Human Motivation what drives you?

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  1. chrischris

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    What gets you going and makes you perform ?

    The notion that you will be rewarded if you perfom well ? Or maybe the fear of punishment if you dont?

    I have been thinking a bit about these things lately. What motivates people to do what they do..Hmm.

    In our society it can be money that drives us to do work we dont really like all that much but if the rewards are there , well we bear down so to speak..
    does that make our perfomances improve if we have an incentive such as a year end bonus?


    Many questions. Do you guys have any idea and answers?
     
  2. sureshs

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    Fear............
     
  3. angharad

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    Being challenged. Not so much on the authority front, but being in a situation or confronted with a person that really makes me think through what I'm saying and why I believe or think what I do.

    In an academic situation, for example, I always did best in the classes with teachers that everyone else considered tough or unsympathetic. The really laid-back instructors that pandered to their students never motivated me.
     
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    Enjoying life. For some people that requires lots of money, for others not so much. I learned a while ago that I could be very happy if I make just enough to pay my bills, with a little bit extra for those few things that I'm passionate about (tennis, games, guns). That kind of realization required a fair amount of introspection, so it really should be no surprise that most other people are outward driven - that is, they're motivated by external forces that are probably not in alignment with whatever their true desire might be.
     
  5. El Diablo

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    "what drives you." See "pedantic high school writing exercise."
     
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    This sir is EPIC WIN.
     
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    Being better than everyone. My ego drives me.
     
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    So, if you can't be better than someone else do you quit like you do at CoD? :)
     
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    Basically. But I don't 'major' in 'minor' things. I'm the best I know when it comes to I.T (specifically networking computer systems). I'd rather be able to build and subnet computer networks than kill someone online:).
     
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    i don't know. i have done things that cannot be rationally explained. may be with some hideous connecting of the dots post fact.
     
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    That's another reason CoD sucks :). I would literally rage everytime I got teabagged. But yeah, unless it's woman on man, teabags aren't practical.
     
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    I'm closing in on 50, and have discovered some of the meaning of life.

    1. choose wife carefully
    2. have many kids (more than 2)
    3. do things early in life, that will make you smile later in life
    4. don't worry soo much about money, it comes and goes!
     
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    Im a slacker and nothing really drives me. Or I havent found it. I show up to work everyday and do a good job of not getting to attatched to it. Sometimes I wish I would just move somewhere and live like a bumb. But I couldnt take my parents through that. So I just go to work everyday and get my paycheck deposited twice a month. The world keeps spinning.
     
  17. sureshs

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    That is basically what most people do, without admitting it.
     
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    I remember when I first heard that line at the age of 17, it really floored me.
     
  20. Magic of tennis

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    There are very few motivation for human to succeed: first, money second, fame, third woman or man which ever you prefer.
    If I have a couple of millons $$, I will retire in my 40s for sure. I think most people except a few workaholics, would like to retire in their 40s if they have a couple of millons dollars.
     
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    Why do you suggest to have many kids? I heard from my co-worker who has only one child and he was very regreting. So I'd like to have 2 kids if I can. I will be fine even one if that happens.
     
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    Good man. Although I'd put education at the moment above playing sports. But the first choice is why I work.
     
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    essay: how to achieve world peace

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    In no particular order:

    Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony
     
  25. chrischris

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    Are year end bonuses a good way of getting people to perform their very very best?
     
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    When people have a stake in what they are working on, they tend to be more motivated.
     
  27. sureshs

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    Your friend Jiddu would say that ultimately the only motivation is fear.
     
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    Finding a way to enjoy the process no matter how deep you have to dig.

    The core of everything.
     
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    Interesting thread.
     
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    So then they perform better and therefore bonuses are always a good method for getting them to perform at the top of their capacity?
    Is it the case for any kind of job?
     
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    I don't think bonuses in the traditional sense are necessarily a good method. A company that's loyal to its employees will likely get better work from its employees. I really like how the grocery store Publix is structured - they don't hire for upper-level positions from outside, choosing instead to promote deserving employees, they reimburse employees for their education costs, only employees are able to purchase stock in the company, and associates can earn a bonus in the form of stock in the company in addition to outright purchasing it. All of those things could be considered "bonuses", but it shows that Publix is invested in its employees and it gives employees a stake in their employer. Every Publix I've been in has been well-kept and well-run, which I'd guess is a result of that work environment.
     
  32. chrischris

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    Yes , the more i think about this the more curious i get.
    Form the outset , its taken for granted that the bigger the payback at the end of the year the better the effort ,seems bullet proof to an amateur like me.
    But when i think of how people tend to get very tight when they know the stakes are high . Not so sure any more.

    There's gotta be reliable stats and studies carried out on this.
     
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    Not at all. In cutting edge jobs, bonus and stock options are the only way to keep good people. The supermarket example above is good for the kind of industry it is in, and the presence of unions in that industry (don't know about Publix in particular). The supermarket unions demand stable jobs, benefits and small wage increases, and a company which supplies that can avoid strikes or the unions themselves. In other industries, the good people stay only for money. Sure they will slog 18 hours a day in a start up for 2 years, but they do so only in the hope of the IPO or the sale of their company at a premium price to a big company. Heck, even devoted academicians jump to higher paying Universities or lucrative positions in the private sector, and they are supposedly in it for the passion.
     
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    That's in my order. ;)

    -Fuji
     
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    Ok , i can see that thats the way it currently works to keep people from moving to a competitor for some
    .But the question i am asking isnt really that. The question is whether or not a bonus as an incentive at the end of the year is a way to maximize the staffs performance. :

    Do they perform better due to having a personal bonus as a goal at the end of the year?
     
  36. LuckyR

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    Most efficient motivator: fear. Great but not very satisfying to live by, day to day.

    For day to day, fulfilling your personal philosophy is reasonably efficient and much, much more pleasant.
     
  37. LuckyR

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    What does your eldest think about #2?
     
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    Really?
    Fear makes all workers perform better? From Wall Street to Jack in the Box ?
    I doubt it.

    Have you read it or seen something that kinda supports this idea.?
     
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    I never said that. Fear is a very powerful motivator just as TNT is a powerful explosive. But I wouldn't use it to unclog my drain.
     
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    Ok .
    But what does then make people perform better in their professional lives?
    Do bonuses make them more creative and skilled?
     
  42. OTMPut

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    Not in all cases. Some times when incentives become asymmetric like that of wall street (i.e. get paid when you make money and nothing when you lose money), it ends up in unpleasant situations.
     
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    What do you mean here , what ends up in unpleasant places , the bonus or the perfomance or the worker on Wall St?
     
  44. OTMPut

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    The asymmetric incentive i was referring to usually results in increased risk taking (i.e. large risky bets).

    If the bet comes through, the person laughs his way to bank and if it does not, it could lose money for the company. I have not known the case where employees are required to "compensate" the company where a bet goes wrong and they lose money.
     
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    Ok,i see what you mean.

    Do you then think having an incentive of a year-end bonus in a place like this ( Wall St.) enhances the performance of the worker or not?
     
  46. LuckyR

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    Oh, that is well known. Having a say in one's own destiny motivates best over the long haul. This can be unusual to come by in a lot of jobs, unfortunately.
     
  47. OTMPut

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    it could, if it is properly desgined.

    however, it is a controversial topic. you could come across wide ranging opinions. i am of the opinion that asymmetric compensation should not exist.
     
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    Then Jiddu is a f'ing moron.
     
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    chrischris, is your motivation is love of abuse? this place is a cesspool of hatred and bitterness, why do you keep stirring it up?
     
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    And what about a guy who has him in the signature?

    Ultimately it is all about fear. Fear of poverty, fear of falling sick, fear of loneliness, fear of losing one's freedoms, and finally, fear of death.
     

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