I´m sorry Agassi fans, but he´s a sell out.

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  1. Morrissey

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    Bash me all you want. The guy is a media *****. Why does he reveal this now that he´s retired? Simply because he needs something controversial to sell books. I guess telling the truth comes at a price of 30 bucks a copy. I´m just voicing my opinion but I have to express how I feel despite your reactions. He threw the game of tennis under the bus for his personal gain. After hearing all the stuff that he´s revealed so far from the book, I´ve lost alot of respect for the man. I guess I underappreciated Pete for simply being himself and just being true to who he was and not trying to play up to the media. Agassi put himself above the game of tennis when the sport possibly let him off the hook for what he did. Now he called them out for the favor they gave him by not suspending him. That´s low.
     
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    if he revealed it during his career he would have lost every endorsement deal under the sun obviously, plus a 'tell all book' is a 'tell all book' thats the point of it, and additionally because his school is all about giving street kids opportunity it could therefore be said that his admission is to inspire those who were involved in drugs to turn their lives around, agassi definitely turned his life around; and he really has come full circle, going from the man who only cared about image to becoming the man who would throw away his image to be honest and to inspire others
     
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    no he is not a sell out. he is a charismatic guy, who can't help the fact that he's not your average tennis player and that people actually like him. Maybe he should have been a musician. I probably would not be playing tennis then, neither would many, many others. Andre has made mistakes obviously. Then again, who has not. Tennis will be fine by the way. Why? Cause it's a great sport. Now the powers to be in tennis might be a different story. Why? Cause Powers to be everywhere are corrupt, and unfair. That's not changing. It would be wise for the players to look past this and not resort to criticizing Agassi. Why? Cause it's not really his fault. Other players have taken drugs, lied, and still been banned. I am sure most people in Andre's position would have done the same, and most would never bring it out later like Andre just did. So it makes the ATP look bad. So what. ATP is not TENNIS. just like WTA is not TENNIS. And they are far from perfect.
     
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    This argument makes people that understand logic want to cry.
     
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    agassi has only helped others by confessing this, he has inspired drug users and he has exposed the atp, agassi wins and tennis wins
     
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    What? that big corporations are corrupt? You think that's not true?
    They are sooooo fair. I agree letting Agassi off, while banning someone else is not fair.
     
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    Exactly!!!
     
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    Not gonna bash you for your opinion but I'm not sure I agree.I mean all this just to promote his book? The guy's rich as they come(he had crazy endorsements income during his career)not to mention that his wife is absolutely loaded with cash as well(woman won 22 slams for god's sake),is income from sales gonna make that much difference to them? I doubt it.

    Agassi definitely landed a blow against ATP here for reasons only known to him.I personally don't believe that the main reason is to promote his book.
     
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    therefore you are smilling right?
     
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    they say someone always fails to get the message, and in this case, I'm that person. Yes, I had heard that Andre has a book out, but I didn't know when it came out or what was in it. Care to enlighten those of us who do not know what youre talking about? :)
     
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    I would agree with this. I don't think Agassi is doing this just to promote a book. He might have just done it to get it off his conscious and come clean to the fans that love him. I honestly have no idea why he chose now, maybe he felt it was better he just told it up front before a bunch of people read it in the book, its the kind of admission you would rather hear someone speak then write down and then you read it, if he didn't say anything then dropped it in the book, some might feel even more betrayed by their idol then they do now.
     
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    there is not a chance that the timing of this admission has been planned without the intention being to do what is best for andre agassi financially. he could have admitted his failed test was his own fault in 1997, at any point afterwards in his career, or at any point since he retired, but he kept it to himself and will now profit from it at the time in his life when it suits him to come clean, because he has no more money to make from the tennis circuit, but DOES have a product to sell with the whole juicy episode served up inside.

    every autobiography has some of its juiciest details leaked to the press to build hype around the book so it sells more copies. it's part and parcel of promoting the book.
     
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    I think Nadal is dead right. The whole drug abuse question is in conflict. What was ok for Aggisi is not ok for other players. Where do you begin and end ridiculous situation. It now means that the whole tennis world as we know it has lost a lot of respect from people who knew nothing of this and like many of us hero worshiped Aggissi.
     
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    there are two parts to the drug argument, and agassi's part is not to do with performance enhancement. why do you say it is in conflict? i think it's pretty obvious that gasquet took cocaine then lied about how it got into his system, but he seems to be ok.
     
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    how could he have admitted it in 1997? if he did that he would have lost every endorsement contract he ever owned and he would have been criticized by everybody in the sport, that would be crazy suicide
     
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    There are 13 threads about this all over this forum and you've missed them all? I'm impressed.

    Andre's book is actually not out until the 9th, but excerpt rights were given to SI and the Times of London (and I think one other that I cannot remember). The Times chose to excerpt Agassi's omission that he used crystal meth in late 1997, failed a drug test, then wrote a letter to the ATP claiming that he mistakenly drank a spiked soda that belonged to his now fired assistant who had a drug problem. There are links in the other threads but if you do a search for Agassi meth use in google news, I'm sure you'll find everything you need.

    He also discusses his hatred for his father for forcing him to play tennis and his hatred for tennis until he dropped in the rankings and decided he really did care enough to fight back to the top.
     
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    The game of tennis is a game created by people, played by people, changed by people and can be ended by people. It's just a game. In the end, professional tennis, all pro sports really, is about money (there's a reason they call it a business), not the players.
     
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    Yeah right, because he's really revealing all this information to sell a book. Agassi is set financially for life he doesn't need the additional income from this book. Plus he's already sacrificed much more time and money for charity than Sampras ever has. Get off your high horse.

    I respect Andre even more - not for doing meth obviously, but for having the guts to come out and tell everyone when it would be so easy to keep it secret.
     
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    I don't think he's a sell out, but I can't believe people are viewing him as "heroic" for admitting his wrongs. Admitting your wrong only gets you back to base level. It shouldn't elevate you to some imagined heroic status.

    Anyway, I hope there's more to the book than "I wore wigs and took meth," because at this point, I've heard more than enough about those subjects.

    I hope he details life on the tour, gives gis take on certain matches, provides his impressions of other players and tennis personalities, sheds some light on courting (pun intended) Graf, talks bout his post tennis life, etc.
     
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    Television commercials and advertisements featuring Agassi and Graf continue to appear occasionally, even though by ordinary standards they haven’t needed money for a long time. I assume Agassi got an advance from the publisher and I also assume he paid his collaborator a substantial sum of money. Regardless of whether he 'needs' the money, he has every interest, not only financial, in ensuring that his book sells well.

    Much of this is a tempest in a teapot. The simple fact is that some juicy stuff was needed in the book for the sake of publicity, something that the selected press outlets would choose to excerpt and the rest of the press would take up, which would then start people talking about the book. Not at all uncommon in the celebrity book industry. Seems to have worked rather well so far.
     
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    ridiculous. agassi has more $ than he could ever spend. selling a few more books isn't going to affect him. he said it b/c he wanted to get it off his chest.
     
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    doesn't mean he couldn't have done it. i was just pointing out that it is utterly impossible that he is revealing this now for altruistic reasons, or for the good of tennis, and has instead timed it so that it suits him best financially. he absolutely COULD have admitted it in 1997, but you're so far down the money route apparently that you see this as a virtual impossibility. perhaps that's an unfair snap judgement, but, more importantly, the decision should have been taken out of his hands by the ATP and the testers but they chose to look the other way based on what was clearly bull**** evidence.
     
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    He didn't do it for the money from higher book sales.

    He did it for higher book sales.

    No one wants to write their life story to have everyone just yawn. The book would be a flop, and that's embarrassing. Gotta put some sensational stuff in there, or why bother?

    My reaction to everything and anything Andre Agassi does: *Yawn.*
     
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    he revealed it in the book because the book is titled 'open' which means he is being 100% honest about everything, that appears to be the sole motivation behind revealing it; btw id say he should have revealed it in 1997 if it was performance enhancing (giving him an edge over his opponents) but it wasnt performance enhancing at all (quite the opposite)
     
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    you make it sound as if he had no choice but to "write" the book.
     
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    ^ well he said that after he retired he read about everything that was written about him and realised how most of what was written was wrong, so he felt a need to set the record straight and decided to do it by being completely open about everything
     
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    If he puts a big amount of it - as he surely does - into his charities then that's OK with me.

    How many millions have you spent for charity?
    Not even one?
    How comes it then that you have such a big mouth here? :confused:
     
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    The foolishness and lack of common sense of some posters NEVER CEASES to amaze me. Yes, I am sure Agassi's overriding fear was low book sales. So, naturally, it was well worth it to admit to meth and toupees, to avoid the shame. As we all know, the world watches sales of tennis player bio's. All the arguments here about who has the GOAT sales in tennis bio's.....and an entire subforum dedicated to tracking sales of Mcenroe, Sampras, Blake, Tanner, Chang...and of course the historical arguments about Ash's book sales and the outdated publishing equipment used....but really, it's not just the extremists...obviously we all know and track the bio sales...but the general public....how could Andre show his face out there and face the looks...the mockery...."slow sales" the kids would whisper and giggle....good thing he found a way around it...now he doesn't have to be "embarrased"!
     
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    The Gasquet situation is still a matter of conjecture and has not been proven that he took cocaine knowingly
     
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    i agree 100%
     
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    Call it silly, but it appears you don't have a better theory, and the rest of the theories here are lame.

    He did it to raise money for charity? Uh, so does that mean his next move will be to make a porn movie? That would rake in the bucks too.

    He felt he needed to be "honest?" How naive. He didn't have to write the book at all, obviously. And he didn't need to (and undoubtedly hasn't) told us everything.

    He did it to stick his thumb in the eye of ATP? He could have done that with a press conference. And how dumb is it to try to embarrass a faceless corporation at the expense of embarrassing yourself and tarnishing your legacy?

    I have never thought Agassi was an especially smart guy. Far from it. He probably decided to write the book and succumbed to pressure from the publisher to juice it up some. He likely lives in a bubble of adoration and perhaps didn't realize just how dumb he would make himself look.
     
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    then go to sleep already!
     
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    I'm tired of all this Agassi crap. But remember when he won the US Open in '94, he cried, walked across center court in celebration, and also walked past his dad, never acknowledging him at all. Do you experts think that was intentional, now knowing that Agassi "hated tennis" because of his dear ole dad?
     
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    rafan you're right, absolutely right. it hasn't been proven and it can't be proven. but the andre case is relevant, because the ATP/testers believed what turned out to be a **** and bull story, allowing him to continue playing by turning a blind eye and believing a story that could not be proven to be true. the same thing has quite possibly happened with gasquet. the solution is for the onus to be put on the player to take responsibility for everything in his body and bloodstream. this is the only way to prevent this kind of controversy. there is clearly a feeling that it was one rule for andre and one for others surrounding this case. that should no longer be allowed to happen IMO. that is where my gasquet comment was coming from.
     
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    He didn't need "something controversial" to sell books. It's his life story. So, he shouldn't tell it because some morally self-righteous person thinks it would make him look like a "sell-out"? It's his life.

    It may lend itself perfectly to the selling of books. But, it is not less authentic for that. It would still be the same story whether or not it were in a book on sale. Have you ever thought about that?

    From what I have read so far, it seems he did "sell out" once, to the sport of tennis. He did not have a natural love for the game, but continued in the sport because it is what others wanted for him. It seems to me that the only way of reclaiming his life after that original "sell out" is to tell it like it was from the very beginning.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree. It's clear Agassi put a lot into this book and he surely doesn't want it to bomb. But the publisher probably had a fair amount of input as well. Apparently Agassi's advance was in the neighborhood of $5,000,000. No publisher is going to cough up that much without some assurances that the book will have juicy personal stuff that they can sell.
     
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    Well that's completely different. IF the PUBLISHER was worried about book sells and pushed him to juice it up, sure, that's plausible. I highly doubt Agassi stayed up nights worrying about the "sales" figures from his book! LOL. I am certain the people on this board would worry more about that than him, and WE don't follow the sales figures either. Ridiculous.
     
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    Agassi bowing to pressure from a publisher is quite different than Agassi worrying about being "embarrassed" from slow sales. LOL. Of course the publisher worries about sales. I find a few of the other "explanations" plausible, though I think you are all doing the typical TW grasp at straws to explain something that really doesn't need explanation. Agassi decided to reveal a couple "bombs". So what? I am SURE it does make his conscience feel better. I am sure it DOES seem like not a big deal to him now (not as it would have at the time). I think we're all FAR better off for knowing the truth. It happened. Keeping it secret doesn't change that OR help it.

    Funny how you think his desire to come clean is "naive". Speaks to your mindset certainly. You then seem to think that saying "he didn't need to write the book", somehow supports this premise, when in fact, it's completely compatible with it, and if anything, supports it. Weird.
     
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    ^^ :soft chuckle:

    You know, I don't think I'll take the time to explain things to you.

    Really, who cares?

    Cindy -- amused that anyone could say that "we're all FAR better off for knowing the truth" but glad that Datacipher's life now has more meaning because Agassi blabbed this stuff
     
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    yep. missed 'em all. so thx for filling me in.

    Guess that means his kids wont be playing pro tennis! :D

    If he hated tennis so much, he could have admitted the truth about the meth at the time it was discovered. It's a very unflattering fact about him that he was willing to throw somebody ELSE under the bus by lying and claiming that assistant had spiked his drink. Too bad he was willing to throw an innocent man under the bus with lies in order to keep on playing the sport he says he hated.

    What's wrong with that story? :confused:
     
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    A multi million dollar contract with Nike is what's wrong with that story. Although tennis is a solo sport, Agassi was (and still is?) a brand, an image, a CEO of Agassi, Inc, if you will. Nike had invested so much in him, including the jet and I believe a few staff people to handle his fan mail. If he had been suspended for his meth use, the damages would have rippled out far beyond one tennis player. I don't think it was just fear of his father that made him sit down and write that lying letter to the ATP. Perhaps he felt the weight of many lives on his shoulders. But that's just a guess on my part.
     
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    "open" is going to go down as the most successful autobiography of all-time according to reviews, so thank you agassi for deciding to write it
     
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    It' not about the money for him. He's always been an attention getter. This type of thing brings him back to the spotlight, which he never has enough of. If it means selling other people out, then that's a line he has no problem crossing.
     
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    It doesn't matter what I did, do you know what I do? Do you know what cause I stand for? No you don't. This is an open forum and I said my peace about Agassi. I'm not making false accusations in here like some of you are with another player. I'm going based on what is documented and giving my fair opinion. Don't like it? **** off. How about that?
     
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    Yep, that's pretty much it. A life story and the ATP being dissed for 30 bucks.
     
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    That was well put. I couldn't have said it better. Good stuff.
     
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    Well, it's not that different. Agassi could have accepted a smaller advance, but he didn't. He would have known what was expected of him for such a big chunk of change. In addition, it's common practice to submit a proposal to prospective publishers, and had Agassi done so, that proposal would have outlined what he was prepared to write about. I'm sure Agassi realized that a book with personal revelations was likely to have broader appeal than a book that focused on the tennis court.
     
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    i am surprised so many ppl are upset with him for exposing what is the truth... if he was as self serving as some say, he would wait until AFTER his Hall of Fame inductment to come clean or not come clean at all ....
     
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    This makes absolutely no sense to me. I believe he has sincerely changed quite a bit. I think he's coming clean for whatever reason and I don't see why anybody should be condemned for telling the truth especially when it makes them look bad. You really think this is going to hurt tennis? In what way? All the sports have survived drug scandals. They're thriving.
     
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    Some folks take sports WAY too seriously....
     
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