Hyogen's Magic Wand Search is finally over!!!

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  1. hyogen

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    Here is my initial hit video with the strings it came with: (pure storm tour)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSu1mvC7Dg


    PT280 serving after a couple weeks:
    far view serve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pU9zaZaA3w
    rear view serve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWm9J4B_tr4
    left and right angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLz8XdQpssI


    EDIT: some ppl think I may never be cured of my racquetaholic disease/blaming my equipment, but I swear it's either this Pure Storm Tour or the Pro Tour 280 which I have started to see why a lot of people rave about it on these boards and why there are pros still using this racquet underneath their paintjobs.

    OK, so there's no such thing as a magic wand...unless maybe you had Federer's actual racquet :twisted:

    After about 6 months of intensive demoing, I have finally dialed into 2 of the same racquet: Pure Storm Tour & Pure Storm Tour Plus. Last night I made my final decision between the two: Babolat Pure Storm Tour Actually, the only thing that really impressed me was my 2 hand backhands with the Plus.

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    These are the characteristics this racquet has for me.

    1. Enough flex for my very sensitive elbow, but still some stiffness for some great pop. The Plus gave me a little tennis elbow.
    2. My best forehand racquet ever I believe. I can crush the forehand, jam people with tons of pace when they're up at the net. Choose which side I want to hit. I can even hit a Nishikori-esque jumping forehand if the opportunity presents itself.
    3. Great spin potential (16x20 pattern)
    4. Great targeting (98sq inch head)
    5. Great plow through. (Close to 12oz racquet). Very stable.
    6. Long grip (for 2hbh's). The plus was slightly better for 2hbh...
    7. Sweet paintjob
    8. Great serving racquet. I served better with the std. length over the Plus. Great spin on 2nd serves.
    9. Great for both low and high shots. Easy scoopability for low balls...and plow through for high balls.

    I don't expect to switch at all at least for a few years...maybe later I can upgrade if they come out with a new PST and I like it better. I will stay away from demo'ing racquets. Especially racquets I've already tried before, I'm not gonna give a second chance to. I'll just play around with strings and tensions and maybe lead with this PST.

    I plan on keeping my Head Classic Tour MP (slightly too heavy for me for serves but sweeeet groundstrokes) (sold to my friend...tried hitting with it again--nice, but still can't serve as well with it as pt280)

    Just got a Yonex RDX500 MP for $60 used! I hit pretty much as well for groundstrokes with this as the Classic Tour. Felt just as good as the RQiS 1 Tour, but lighter and easier to swing. I haven't served with it, but I'm sure it'll be easier than Classic Tour. (selling the RDX500)

    Waiting for my PT280 to arrive--hopefully this won't sway me from the PST. (yep, it did sway me...PT280 for life now).

    Might be getting 2 more original PC660's with suspension grip. (nope, not any more)

    Just for kicks I want to get someday...Head PC600, Dunlop Max200g, Wilson Pro Staff 85, and maybe a Head Trisys 260...or twin tube "zebra" Radical. (Nope, no more)

    Thanks for all the tips, advice, recommendations, and chastizing for changing equipment so much. Now I can really focus on becoming ONE with my PST.

    pasted from another racquet history thread. just for reference ;) These don't include my extensive demo list for the past 8 months.

    Here's my timeline of 13 years...


    1. wilson black and hot pink Wal-mart frame when I was 12 - smashed it on the floor of my house - can't remember if it was me or my dad who did it. About 13 years ago...wow!

    cheap ProKennex racquet from Costco for a short time

    2. Prince Thunderlite OS - for several years including all of high school and some of college.

    3. Ti.Radical OS short amount of time

    4. i.Radical OS a few years on and off--took a break from tennis for the most part (sold about 8 months ago)

    while I still had this, I bought and sold a Flexpoint Radical Tour OS...and a Prince Diablo XP OS.

    also Prince More Response OS gave these away. Prince TT Bandit OS for a little while

    5. Prince TT Warrior OS and MP. Liked the OS the best for serves...all time favorite. got this about 8 months ago---this is what started my tennis craze once again.

    6. FXP Prestige Team about 8 months ago I or so.

    7. Bumblebee Radical OS Trisys 260 china remake for very short amount of time

    8. FXP Prestige Team (again)

    bought and sold i.Prestige Mid XL

    9. Head Classic Tour MP - loved it except for serves

    bought and sold a Prince POG longbody MP. 28"

    10. FXP Prestige Team

    cousin gave me a M-fil 300

    11. nTour Two 95 - short amount of time...very sweet honeymoon phase with a demo I bought.

    bought Kblade tour, traded for MG prestige Pro, sold it.

    12a. Pure Storm Tour - currently using this still

    bought a used RDX500

    12b. Pro Tour 280 -- will try out today...hope it's love at first hit <3 (yep, it was)

    plan on keeping the pt280 or pst forever. i'm sick and tired of changing and having to adapt.
     
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  2. meowmix

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    Good luck! Now go out there and deliver some golden bagels :) Hope the PT660's don't sway your opinion:) AGAIN
     
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    Yeah ... I'm not buyin' it.
     
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  4. jayserinos99

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    Here's the last tip. All those other frames that you have?...SELL THEM. You don't want to be swayed. In fact, don't even bother getting the PC600, Max 200G, Pro Staff Mid, Trisys260, etc. Don't even think about them. Everything you've wanted in a frame (as you said) is in the PST, so stick with it. Good luck.
     
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    good point. I've just sold my head classic tour to my friend. im listing the ntour2. I don't think I can part with the rdx500.. ill just try the pt280 for kicks then sell. ill take your advice and not buy a pc600, max200g, ps85, and trisys 260 ever :)
     
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    LOL. I'm at least gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    the PT280's are going to sway you.

    then the PC660's, PC600, Dunlop Max200g, Wilson Pro Staff 85, and maybe a Head Trisys 260...or twin tube zebra.

    keep us updated tho :D
     
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    Going cold turkey is tough...trust me...I know :)
     
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  9. hyogen

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    I returned my 3 demos, and miraculously I did not get any more demos!

    I received my 2 Pure Storm Tours from GokuQ. I tried them out yesterday and here is the outcome:

    I am going to make a youtube vid just from my first hit with these 2 sticks and will post them up to the original post here.

    Not my best hit, but not my worst either. On the butt cap of one there was a sticker by the previous stringer. Signum Poly 56lbs both crosses and mains about 3 months ago. I didn't like this setup at all. Didn't get nearly enough control (spin) and the stringbed felt really dead. I put it down tried it later--still didn't like it at all

    My other stick came with a luxilon looking string (smooth)--might have been luxilon, but maybe it was a silver poly from Signum Poly. They were pretty tight at least 55lbs I would say (probably strung higher but lost some tension to around 55lbs). These were the Mains.

    The crosses were the same yellowish Signum Pro poly strings. probably around 55lbs.

    The setup was much better than the full signum poly setup at low tension. It didn't feel lively but I could generate better control/spin with this setup. Still felt pretty dead and not lively.

    I wasn't able to "CRUSH" the forehand as well as I could with the demo with full Luxilon setup at low tension--but it was still better than average.

    EDIT: today i hit with this luxilon-like main/signum poly cross again and i wasn't hitting any better--but still hit some nice forehand winners. Even with a bad stringsetup I'm able to hit a nice hard forehand.

    I think the demo that I tried before was 50lbs or less...very trampoliny, but still nice--good spin on shots/serves. Felt kinda dead still, esp. the backhand (the demo with luxilon).

    Any suggestions?

    I'm very interested to try out CAM's setup... Big Banger Alu Power Rough 16L in mains (for control) at 54lbs and Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex 16 in the crosses at 56lbs (for that POP).

    here's a list of pro string setups to get ideas from: http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/

    I am also willing to try out some sort of natural gut setup maybe hybrid. Lots of people here seem to have this cult following with Pro Supex strings...seems like the only reason is b/c TW doesn't offer it, but I guess it's worth a try.

    I've sold my Head Classic Tour 660 (tw remake) to a friend -_- He says he's tried several of his friends racquets and always thought racquets were the same...until he tried my PC660 :D
     
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    Ok, after some research I think I'm going to try out CAM's setup Big Banger Alu Power Rough 16L in mains at 54lbs and Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex 16 in the crosses at 56lbs.

    Shwetty[Tennis]Balls' recommendation of: nat gut mains at 65-67 lbs and alu power rough crosses at 2 lbs lower than the mains.

    Also,

    and I'm going to be playing around with:

    Mains:
    Pro Supex Blue Gear 1.28
    Pro Supex Big Ace 1.17
    Luxilon BB Alu power (rough and others)
    Natural Gut (most likely Tonic+) b/c of $$
    NXT tour
    maybe some cheap 17 or 18 gauge strings

    Crosses:
    Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex
    Luxilon (somewhat like Federer's setup-lol)
    NXT tour
    Pro Supex Synthetic Gut SpiralFlex
    Pro Supex Synthetic Gut Titan

    Hopefully won't be spending more than $20 per month on strings...Just so I don't go insane trying out different string setups, I am setting a 2 month limit trial period for me to try out as many setups as required to find my most ideal setup
     
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  11. iplaybetter

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    its a nice idea to find the right stick but nomater how perfect you think it is you will alway say what if
     
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    I guess so...but I'm determined to stick with this. don't have the energy to try out new things any more after 6+ months of switching racquets. I will now focus on improving my game
     
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    i am with my 335 and i intend to stick with it, but for all i know i will pick up a microgell prestige and love it, right now that is making me think but hey who knows
     
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    The search is truly over only when you discard all other racquets besides the one
     
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    i'm making progress. i really disliked both string setups my PST's came with...so i started hitting today with my new yonex rdx500. then i put it away after 2 minutes. :) I'm gonna restring my racquets tonight...and be a zombie tomorrow. yay!

    EDIT. Just finished stringing up one of my PSTs. I don't have nat. gut, but I do have NXT. I put that in the crosses at 56lbs, and luxilon alu power rough mains at 54lbs--similar to what CAM does--except instead of Prince synth gut duraflex, I used NXT.

    I'm gonna stay up and do another...This time it will be similar to Federer's setup. Luxilon crosses, and NXT (close to gut hopefully) in the mains...however instead of 55/52, I'm just gonna try out Schwetty balls' setup which I found on a different thread: "my (Luxilon) crosses @ 58lbs, and my (natural gut) mains @ 60lbs". then i sorta have to write an essay...3 more solid single spaced pages...
     
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  16. hyogen

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    nevermind, I'm just gonna try what he suggested -_- both NXT and luxilon are known to lose tension fast. this way I'll be able to feel what Shwetty feels after a little while...then what Federer feels after they start to lose a lot of tension :D so 66lb NXT mains, 64lbs Luxilon rough crosses

    EDIT: Just did it. WOW, a very firm stringbed indeed. My guess is that this luxilon cross with soft mains will eat up my strings in no time. I still haven't gotten an answer in any thread that I've asked why people put polys in their crosses. to firm up the string bed? can't you do that by raising the tension in the multi/gut mains? Hmmmm... I'm also guessing that Natural gut would last longer in this setup than this Wilson NXT 16.

    so far both about $15-setups...ok if I'm gonna string maybe once a month or 2x every 3 months... My thought is that I'm gonna like pro supex blue gear 1.28 a lot... $10 + $3 synthetic gut = $6.50 per stringjob!

    As for technique that I'm noticing that I need to work on-- I have much more topspin on my forehands than my backhands. My 2hbh are somewhat flat.

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    pic of last night (this morning's string jobs). I'm thinking I need something in between these two for stringbed firmness. but then again, my demo with full luxilon was nice and it was very very trampoliny and low tens.
     
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    ok... so i miss the demo string setup that i had. it was luxilon mains and crosses--pretty dang trampoliny. very low tension...but strings didn't move.

    My 2 setups from last night were not that great...very surprisingly, the luxilon rough CROSS at 64lbs and Wilson NXT in the Mains at 66lbs hit MUCH better than the other setup.

    This sucked: NXT crosses at 56lbs, Luxilon rough Mains at 54lbs. :'( I thought b/c of the softer NXT strings this would create some ball pocketing as well as the nice spin/bite/power from the Luxilon mains. It was not the case for me.

    keep in mind that i only slept about 3.5 hours and didn't feel good all day today. maybe that had something to do with it.

    I feel tempted to cut out the luxilon mains setup--and put something else in.

    I just picked up some Babolat VS Touch natural gut strings! most likely will not standardize on this as it's so expensive...but if it's a wonder string and lasts me a long time then maybe i can afford it once a month.

    Not sure what I should try next... Nat. gut mains, and luxilon crosses? (like Federer's setup). I really questioned the NXT main/luxilon crosses...but i was quite surprised today. It wasn't that great for serves.

    Should i try to reproduce the luxilon mains/crosses trampoliny low tension setup that the demo had--that I liked?

    I only hit for about 40 minutes today at most. maybe that had something to do with it too--strings not settled in or something.

    I guess I should be patient and not cut out my $15~ string job after just 40 minutes..
     
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    "IN A WHISPERED VOICE": Hey. Have you hit with your new Pro Tour yet?! :)
     
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    I haven't gotten it yet :( TheRed sent it to me via first class (i told him that it wasn't a rush).

    I just put a leather grip on my RDX500...i loved hitting with it with even the old PSGD in there...lacking some weight though I think..

    i'm researching right now on what tension I should try my very first natural gut setup ever at.

    when I get my pro tour 280, I should probably put nat. gut in there too ;)

    I just sold my Ntour 2 on the bay...went for $80+shipping! was 8/10 condition too with clear big photos. that's more than I paid for it :D
     
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    wow it's 1:30am..

    might go downstairs, cut out the luxilon main setup/nxt cross setup--yes it sucked that bad for me...put VS natural gut in there at a lower tension that the other setup... maybe 60 and 58 luxilon crosses.

    Or a full VS natural gut job at around 62lbs...yes.
     
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    Hyogen, just leave it alone!... STEP AWAY FROM THE FRAME!... Go and get some rest man, it's late!... dear oh dear ("SHAKES HIS HEAD")...:)
     
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    yeh...didn't take your advice. now i'm a zombie. but I do have Hantuchova/Clijster's VS Touch gut setup of 58lbs!

    I am convinced I should be able to hit better with that than even the decent NXT main/luxilon rough crosses today.
     
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    Thanks for your post, its interesting to me someone else has found their magic wand.

    For me when I started to play with the BB11 I felt that I picked up excalibur, I was delivering fantastic groundstrokes.

    The BB11 is still my excalibur, however, the one thing I didn't get from it was touch. I am a player who likes to drop and lob, and I also have ktour kblade as my drop and lob blade.

    The lower staticweight makes it a nice option for me, if I don't want to deal with the heft of the BB, but what I get in touch I lose with stability.

    It has become my choice against people who are not heavy servers because of the swingspeed of the racquet and the pin-point precision.

    I don't believe in having 30+ of one racquet and I don't believe in having 30+ of different racquets.

    I think there is a cost and benefit to different setups and I have 3 setups from 3 different racquets.

    I think "some" of the pros do that too, they use different weights on different racquets.
     
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    Don't buy a PS85, Hyogen, because you will love it. Then you'll have to buy another, then another, and so on, and so on. :twisted:
     
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    I want it.
     
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    sounds far from over
     
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    Frantic concern over string setup is one of the first signs that panic over whether the racquet is really the one has begun. Every racquet I've ever used for a long time just felt pretty good no matter what I put in it.
     
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    Soon a wandmaker will come with something better. Oak and unicorn hair anyone?
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    I like my PureStorm Tours with OG Micro 17 g at 58 lbs (constant pull machine). Very simple set up. No, it's not the Clijsters set up or Federer set up or SwettyBalls set up or Mojo set up, etc. Just plain $1.75 strings that happen to feel great in this racquet.

    Give it a try.
     
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  30. hyogen

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    I see. if I have a Crank machine, how should i compensate from what everyone else is saying about their tensions?



    i'll let you know how these play today:
    the just okay NXT mains/luxilon crosses--66/64.

    and my new 58lb full VS nat. gut setup in my other PST.

    i'm not frantically concerned about string setup...it's just that I don't want the string search to be long and drawn out like my frame search was. I want to get it over with in 2 months at most
     
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    I believe I read an article on the USRSA (US Racquet Stringers Association) web site that said the average difference in tension after 24 hours of "resting" after stringing with constant pull vs. lock-out machine was about 7%. So stringing on a lock out at about 62 lbs instead of 58 lbs on a constant pull will probably give you the best chance of coming up with similar feeling string jobs. But they also said that they won't be exactly the same. They will still play a bit differently. Not saying one is better than the other. Just different.
     
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    I'll have to try that. Gosen right? I think i might have that at home...maybe 16g though.

    I just cut out the luxilon cross, NXT main setup. LOL...i tried the setup again today and i didn't have the spin that I wanted.

    I dare not cut the natural gut setup--lest I be struck down by lightning for throwing away $35 worth of VS touch strings down the drain that fast. I think I would have liked it more if I had a tighter setup. Seemed to have a little too much power at times and not enough spin

    I just restrung it with 50lb Alu rough in mains, Gamma Synthetic Gut 16 at 52lbs in crosses. we'll see how that pans out. The stringbed still seems very firm-- the Luxilon full job in the demo must have been 40-45lbs... I actually got more power and more control/spin with this setup... very strange. Maybe once this setup loses some tension it will play like that demo.

    Can anyone look at the video in my orig post and tell me if they think my swingspeed is too slow?
     
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  34. JediMindTrick

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    WISPERING: The RDX 500 MP and the PT280 are better than the Pure Storm Tour. Why fight it? Let it go.
     
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    GIVE IT UP MAN.

    JUST PLAY AROUND WIT EM

    my god. i suggest trying TiMO?
     
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    50lb alu rough in mains, Gamma synth Gut in crosses 52lbs...was better but still what i'm looking for.

    I just cut out the crosses while clamping it down on my machine...then put in 44lb gamma synth gut in the crosses.

    I would imagine my racquet is fine even though I didn't cut out the mains -_-

    Still doesn't seem to have the trampoliny feel that I liked in the demo...may have to go even lower in the mains.

    I played best today with the Yonex RDX500 with enduro pro 65mains, 62lb Sensation crosses...but still not great. Lacked pop seriously..
     
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    for my own reference. thanks Bungalo Bill
     
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    Hyogen: I saw the video; Bill's comments are a great set of tips. You're a good hitter, but fine-tune the body/body positioning a tad and you'll be putting another 10% power in your shots. . . as long as you keep relaxed doing it!

    I checked on the feedback on your Babolat frame; sounds like an excellent pick. . . similar in some ways to my Volkl C-9s.
     
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  39. JediMindTrick

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    You have to string the RDX much lower because it's a low power/ high control racquet.
     
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    Thanks, I definitely need to work on my fitness as well. still have 35lbs+ to lose which I think will make me a bit quicker on my feet. my babolat has been feeling a tad heavy for me lately..

    ok. i definitely had better luck with the lower tension PSGD strings that it came with... funny thing is, a main snapped near the frame or maybe right at the frame within only an hour or so of hitting. Might have done something wrong or maybe I kinked the enduro pro mains while stringing it.

    I think this is what I want... something with tons of spin in the mains (blue gear or something). Strung really loose as well as the crosses. like 45lbs or lower. I really want the ball pocketing feel/trampoliny feel. I've deduced so far that the demo that I liked a lot had lower than 45lbs of tension even...maybe 40 for both mains and crosses with luxilon alu... If I try something like that and still don't like it, there's something wrong here D:
     
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    Hyogen: I couldn't tell exactly from the video since you had on a black shirt, but my impression was that you had some extra pounds.

    You're right about getting rid of it; this should solve the problem. I know I used to gain 10-15 lbs. in the wintertime and it would really impact how I got to the ball and my swing. Interesting that Bjorn Borg was so hung up on keeping the exact weight during his career: concern for stroke mechanics.
     
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    Yes, I am fat. One really wouldn't be able to tell by looking at me because I have a pretty thin frame. Was 135 when I went to college. Was as high as 165, but came out 155 or so....then in the next year and half I gained almost 50lbs and reached Allllmost 200.

    and I've maintained this 195 weight or so for a year and half or more.....

    so frickin tough losing it, but I'm down to 190 now. I desperately need to do something about it
     
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    Hyogen glad to see you've your holy grail... until the next time that is :)

    I must say that I wasn't impressed with this frame, too powerful for my taste and a bit too spin friendly I am a die hard 18x20 user :)

    Stability was nice... the racquet felt stiffer than TW stated but it could be me... I've played with the RDX 500 Mid, Dunlop MW 200G (90) etc. so I'm used to more flexible frames...
     
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    YES YES YES! finally I am close to what I want. And it's as I suspected-- the demo which made me fall in love with the racquet had luxilon strings that were so loose that when hitting against my palm I could feel the stringbed cave in quite a bit. It had to have been around 40lbs or even less! lol.

    so when I cut out my crosses and kept the Alu rough in the mains at 50lbs....and put new gamma synthetic gut crosses at 44lbs....the result is the closest I've gotten it so far! I think I could use even less tension...

    Even though this is low tension, I love the pop and power I'm getting from the string bed...and because the stringbed caves in/cups the ball I am able to rip shots with good topspin on it! Even better than with higher tension!

    Anyone experience that before?
    like really low tension giving you more spin and power b/c it increases the dwell time of the ball on the string bed.. instead of hitting a really tight stiff string bed and pinging off of it.

    Next time I'm gonna string my mains with Blue gear and then lower the tensions of both mains and crosses even more.. maybe 47/42. WOOT! That way I can pound away with the racquet and still get tons of spin from the blue gear

    Serves today weren't as powerful as what I was serving with the demo, but they were still much better than the last several string setups and I was getting very reliable topspin for my second serves.
     
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    Just be careful because the stringbed at such low tension could get mushy... well it is a matter of preference I guess... I used to play full poly at 27,5/26,5kg and really liked it, the crispness, the ability to hit as hard as I can... then I tried my friend Pure Control (old one, looong time ago) and it was strun around 24/23kg and I could really feel the ball stayed longer on the strings, the spin etc. However 3,5kg is a big jump in tension so it my feelings could've been that way because I played mostly with 18x20 racquets with poly strings at higher tensions.


    I'm looking forward to testing the new Pure Storm Limited...
     
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    i saw at the golf smith store the older Pure control Team for pretty cheap. was tempted to get b/c it was my racquets predecessor, but i resisted. do u have any experience with that one?

    what is 26.5kg converted in pounds? ah, i just converted it: 58.3lbs.

    23kg = 50.6

    yeah, i'm liking the tension (for this racquet) to be lower than 23kg even! like 20.5kg...


    I'm done with the full natural gut setup...58lbs. So I'm just gonna stick the racquet back on the machine, clamp it down, cut out the crosses, and put some gamma synthetic gut or NXT with like 45lbs in the crosses....keep the mains... we'll see how that goes
     
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  47. Automatix

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    Pure Control is a really nice racquet but as I read your posts you are quite delighted with a somewhat flexy feel of the PST so I don't think you'll like it. You can REALLY feel the stiffness of the Pure Control... it's percise, quite powerful in my opinion, less spin friendly than the PST, decent balance/weight/swingweight... everything is really nice except for the stiffness...
     
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    Ahhh, the old Babolat Pure Control! My, just the mere mention of its peculiarly inappropriate name has me conjuring up visions of rocket launchers!...

    Seriously, it was my biggest racket disappointment ever. I so wanted to like it, I've tried to get to grips with it twice. And in many respects I did rate it very highly - great topspin fh, thumping serves, and good for my 2hbh. However, along with many others, I could never quite handle its power and stiffness (and I generally like a frame with some good stiffness and oomph as well.) And you can only keep hitting forever long before it's time to move on to a frame with a tad more control. IMO anyway...
     
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    Sir Ross... the racquet is quite percise and controlable... with apropriate strings :) But I agree (which a wrote above) it is a powerful racquet although it was meant for feel play... Babolat overdid it with the stiffness, combine that with the Woofer tech, 98 sq. inch head and you have a cannon.

    But have faith brother! The Pure Storm Limited is on it's way to the TW grounds :)

    P.S.: The PST in my opinion is still a powerful racquet, not as powerful as the Control but still more powerful than most similar options you get from other companies.
     
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    Automatix,

    Good Sir, I confess, since those days of fine ludicrous nonsense over on the Babolat Alliance thread a year or two back - those days of course when I wielded the sacred Babolatian 'sword of destiny' (unless my presence was of course required inside the local tavern - which it frequently was!) - I'm afraid I haven't really kept that up to date with all the new Bab rods. However, if the PST is the one that was meant to be like a PC but less powerful (or like a Pure Storm but with more heft and oomph), then that's one rod I would still be interested in hitting around with some time. Tell me young Auto, quite how highly do you appraise said sword?
     
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