I am being tracked.....serious.

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  1. guitarplayer

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    Last month all sales reps were issued the latest iPad with Airwatch installed. I'm in the medical field in sales...I won't mention my company. The iPad is pinging a signal 24/7 as to my location. My company can pull up my location info at anytime and match it to the sales calls I've entered to see if we are lying.

    I went to the Apple store talked to a Senior Tech......just to see if my company was bluffing. His response......."you are screwed. They can tell when you leave your house, when you come home.....where ever the iPad is...it is beaming your location in real time.

    No more coming home early....leaving late.....stopping of at Guitar Center during the day...ugh.
     
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  2. LeeD

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    Big brother, 1984, is upon you.
    Cell phones, computers, even certain watches, car sensors, toll plazas, the list goes on.
     
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    Its a well known fact that the government places microchips inside you and follows your every move.
     
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  4. Talker

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    Just do the job.
    Leave the ipad at a bar when off work.
     
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  5. NadalDramaQueen

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    Don't give up, it is time to come up with clever solutions to this huge invasion of privacy. :lol:

    I'll never understand the need to watch an employee's every move. If you have no faith in their ability to get the job done then don't hire them or get rid of them. Humans aren't machines, productivity isn't a simple rate problem.

    As a first suggestion I will recommend a Faraday cage. You can run some simple tests to be sure it is blocking the signal.
     
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  6. zapvor

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    just turn it off?
     
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  7. LeeD

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    I thought most of this hi tech tracking stuff stays ON even when the device was turned off.
     
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  8. NadalDramaQueen

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    That's no fun. :lol:

    Blocking the signal or turning it off isn't a good solution if they want it on, of course.
     
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  10. SoBad

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    Oh gosh, that sounds awful.
     
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  11. guitarplayer

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    Exactly. Can't turn it off.
     
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  12. maverick66

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    tie the thing to a UPS truck and let them watch you stop at hundreds of houses and businesses thinking your a great worker.
     
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  13. ninman

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    Just "drop" it (accidentally of course). Then say "sorry, it got broken". Or tell them it was "stolen".
     
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  14. zapvor

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    get new job?
     
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    Get educated on David Icke's writings and get off your knees.
     
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  16. ollinger

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    I'd say the medical sales reps brought this on themselves. The ones who come to my office like to overspend at restaurants because they tell their company they took 6 docs out to dinner instead of 2 (and go to restaurants where they know the manager will falsify the bill), or carefully choose strip clubs where "Consolidated Enterprises" comes up on the credit bill instead of "Boobs a Go-Go." If it's Friday, they'll be knocking on the door when I'm with a patient asking if I can take 5 seconds to sign their pad screen (inferring I spent time with them) so they can make the week's quota of contacts. Yeah, I'd want to keep track of them too if they worked for me.
     
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  17. Fearsome Forehand

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    Let the battery die, a lot. :)

    Yes, that sucks. One of the only reasons to go through all the grief of being a sales rep is the ability to screw off occasionally. (I was pissed when they wanted me to carry a beeper. I can't imagine the GPS up your butt scenario.) F that, just turn it off if you are screwing off and tell them you don't know what happened.

    There has to be a countermeasure of some sort. But, frankly why would you want to be a sales rep for a company like that? That is rather intrusive. As long as you are making your numbers, they should not care what you do.
     
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  18. ramos77

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    strap it to pigeon, they will think you're "going the extra mile"


    seriously, get a new job. who does that?
     
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  19. NadalDramaQueen

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    It seems like the best thing to do would be to find out some more technical details of the tracking system. Find out what kind of accuracy and resolution they have.

    Once you have done that, walk/drive in paths that trace out obscene shapes and language adjusting the size of said shapes to the accuracy they have available.
     
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  20. Fearsome Forehand

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    Give the pad to a stripper as a tip. :)

    Better yet, sell it on e bay and tell them you it was stolen from your car.
     
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  21. guitarplayer

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    You are about 8 years behind on your knowledge. It is illegal to take anyone to dinner. Dinners and entertainment were stopped a long time ago in our industry.
     
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  22. zapvor

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    if it was stolen from car it wont match the **** gps location. unless you sell it to a guy that lived close to your car
     
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  23. ollinger

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    ^^
    Now I know why they're tracking you -- you're not taking enough people out to dinner. Ummm, no, dinners still happen all the time -- I've been to two in the last three months. What isn't done anymore is dinner for dinner's sake alone; there has to be an "educational purpose," usually an invited "speaker" who is supposed to discuss a medical topic, though usually spends more time discussing where we're all going on our next vacations.
     
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  24. Fearsome Forehand

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    Huh? If it is stolen it can end up anywhere.

    He really just needs to get another job. Or, just accept the whole Big Brother aspect.
     
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  25. zapvor

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    yea but you need to be careful:

    "someone stole it out of my car"

    "really....because you live in NYC, and the ipad travelled from NYC to Arizona"

    your story of stolen is not real good because usually the guy stealing is local. they should find the gps tracking to the guy say around 50mil radius. not going trhough a post office location, getting on plane, stop in minnesota, then to destination in arizona or wheere the ****y buyer is
     
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  26. NadalDramaQueen

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    Perhaps the thief sells the ipads online after he steals them. :cool:

    Not to mention that if the OP were to suggest it was stolen, it would no longer be suspicious to remove the gps tracking ability. Surely a decent thief isn't going to be lounging around with an ipad that is broadcasting his position to the world.
     
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  27. norbac

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    "They" are probably reading this thread right now.
     
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  28. Power Player

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    That sucks simply because a great salesman is producing and therefore making the contacts and having the conversations needed to build that business relationship. Nobody just hands you their money and the easiest way to see this is to track new business generation.

    I could see this happening in pharma because half the reps are party chics who cheerleaded in college. But med device? It makes no sense to me.
     
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  29. guitarplayer

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    Exactly. Ive been number one in the company the past 2 years. They say it is for safety purposes, in case our iPads are stolen, they could immediately find them. Or fire someone who isn't working a full day.
     
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    Id get a recruiter..find another gig. Im talking to a few companies in a different industry and they stressed to me that they hated micromanaging because you either produce or you dont. Place i am currently at is looking at everything every rep does all day long. I was in the manager meetings and was totally against it, but the owner is a control freak. It basically makes people stop pursuing opportunities and instead has them just make bad appts and calls just to make their volume for the day. I have watched everyones morale and production go down right in front of me due to it since now they cant sell how they are comfortable.
     
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  31. guitarplayer

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    Exactly, I spend more time checking the boxes all day just to look good on paper, when I could be doing the right things to grow business.
     
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  32. stringertom

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    Talk about being tracked...watch Person Of Interest on CBS. Actually, I was surfing here on TT tonight and caught this thread during a commercial break in tonight's episode.
     
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  33. ninman

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    Throw it off a building, then get a friend to call and say you committed suicide.
     
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  34. hollywood9826

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    Do you get paid salary. Or do you get paid on comission alone?

    If they pay you any type of salary they are paying you to work. Not go home early or get to guitar center. They are paying to sell thier stuff and increase the market share against competitors.

    If its commsion alone they just leave you to your devices.
     
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  35. vive le beau jeu !

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    attach it to a migratory walrus.
     
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  36. El Diablo

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    We're living in an a country where the true unemployment rate is probably around 20 percent, plus a large number underemployed doing part time or less gainful jobs, and this clown is complaining that his employer has the audacity to want to know where he is during the workday? A little perspective here would be nice.
     
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  37. Power Player

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    It's a good point, but there is always a counter point. A: a top producer who is #1 in the company is not affected by unemployment and will always be able to get a new position at another company. They are most likely being contacted by recruiters on a weekly to biweekly basis. B: do you really need to track sales people who are the top producers in your company? doesn't the money speak for itself? C: Being tracked like that screams "entry level sales job". I can see the new reps getting that treatment, but experienced professionals who have closed a ton of deals, have a huge referral base, and obviously have put in the time necessary to produce for years do not need that.

    IMO, the only time that company will probably check GP's location is if his production goes down. I doubt they will be looking at him much as long as he continues to hit his #s.
     
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  38. spaceman_spiff

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    When you're about to take some quality time, stop by a place where you might make a sales call and then leave the iPad hidden away somewhere that no one would stumble on it, like under a dumpster in the back.

    Then, shoot off to the guitar shop or whatever and go back for the iPad when you're done. That way, it looks like you were at a sales call when you were actually off having fun.
     
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  39. Maui19

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    So would a little courtesy--is it really necessary to call the OP a clown?

    I think the most Americans would bristle at the thought of having to carry a tracking device at all times during the work day. I know I sure would. And I certainly don't agree with the idea that a high unemployment makes it acceptable for employers to engage in these kinds of practices.
     
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  40. zapvor

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    true. the theif might not know about the gps but yea
     
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    If the OP is #1 in the company he has nothing to worry about. I have no idea regarding the size of his organization but I highly doubt that any company is "watching" for the ping from a bunch of Ipads every day/hour. When a manager has reason to suspect an employee is not giving 100%, this is a resource to verify or nulify their thought.

    I'd ask an IT guy at the company what is going on, or ask my boss(assuming a good relationship because I'm #1).


    Leave it at home or stop taking as much personal time as you are - if you're that sensitive to the ability to "track" you, I'm guessing you realize you're taking more personal time than you should.
     
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  42. 15_ounce

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    1. Hack into apple headquarter's server and plant a nasty virus so that all updates to any apple devices will render all apple devices unusable or make them all exploding to pieces.

    2. Create a duplicate robot of yourself who will do all the job for you and let it have your ipad.

    3. Do a brainstorm session with your company and convince them that ipad is hazarduous to human's health, i.e. causes anxiety, depression, high blood pressure, blindness, sore fingers and brain cancer.
     
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  43. sureshs

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    It will soon be used in police investigation, you just wait and see. Your company will say the info is private, but they will buckle under pressure if the police approaches them. Then lawsuits will be filed and a judge will make an ambiguous ruling about obtaining permission beforehand but still carving out exceptions, but by that time the practice will be widespread.
     
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  44. RoddickAce

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    This is a more efficient management control system. They probably used to randomly call the clients after appointment times to ensure that the salespersons actually went there, and arrived on time.
     
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    Where I work, every company vehicle was fitted with a tracker five years ago. It's there for two main reasons: one is safety as part of the lone-worker system, the other is for efficiency to dispatch nearby workers.

    There was a lot of backlash when it came out, with people fearful of how it would be used. The majority of objectors were the ones who spent half their time in the greasy spoon. Which everyone knew about, so it was hardly a secret that would be uncovered by a tracking device.

    In those five years, as far as I know there has only been one occasion where it has been used in a disciplinary case - and that was a guy who was going to be fired regardless, and the gathering of 'hard' evidence was just a formality. We have a similar policy with internet usage. That's also recorded, but would only be looked at if there were good reason.

    No one even mentions the trackers now.
     
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