax money to come on in Feb 13th when I see my tax man. My last cr500 was like 235lbs and had 52hp. This bike is only 6 pounds heavier than a 2 stroke 125 WOW!! The 4 gallon tank should keep the front end down since gas is 6 pounds per gallon.
     
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  39. LeeD

    LeeD Bionic Poster

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    Well, you could save yourself from some loops by going with a less aggressive rear tire, a slower than normal turn throttle, or a heavier flywheel, that is usually after you tried everything you know to tame the beast.
    Wonder what the wheelbase is, and swingarm length, compared to standard 4 stroke CR-500's. I know some pros spec longer wheelbase on their bikes, especially outdoor bikes, for stability and to tame the power.
    I was never a fan of huge horsepower, even in 125 Expert, as wheelspin and traction offset the gain in pure HP. Even in starts, you still need traction besides pure horses. I hole shot a few VetExperts with a 125, and several with 250's, against the 500's of various makers in the class.
    OTOH, I"ve never ridden anything more powerful than the 4 stroke YZ-
    426.
     
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  40. FastFreddy

    FastFreddy Semi-Pro

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    specs

    The stock wheelbase for the 1985 cr 500 was 59.1 this bike is 58.6. It's built off a alm 250 frame.


    500AF 2012 Specifications



    ENGINE



    Engine Type 500cc liquid cooled single cylinder two stroke



    Bore and Stroke 89mm X 79mm



    Compression Ratio 6.8:1



    Induction Eight pedal reed valve



    Carburetion 39mm flat-slide



    DRIVE TRAIN



    Transmission Close-ratio five-speed



    Final Drive #520 chain; 14T/48T



    CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES



    Front Suspension 48mm inverted Showa cartridge fork with rebound compression damping djustability; 12.2 inches of travel



    Rear Suspension Pro-Link® Showa single shock with spring preload, rebound-damping adjustability, and compression-damping adjustment separated into low speed and high speed positions; 12.5 inches travel.



    Front Brake Single 240mm disc with twin-piston caliper



    Rear Brake Single 240mm disc



    Front Tire: Dunlop 742 FA 80/100-21



    Rear Tire: Dunlop 756 100/90-19



    DIMENSIONS



    Rake 27.2 degrees



    Trail 117 mm



    Wheelbase 58.6 inches



    Seat Height 37.6 inches



    Ground Clearance 12.8 inches



    Dry Weight 213.8 pounds



    Fuel Capacity 1.5 gallons


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  41. LeeD

    LeeD Bionic Poster

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    "1.5" gals? I thought you said 4 gallons. 1.5 in a two stroke isn't great range.
    Shorter wheelbase with more power more suddenly...hmmmmm not my cup of tea
    That's one low seat height..is it for real?
    Setting sag is going to be critical...short wheelbase, travel almost the same as ground clearance.
    Everything is going to depend on rideability of the motor, it's smoothness and transition to the pipe.
    Assuming 2 lbs for fork/shock weight...
    Assuming 4 lbs for radiator fluid weight..
    Assuming 4 lbs for tranny fluid weight.
    Assuming 28 lbs for 4 gallons of gas.
    A 1.5 gallon gas takes makes sense.
    I had a BSA500MX for two races with my cast on, it had a 1.5 gallon aluminum gas tank, and it sure made the tall four stroke motor seem not so bad in the corners.
    In my day, big bore and short stroke typically meant pipey motors, or at least really quick revving engines, rather than torque and tractible.
     
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  42. FastFreddy

    FastFreddy Semi-Pro

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    check out this article

    They have a clarke 3 gallon and a 4 gallon tank upgrade. In the article it states it was a 2 stroke 250 frame now a 4 stroke al frame.



    you’re one of those riders who believes the slogans on motorcycle T-shirts (or, better yet, thinks they are talking about you) or if you find four-strokes boringly civilized, then Service Honda built its CR500AF for you. Many riders in their 20s have never experienced a 500cc two-stroke, and most have never turned a wheel in competition on one. In terms of outright horsepower and torque, a typical 500 isn’t much more muscular than a contemporary four-stroke. But whereas a four-stroke builds power smoothly, the 500cc two-stroke has steps in the powerband in which boost builds explosively. For example, the Honda CR500R engine used by Service Honda is tame compared with one from 1985, but it (and virtually all CR500Rs) still has a spot in the midrange at which the power jumps 18 horsepower in 1500 rpm! That can be a handicap in some situations; but when there are hills, deep sand or loam straights, sweepers or long start areas, a 500 makes you feel as if you’re attached to the end of a giant rubber band, and the giant just let it fly. In other words, this bike is for power fanatics who can’t get enough of the sheer thrill of acceleration. It isn’t completely civilized, but it is a rush.Sort Of A Honda
    Honda quit making the CR500R several years ago, but even before it did, there were 500cc addicts who chafed at the fact that their favorite open bike was languishing in a technology dead zone. The 500 remained unchanged through three upgraded models of the CR250R before being dropped from the lineup. Service Honda answered the demand for a modern CR500R in 1997 by squeezing the 500 mill into the then-new CR250R aluminum chassis. As each new generation of the CR250R chassis enters production, Service develops a new bike around it-until now. The problem is the CR250R has been technologically suffering a little, and selling the leftover engines has been slow. These days, the CRF four-strokes have the most-modern version of Honda’s aluminum chassis, so Service decided to create the ’05 500AF using the CRF250R four-stroke chassis, since it is the latest (fourth-generation) design from Honda while the CR250R still has the third-generation rendition.As a result, in terms of handling and ergonomics, the CR500AF is actually as modern as any Honda motocross or off-road bike.What’s It Like?
    The feeling is somewhat hard to explain. It is difficult to even imagine the sheer level of excitement and acceleration a CR500R generates. Add in the fact that its CRF250R chassis feels lighter and smaller than the older steel-framed CR500Rs. It also feels as if the ’05 CR500AF has a shorter overall wheelbase. Naturally, the engine is kickstart only (for the moment; Service wants an E-start version to install in CRF250X frames for thrill-seeking off-roaders). Most important, Service claims the CR500AFX will retain its California green-sticker legal status. The CRF250X/CR500R pairing should be a good one, since most of the CR500AF units sold go to off-road fans, though some do live an all-motocross life.Despite the kickstarter, the AF is not a chore to start. It does like a full-travel, energetic kick, but it usually responds with enthusiasm to a decent effort. Vibration is strong compared with modern four-strokes but not bad for a 500cc two-stroke. The engine warms quickly and is ready to ride. We found ourselves modifying our trail rides to include longer straights, more hills and additional sweepers just to have more opportunities to let ‘er rip! The power is addicting, and the bike is happiest with most of the horses out of the barn. The $8999 suggested retail price gives you a bike with a 500cc motor in a stock CRF250R chassis. However, most of the customers looking for something this specialized also want some additional goodies. Our bike came with a billet rear caliper mount, billet engine covers and triple clamps and MX Tech suspension mods.Honestly, if you have a Service Honda in your sights, consider the suspension mods a must, as the additional weight (not too much) and power (roughly double) have a substantial effect. We didn’t ride one with stock suspension and would be surprised if it worked very well with this engine.On one ride, we ran dry with the stock tank 30 percent earlier than with an ’05 CR250R (also with a stock tank), so we installed a Clarke unit. It cleared the coolant fittings and spark plug better; we hardly noticed it while riding; and in the natural color, it is vastly easier to fill without overflowing. We’d consider this tank a must-have-even for moto.Track Time
    We spent a fair amount of time on the motocross track with the AF and found it clearly appreciates a fast track with a lot of flow more than a tight and jump-filled one. The power can be a little hard to control on a short-approach jump; but if you are good with throttle control, the bike will feel neutral in the air. It also excelled more in softer dirt than on sticky hardpack. When the Southern California rains came and washed out the tracks, we installed the available quiet spark arrestor and headed for the desert. With room to play, the bike’s fun factor ratcheted up even higher. You have to look for hills it won’t climb; and even with the stock moto gearing, the bike had plenty of ground-eating speed available. Whether you are on the track or off-road, the bike basically handles as if it’s a CRF250R, which means very well. The front end is definitely lighter, but we became used to it. Despite the added velocity, the 250′s brakes do the job in fine fashion.Finally, we took the 500 to Disneyland. Not really, of course; but as Disneyland is the happiest place on Earth for a kid, sand dunes are the happiest places on Earth for a 500 rider. They allow you to use all of the available power at will. Let the ponies out and watch the sand spray. And for the photos, we didn’t run a paddle tire or even a sand tire! We did have massive grins mounted up, though.Obviously, 60-horsepower 500cc two-strokes aren’t for everyone. If they had ever sold in great numbers, the OEMs wouldn’t have abandoned them. But Service isn’t looking to sell an enormous number. The company knows there are a few well-heeled riders in dirt bike land who think too much power is just enough for them. Most of them also appreciate the easy maintenance of a non-power valve two-stroke engine. It doesn’t get much more basic. The desire to own a dirt rocket such as this is primary, too. After man made the motorcycle, the next man wanted a faster one. The essence of American hot-rodding is shoving bigger, more-powerful engines into smaller and lighter vehicles. You just need to know if you are the hot-rod type. Similar to a hot-rod roadster, the Service Honda bike is distilled performance maximized and comfort and civility minimized.Contact
    Service Honda
    219/932-3588
    www.servicehonda.comOpinions
    I used to love 500s for moto and off-road, and I have to admit this Service Honda is nonstop sensory overload. It is capable of docility, but why waste it? Sometimes you want the right tool for the job; other times you look for the right job for the tool. I spent my seat time looking for the best job for 60 ponies! As thrilling as the 500 is, I’m not ready to trade in my E-start four-stroke.Karel Kramer
    6’1″/205 lb/B rider
    I’ve ridden some of the biggest, baddest horsepower-spewing dirt bikes ever built. They were either extremely heavy twin-cylinder bikes or very short life-span, full-race motors. All were outrageously expensive. Not this CR500: It is just like the 2005 CR500R Honda would have built for all intents and purposes. It’s light, puts out big power-right now-and will last a long time. For the right guy, and you know who you are, this is a great bike. I rode it in the sand dunes for photos, and that was a match made in heaven. It is a little on the gnarly side for trail riding and even for moto; yet the one thing this Service Honda really proves is how truly good modern four-strokes have become. But there is nothing like the smell of premix in the morning.Jimmy Lewis
    5’10″/180 lb/Vet Pro
     
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  43. FastFreddy

    FastFreddy Semi-Pro

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    Honda AF 500 options




    Engine Modifications



    Porting


    $


    250.00



    Boyesen Rad Valve ()


    $


    179.95



    “Service Honda Racing “Billet ignition cover (Fits CR250 -01)


    $


    147.99



    “Honda Racing” Billet clutch cover (Fits CR500 & CR250 87-03)


    $


    172.99



    Rekluse Z-Start Pro


    $


    629.00



    Rekluse Z-Start Pro installation


    $


    89.00




    Our clutch and ignition covers, as well as our rear disk brake guard (pictured in the following pages), are CNC machined from 6061 T-6 billet aluminum and are the highest quality available anywhere. Unlike other aftermarket engine covers these covers are domedfor strength, the bolt mounting flanges use full radiuses for durability and machined to use the stock Honda flat rubber seal.











    Suspension Modifications




    MX -Tech and Service Honda have joined forces to bring you the finest suspension for your CR500AF. We have thoroughly tested and specifically tuned our suspension to your CR500AF. When you order your suspension with your bike, we take care of everything. Your bike comes with the suspension installed on the bike, all you do is set the sag and you are ready to ride.



    Revalve front and rear with new springs, pistons, valving and oil tailored to your weight, ability, and riding conditions.


    $


    775.00



    Revalve front and rear with new springs, pistons, valving and oil tailored to your weight, ability, and riding conditions with Enzo fork subtanks


    $


    1200.00



    Also available is shortening of the suspension for shorter riders or for dirt track or super motard use, this includes springs and valving.


    $


    900.00










    The Enzo fork subtank system attaches to the fork and acts as a secondary tunable air volume. It has a special valve in the tank that allows the forks to act like they have a very low oil level on low speed or small suspension movements. When the fork moves more rapidly or uses more travel the subtank and the fork reacts as if it has a high oil level. What this results in is a fork that is much more plush on initial travel, yet has much better bottoming resistance.











    The Ultimate Speedometer




    The Service Honda Ultimate Speedometer includes Speedometer, 2 Resettable Trip Meters, Non Resettable Odometer, Average and Maximum Speed, Resettable Ride Timer, Non Resettable Hour Meter, Bar Graph and Digital Tachometer (works on 2 and 4 stroke engines), Maximum RPM, Adjustable Shift Warning, and 12/24 colck.



    With Water Temp.


    $







    $




    159.00







    169.00











    UFO Plastic



    Front fender


    $


    17.95



    Rear Fender


    $


    29.60



    Radiator Shrouds


    $


    51.13



    Side panels


    $


    51.13



    Front number plate


    $


    21.53



    Front disc cover


    $


    21.95



    Fork slider


    $


    34.45



    Rear shock mud guard


    $


    12.82











    Handlebars



    Universal Engineering Solex bar (CR High 5000-00-01)


    $


    89.95



    Universal Engineering Deuce bar (CR High 6000-00-01)


    $


    74.95



    ProTaper (CR High gold 02-4732, silver 02-4746, black 02-4772)


    $


    89.95



    Built rubber mount clamp kit for oversized bars (Gray S1024-006G, Red S1024-006R, Gray 10 mm taller S1024-016G, Red 10 mm taller S1024-016R)


    $


    49.95



    Handlebar Change Labor


    $


    70.00











    Grips



    Pro Taper Half Waffle (black 02-4795)


    $


    7.95



    Pro Taper Full Waffle (black 02-4790)


    $


    7.95











    Steering Dampers



    Scotts Regular Mount Damper Kit with Damper,ProTaper Bars, and Top Triple clamp. sct,


    $


    699.95



    Scotts Sub Mount Damper Kit (Requires seperate purchase of O.S. bars.)


    $


    529.95



    Scotts Regular Mount Steering Damper Kit.


    $


    469.95



    GPR Steering Damper Sub Mount Kit. (Requires seperate purchase of O.S. bars.) red afx = tr,20-0688, black afx = tr,20-0687, red af = tr, 20-0686, black af = 20-0685


    $


    449.99



    GPR Steering Damper Kit, Regular Mount for O.S. Bars (Requires seperate purchase of O.S. bars.) red afx = tr,20-0767, black afx = tr, 20-0766, red af = 20-0765, black af = 20-0764.


    $


    400.00



    GPR Steering Damper Kit, Regular Mount for Std Bars red afx = tr, 20-0733, black afx = tr, 20-0732, red af =20-0731, black af = 20-0730


    $


    375.00



    Steering damper installation


    $


    105.00











    Hydraulic Clutch



    Magura hydraulic clutch system (M0120493)


    $


    249.95



    Hydraulic clutch installation


    $


    70.00











    Graphic Kits



    Replacement 2010 250AF Graphics


    $


    159.95











    Chain and Sprockets



    Afam counter shaft sprocket (13t 90-0328,14t 90-0329, 15t 90-0330)


    $


    22.99



    Afam rear sprocket (47t 90-0224, 48t 90-0225, 49t 90-0226, 50t 90-0227, 51t 90-0228, 52t 90-0229, 53t 90-0230)


    $


    61.49



    D.I.D ERT gold mx racing chain (non-“o” ring) (1221-0002)


    $


    110.95



    D.I.D ERV2 gold off road “x” ring racing chain (D18-520VM-120)


    $


    166.95











    Skid Plates



    Works Connection skid plate (34-0833) glide plate style.


    $


    69.95



    Works Connection skid plate installation


    $


    35.00



    Works Connection case guard (weld on, works with glide plate)


    $


    64.95



    Works Connection case guard installation.


    $


    35.00




    Works Connection full skid plate. wrks, 10-077




    $


    199.99



    Works Connection full skid plate installation.


    $


    89.00



    E-Line carbon fiber+kevlar skid plate has wings for additional protection


    $


    159.99



    E-Line carbon fiber+kevlar skid plate installation


    $


    89.00











    Triple Clamps



    Built Upper


    $


    159.95



    Built Lower


    $


    229.95



    Universal Engineering Radius triple clamps (black )


    $


    375.00











    Exhaust



    Carbon Fiber pipe guard


    $


    149.95



    Pro Circuit spark arrestor (instead of factory sound silencer)


    $


    55.00



    Replacement Pro Circuit or FMF pipe


    $


    229.00



    Replacement Pro Circuit or FMF silencer


    $


    119.00



    Replacement Pro Circuit or FMF spark arrestor


    $


    159.00



    FMF “Q” series spark arrestor


    $


    159.00











    Wheels and Hubs



    Service Honda billet rear disk guard and rear caliper mount.Makes wheel changes easy and protects the rotor much better. Production parts will be anodized red or black with a machined wing highlight.


    $


    125.00



    Excel Pro Series wheel sets (gold/gold, gold/black)
    Includes Spline drive spoke nipples,carrier ring set and assembly.


    $


    Starting at
    1000. 00



    Excel Rims with Talon Hub wheel sets. Complete



    Starting at
    1200 .00



    Excel front rim (gold, black, red, silver)


    $


    153.48



    Excel rear rim (gold, black, red, silver)


    $


    168.48



    Nipple set (front)


    $


    19.78



    Nipple set (rear)


    $


    38.75



    spoke set (one set per wheel required)


    $


    84.00



    (Wheel modifications will incur a $120.00 per wheel labor charge)
    (Tire only modifications will incur a $35.00 per tire labor charge)













    Fuel Tanks



    Clark 3.0 gallon fuel tank


    $


    230.00



    Ims 4.0 gallon fuel tank, replaces radiator shrouds. (Ims, 212234-N1)


    $


    390.00



    All tanks are substantially modified for proper fit. (Sub frame bolts need to be checked for clearance on both above tanks. This issue also exists with the CR125 and CR250)














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  44. LeeD

    LeeD Bionic Poster

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    Yeah, that baby stock or mod, out in the sand with big paddle tires and floaty front, must be sheer heaven. Nothing like riding the beach on a 500 single.
    Narrow, twisty, hillside, blue groove tracks must be sheer torture, just a wrist flick from disaster.
    Sounds like a desert sled or Barstow/Vegas or Baja 1000 ride.
    Well out of my league in the dirt, you'll have to find crazy desert riders to practice with.
     
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  45. FastFreddy

    FastFreddy Semi-Pro

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    check out these two other bikes



    Service Honda Bailey Replica 500AF - Inspired by greatness

    photo of 2010 model.






    Inspired by factory honda 500cc pilot and motocross legend David Bailey. Service Honda's Bailey Works Replica is truly a rolling testament to the the former National Champ and we've outfitted this bike to truly be unique and one-of-kind. From the custom painted red frame, gold wheels, through a complete graphic kit which brings the national number one bike back to life in a big way!

    Service Honda has been creating “Handcrafted Works or Art” for over a decade and produces both 2 and 4 stroke models for all types of riding disciplines— Moto, Off-Road, Dual Sport or Motard and are even available in youth models! Service Honda creates these visually stunning machines as Brand New OEM models with financing available. Service Honda can also completely customize your bike for you as it’s being built up with every possible amount of trickery you would like to throw at it. Suspension Modifications, Works Power Engine Tuning, Custom Paint, Wheels and Tires, Aftermarket Billet and more. All backed with the quality and detail you’ve come to expect from Service Honda.

































    New for 2010
    •New blue silicone coolant hoses molded specifically for the 500AF increase durability, provide improved fit, and enhance visual appeal.
    •Reshaped works-style 240mm front brake rotor is 1.3 ounces lighter. Front disk guard is smaller, lighter and vented.
    •New 240mm rear brake rotor features works-style pattern and is 1.0 once lighter. New plastic disc guard saves 4 grams of weight.
    •New handgrip is 3mm longer.

    Exclusive 500AF Features
    •Bike can be custom built to your specifications prior to delivery.
    •The quality, reliability, fit, and finish you expect from Service Honda.
    •Slim design combined with minimal bodywork to emphasize the beautiful frame and powerful engine.
    •Custom suspension using the latest technology tuned, specifically for you and your riding style is available as an option.
    •Fourth generation twin spar aluminum frame and swingarm offers optimal balance of rigidity and strength for lighter, easier handling in widely varying riding conditions. The forged aluminum steering head and tapered downtube section are optimized for frame rigidity. Tall swingarm pivot plates and thin frame spars create a narrow overall frame cross section for superb rider comfort and maneuverability.
    •Frame is matched to rider ergonomics to maximize handling and control operation.
    •Semi-double cradle frame design features a single large diameter tapered down tube. Two rugged box section billet rails attach to the base of the downtube and support the powerful engine. A forged aluminum steering head provides a compact and extremely durable mount for the frame spars and engine downtube.
    •Compact damper attached to the lower triple clamp and the steering head allows more aggresive steering characteristics and assists in straight line stability. Damping action smoothly progresses as handlebar deflection increases, wich produces very natural steering characteristics and feel.
    •Front and rear wheels feature HRC works-type lightweight-aluminum spoke nipples.
    •Revised, sophisiticated INverted Twin-Chamber Cartridge Fork.
    •Front wheel features large-diameter front axel and wide wheel bearing span for excellent rigidity.
    •Large25 mm rear axel diameter and large diameter bearings provide significant rigidity.
    •Rrear shock with revised internal design and valving for better bump absorption.
    •Large 50mm diameter rear shock damper piston for consistent damping.

    Unique Features
    •Gas tank capacity is 1.9 gallons
    •Optional FMF Q-series or Pro Circuit 296 series silencer can meet current noise emission standards.
    •Easy access air filter.

    Additional Features
    •Billet aluminum airbox front plate and machined billet aluminum hinges offer ease of air-filter maintenance and a strong hinge area.
    •Washable two stage air filter for optimal engine protection and easy maintenance.
    •Comfortable, durable controls and high-quality fasteners.
    •Stainless steel clutch cable for long life.
    •Removable rear sub-frame allows easy maintenance.
    •Front disc brake cover helps protect rotor and caliper from damage.
    •Chain guide material offers improved wear resistance, and service life is 5 times greater thantraditional materials.
    •Quick-adjust clutch perch
    •Adjustable front brake lever.
    •Works-type handlebar grips add to rider comfort.
    •Handlebar holders provide +/- 3 mm for or aft position to match rider preference.
    •Aluminum Renthal handlebar (971 bend) is rubber-mounted to reduce rider fatigue and improve comfort.
    •Dunlop D742FA front and D756 rear tires for good traction and cornering.
    •Wide, cleated stainless steel footpegs are self-cleaning, resist corrosion, provide excellent grip and fold for extra ground clearance.
    •Rear brake pedal and shift lever are made of lightweight aluminum and are designed to complement the riding position. Brake pedal features optimized ratio to match integrated rear-brake master cylinder design.
    •“Non slip” seat cover for increased rider control.
    •Seat cushion uses foam construction that follows the shape of the fuel tank , providing a smooth transition to increase rider mobility and comfort
    •Rider ergonomics are optimized by adapting the handlebar, seat and footpeg height to place the riders legs at the narrowest cross-section of the frame for improved comfort and handling feel.
    •All plastic body components (radiator shroud, side covers, rear fender, seat base, fuel tank, front fender, and front number plate) are designed to offer the slim, aggressive styling and light weight.






    Bailey Works Replica



    500AF


    $


    11999.00



    Bailey Works Kit (requires airbox mod)


    $


    275.00



    Airbox Mod (Requires Bailey Works Kit)


    $


    140.00



    Powder Coated engine


    $


    600.00



    Powder Coated Hubs


    $


    40.00



    Powder Coated Triple Clamps


    $


    40.00



    Powder Coated Frame


    $


    600.00



    DID ERT Chain (hl,520ert-120l)


    $


    88.22



    Excel gold front rim


    $


    153.48



    Excel gold rear rim


    $


    168.48



    Service Honda Master Cylinder Cover


    $


    25.00



    Oversized Bar Mounts


    $


    49.95



    Universal oversized bars


    $


    89.95



    Factory Connection blue Spring (1312-0077)


    $


    149.95



    Wheel Modification Labor


    $


    240.00



    Handlebar Change Labor


    $


    84.00



    Bailey Works Kit Labor


    $


    175.00



    Total


    $


    15,123.19







    500AF Specifications



    ENGINE



    Engine Type 500cc liquid cooled single cylinder two stroke



    Bore and Stroke 89mm X 79mm



    Compression Ratio 6.8:1



    Induction Eight pedal reed valve



    Carburetion 39mm flat-slide



    DRIVE TRAIN



    Transmission Close-ratio five-speed



    Final Drive #520 chain; 14T/48T



    CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES



    Front Suspension 47mm inverted Showa cartridge fork with 16-position rebound and 16-position compression damping djustability; 12.4 inches of travel



    Rear Suspension Pro-Link Showa single shock with spring preload, 17-position rebound damping adjustability, and compression damping adjustment separated into low speed (13 positions) and high speed (3.5 turns); 12.4 inches travel.



    Front Brake Single 240mm disc with twin-piston caliper



    Rear Brake Single 240mm disc



    Front Tire 80/100-21



    Rear Tire 100/90-19



    DIMENSIONS



    Rake 27.50 degrees



    Trail 120.1mm



    Wheelbase 58.3 inches



    Seat Height 38 inches



    Ground Clearance 13 inches



    Dry Weight 213.8 pounds



    Fuel Capacity 2.0 gallons



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    Colors Red



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  46. FastFreddy

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    Service Honda Elsinore 500AF - Vintage Tribute, State-of-the-art performance!

    photo of 2010 model.








    Inspired by the original 1974 Honda CR-125 and 250 with it's mean green and flash silver combination put Honda on the map with a look that was eye catching to say the least. Service Honda's Elsinore pulls the design cues from the original and handcrafts it around the mighty Service Honda 500AF 2-stroke powerplant. With colors that look this good it's going to make people's eyes pop out and jaws drop when you pull up to the line.

    Service Honda has been creating “Handcrafted Works or Art” for over a decade and produces both 2 and 4 stroke models for all types of riding disciplines— Moto, Off-Road, Dual Sport or Motard and are even available in youth models! Service Honda creates these visually stunning machines as Brand New OEM models with financing available. Service Honda can also completely customize your bike for you as it’s being built up with every possible amount of trickery you would like to throw at it. Suspension Modifications, Works Power Engine Tuning, Custom Paint, Wheels and Tires, Aftermarket Billet and more. All backed with the quality and detail you’ve come to expect from Service Honda.
























    •New silicone coolant hoses molded specifically for the 500AF increase durability, provide improved fit, and enhance visual appeal.
    •Reshaped works-style 240mm front brake rotor is 1.3 ounces lighter. Front disk guard is smaller, lighter and vented.
    •New 240mm rear brake rotor features works-style pattern and is 1.0 once lighter. New plastic disc guard saves 4 grams of weight.
    •New handgrip is 3mm longer.

    Exclusive 500AF Features
    • Bike can be custom built to your specifications prior to delivery.
    • The quality, reliability, fit, and finish you expect from Service Honda.
    • Slim design combined with minimal bodywork to emphasize the beautiful frame and powerful engine.
    • Custom suspension using the latest technology tuned, specifically for you and your riding style is available as an option.
    • Fourth generation twin spar aluminum frame and swingarm offers optimal balance of rigidity and strength for lighter, easier handling in widely varying riding conditions. The forged aluminum steering head and tapered downtube section are optimized for frame rigidity. Tall swingarm pivot plates and thin frame spars create a narrow overall frame cross section for superb rider comfort and maneuverability.
    • Frame is matched to rider ergonomics to maximize handling and control operation.
    • Semi-double cradle frame design features a single large diameter tapered down tube. Two rugged box section billet rails attach to the base of the downtube and support the powerful engine. A forged aluminum steering head provides a compact and extremely durable mount for the frame spars and engine downtube.
    •Compact damper attached to the lower triple clamp and the steering head allows more aggresive steering characteristics and assists in straight line stability. Damping action smoothly progresses as handlebar deflection increases, wich produces very natural steering characteristics and feel.
    •Front and rear wheels feature HRC works-type lightweight-aluminum spoke nipples.
    •Revised, sophisiticated INverted Twin-Chamber Cartridge Fork.
    •Front wheel features large-diameter front axel and wide wheel bearing span for excellent rigidity.
    •Large25 mm rear axel diameter and large diameter bearings provide significant rigidity.
    • Rrear shock with revised internal design and valving for better bump absorption.
    •Large 50mm diameter rear shock damper piston for consistent damping.

    Unique Features
    • Gas tank capacity is 1.9 gallons
    •Optional FMF Q-series or Pro Circuit 296 series silencer can meet current noise emission standards.
    •Easy access air filter.

    Additional Features
    • Billet aluminum airbox front plate and machined billet aluminum hinges offer ease of air-filter maintenance and a strong hinge area.
    • Washable two stage air filter for optimal engine protection and easy maintenance.
    • Comfortable, durable controls and high-quality fasteners.
    • Stainless steel clutch cable for long life.
    • Removable rear sub-frame allows easy maintenance.
    • Front disc brake cover helps protect rotor and caliper from damage.
    • Chain guide material offers improved wear resistance, and service life is 5 times greater thantraditional materials.
    • Quick-adjust clutch perch
    • Adjustable front brake lever.
    • Works-type handlebar grips add to rider comfort.
    • Handlebar holders provide +/- 3 mm for or aft position to match rider preference.
    • Aluminum Renthal handlebar (971 bend) is rubber-mounted to reduce rider fatigue and improve comfort.
    •Dunlop D742FA front and D756 rear tires for good traction and cornering.
    • Wide, cleated stainless steel footpegs are self-cleaning, resist corrosion, provide excellent grip and fold for extra ground clearance.
    • Rear brake pedal and shift lever are made of lightweight aluminum and are designed to complement the riding position. Brake pedal features optimized ratio to match integrated rear-brake master cylinder design.
    • “Non slip” seat cover for increased rider control.
    • Seat cushion uses foam construction that follows the shape of the fuel tank , providing a smooth transition to increase rider mobility and comfort
    • Rider ergonomics are optimized by adapting the handlebar, seat and footpeg height to place the riders legs at the narrowest cross-section of the frame for improved comfort and handling feel.
    • All plastic body components (radiator shroud, side covers, rear fender, seat base, fuel tank, front fender, and front number plate) are designed to offer the slim, aggressive styling and light weight.






    2010 Service Honda 500AF Elsinore Customized Features



    2012 500AF


    $


    11999.00



    Elsinore Kit (requires airbox mod)


    $


    375.00
















    Powder Coated Hubs


    $


    80.00



    DID ERT Chain (hl,520ert-120l)


    $


    88.22



    Service Honda Master Cylinder Cover


    $


    30.00



    Wheel Modification Labor


    $


    140.00
















    Total


    $


    12,712.22









    500AF Specifications



    ENGINE



    Engine Type 500cc liquid cooled single cylinder two stroke



    Bore and Stroke 89mm X 79mm



    Compression Ratio 6.8:1



    Induction Eight pedal reed valve



    Carburetion 39mm flat-slide



    DRIVE TRAIN



    Transmission Close-ratio five-speed



    Final Drive #520 chain; 14T/48T



    CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES



    Front Suspension 47mm inverted Showa cartridge fork with 16-position rebound and 16-position compression damping djustability; 12.4 inches of travel



    Rear Suspension Pro-Link Showa single shock with spring preload, 17-position rebound damping adjustability, and compression damping adjustment separated into low speed (13 positions) and high speed (3.5 turns); 12.4 inches travel.



    Front Brake Single 240mm disc with twin-piston caliper



    Rear Brake Single 240mm disc



    Front Tire 80/100-21



    Rear Tire 100/90-19



    DIMENSIONS



    Rake 27.50 degrees



    Trail 120.1mm



    Wheelbase 58.3 inches



    Seat Height 38 inches



    Ground Clearance 13 inches



    Dry Weight 213.8 pounds



    Fuel Capacity 2.0 gallons



    OTHER



    Colors Red



    Model ID 500AF5



















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  47. onehandbh

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    Do you guys have any good recommendations
    for an inexpensive commuter moped?
     
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  48. FastFreddy

    FastFreddy Semi-Pro

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    hello


    I called service honda and they told me the 2012 500af with ported head, rad valve, and rejetted carb will put out 68-69hp not bad for a 213.8 pound bike. I will use my tax and buy it Feb 2013 since u only live once. Some moto dudes put out 90-100hp from ths motor not sure how long they would last without a refreshing?
     
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  49. Mick3391

    Mick3391 Professional

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    HORRIBLE. 38 and broken down, I'm paranoid to go for it. In 8 months continual injuries. Two plantaris muscles, torn tendon in the foot/ankle, neck, golfers elbow, and last night, of all things, just teaching my son to catch the tennis ball on the ground, you know keep the eye on the ball all the way to the ground and catch it, I went down, and the back of my thigh torn or felt that way, I'm talking laying down with a grimiced face, UNBELIEVABLE!

    I don't think 70 year old men get as many injuries as me. I've NEVER had anything serious in my life, strains, sprains, cuts, no biggie, but this is NUTS.
     
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  50. LeeD

    LeeD Bionic Poster

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    I might be wrong, but one of my old Baja500 buds said the KX-500 had more than enough horses to go 100mph, but the desert makes you pay a huge penalty if you stuff the front end at that speed. He came in top 5 at least 3 years.
    Believe it or not, I'm starting to almost run on the tennis courts! After Sept. '07, I hadn't run more than 3 steps due to the ankle problem, but my body adapted, albeit slowly, and I can actually run for wide balls and overheads that land within 2' of the baseline.
    It's weird though, I can now get there, but I have to learn to setup the feet all over again, making this current evolution of LeeD by far the most clumsy...
     

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