I am convinced, Davydenko to win US Open

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  1. Breaker

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    Yesterday I was sat on a boulder meditating when something came to me, a vision more than likely.

    Think with me a second.

    Forehand like a rocket
    One of the top 5 backhands in the world.
    Great serve
    Some of the best speed and footwork on the tour
    Good transition game behind his groundstrokes.

    All of the tools are there, now some may be thinking "LOL! He always chokes against Federer how is this clown going to win a slam?!?!?!". Let's take a closer look at his competition.

    Fed: Too busy changing diapers and staying up late reading bedtime stories to get proper preparation, according to a thread here even a video game character made by SEGA (lmaolmaoroflroflLOLSEGA) could beat Federer -- the ultimate insult, also regardless of his last two slam wins he is not at the same level he once was, Davydenko will be fresh and at a high level.

    Nadal: Knees, his worst slam, Davydenko doesn't mind playing him on hard court anyway.

    Murray: Need we remember the demolition at TMC last year??

    Djokovic: According to this board he is done, and his slice backhand is like rice or something so he's irrelevant.

    Roddick: Difficult due to the serve, but Davydenko is on another level in terms or footwork/groundies so advantage Davy-D

    Del Potro: Most difficult for him -- considering his last two defeats at slams were to big guys who hit huge from both sides along with having big serves. Potential finals material here I think.

    The only two guys who own Davydenko are Hewitt and Federer (both have never lost to him and have many wins over him. Federer's has no chance but it depends for Hewitt how well his hip holds up -- on a hard court it wears on him more so long matches favour Davydenko.

    Someone out there may be thinking, "LMAO! This guy just got destroyed at two slams by one tournament wonder Soderling and choker mental midget Berdych how could he beat any decent player"

    Because he ****ing awesome, that's why. You lose, I win.

    Davydenko will win US Open.

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  2. hankash

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    hmm willing to place bets?
     
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  3. JeMar

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    I agree that he will win.


    The mob owes him a favor.
     
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    What, I don't get it
     
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    Davydenko is past his prime, cannot beat anyone from Top 4 and should retire.
     
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    everyone would like to play like davydenko
     
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  7. bolo

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    Average serve and poor transition game. His body seems to be breaking down as well, he's had his chances to win slams but has failed. Never really cared for his game, but wouldn't have bothered me if he had won a slam. I think his time has past.
     
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    LOL, I have no idea why but I laughed so hard at this.
     
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    Makes sense to me.
     
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    I think Davydenko's serve is anything but average.
     
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    What about JMDP, Tsonga or anybody else like that...

    S.S.
     
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    I think the analysis pretty thoroughly and accurately rated Davydenko's chances against those guys.

    If it's Davydenko vs. the field - I'm taking Davydenko.
     
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    Davydenko is so unpredictable, he can lose to anyone. I just can't see him win 7 consecutive matches in a grand slam.
     
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    Davydenko? Win a slam? Much less a hardcourt slam? Keep dreaming..

    Ive never seen such a bunch of people put so much stock in a bunch of LOSERS like Roddick and Davy.


    I mean sure.. Lightning can strike ( see Roddicks USO win in 03 which was even questionable in itself) .. But if it hasnt already, doubtful it will twice at least
     
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    There's a bigger chance of Davydenko winning a slam than Pete winning one (you know.. 0%) currently.
     
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  16. GameSampras

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    At this point.. I would probably give even 38 year old Pete a better chance than Davystinko.
     
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  17. dropserve

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    Davydenko for president!
     
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  18. JeMar

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    Laughable.

    Davydenko at least stands a decent chance of making it to the second week.
     
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    Yea youre right.. Davydenko is a funny joke. Another one of Roger's "awesome contemporaries":-|
     
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  20. JeMar

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    I realize he's no Galo Blanco, but he's done well for himself.
     
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    Or Fabrice Santoro.
     
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  22. grafselesfan

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    Davydenko is a glorified journeyman who just happens to hang around the top 5 or 6 somehow in this weak era. It is depressing to see guys like that year after year stay that high up. I mean 1 or 2 years would be fine, but maybe a 5th year he will get back up that high again after an injury layoff no less. Ugh. I miss when there were guys like Stich, Krajicek, Chang, and Ivanisevic there who atleast had the talent and ability to upset the top dogs, and had that little fighting chance. Sure they were unlikely and big underdogs if they went up against top form Sampras, Agassi, Becker, or Edberg. However you knew they had a little chance, they had the potential win take out any of the greats and even maybe win a slam on a given day, there was some threat and anticipation of what might happen. Now we have guys like Davydenko and Blake who you know will not, cannot, and never will do this.

    Will he ever win a slam, NO, NO, no, no, no, NO, no. He has nothing that can take him to a slam title. Federer and Nadal probably laugh at the sheer thought of ever losing to him in a slam final or semi, if he makes it vs one of them they essentialy look at it as a walkover I am willing to bet.
     
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  23. NamRanger

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    Davydenko should have beaten Federer in that FO SF where he utterly choked in all 3 sets. I disagree with you slightly; Davydenko is alot better than people give him credit for. I think he's a little bit more than a "glorified journeyman". That title belongs to Ivan Ljubicic.
     
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    Ohh ho ho, good one! How long'd it take you to think that one up? Like a year? :lol:

    I will say this much. Davy has done something in the past 2 years which even Fed and Roddick have failed to do - win a MS event on HC.

    Davy's still a top 10 HC player, which gives him SOME chance, even if it's 1%, to win the USO.

    He's shown good form this summer, granted on clay, but if he can hold up physically, he could definetly be a dangerous floater and tough QF or Rof16 opponent for the likes of Roddick, DelPo, Verdasco, Tsonga. Too early to tell now tho.

    And no, Pete if he came back would go out in the 1st round to the Frederic Neimeyers of the world lol. Be lucky to win a set, let alone a match.
     
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  25. GameSampras

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    Absolutely... I think if people take off their rosey tinted Fed glasses, its glaringly obvious. He cant overpower his opponents, he has no weapons to speak of. Hes like a brokeback version of Hewitt circa 01-04.. And thats probably being too generous.
     
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  26. grafselesfan

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    Yeah you might be right but think about what you are saying all the same. A match he should have won, yet still managed to lose in THREE sets. He cant even get a single set in a match he has control of and should have won. What kind of a joke is that. That pretty much is the definition of a pretender, rather than a contender.
     
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    You need to stay on your meds then, if another man's success makes you so depressed. Get off the ledge! Don't jump!

    As far as the rest of your post goes, I tell you guys time and time again, if watching today's tennis makes you so sad, nothing's stopping you from watching the S&V borefests of the 90s. Go, there's VHS, DVD's, youtube. Plenty of ways to relive the old days, and stop you from b#tchin and moaning in every thread related to today's players.

    Seriously though, if Davydenko makes you depressed, you may want to ask your doctor if you have the right dosage.
     
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    Somewhere, in some town, on some kitchen table, sits a paper with the names "Davyjerko," "Davygayko," "Davygecko," and and several other failed attempts struck through with a line. At the bottom of the page, underneath a coffee stain and little pink hearts, you will find the scribbled word, "Davystinko," circled with a periwinkle highlighter.
     
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  29. grafselesfan

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    What is wrong with longtime tennis fans being sorely dissapointed in the state of BOTH the current womens and mens fields. Really both genders in recent years are producing the worst fields in history. Why wouldnt those of us who have been interested and followed the sport a long time be dissapointed in that. You are the only one who seems to think the game is in great shape even with hopeless hacks like Safina, Davydenko, Blake, Jankovic, Ivanovic, occupying such high spots on the totem poll in recent years. Both tours, the womens moreso than the mens, but both to some degree are suffering from their worst TV ratings and revenues in many years. There is serious concern about the future of the sport. Is there anyone who believes the current lack of depth of the fields is not related to that somehow.
     
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    Oh you also forgot the match where he was up a set and a break on Federer at the AO, where he was totally beating on the ball and making Federer look bad. Then he chokes as usual.
     
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    OK fair enough but arent you seeing the problem here. Even those times he plays well enough to win vs someone like Federer in a big match he still cant, in fact he gets 0 sets or if he is lucky he gets 1 set like tis match you refer to. Your own words "he chokes as usual". Doesnt that say it all when there is a perennial top 5 player of this generation?
     
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    Nothing is wrong with it. Its a double standard. Fans of the current era, who think this is the greatest most competitive era since sliced bread, will dog each and every other era trying to make cases to build this one up.. Comments like, "Oh tennis is the most competitive era today," or "Guys today have a greater toll taken on their body than ever before." And they will trash Laver's era or Pete's to no end. Regardless that some great players and champions came out of such.

    Yet if you talk about the current crop of weak champions of lack there of which this era has produced since 03-04 outside of two players. They get all defensive and call you a troll.


    We can slam current WTA today, calling it the weakest pile of competitive crap in history, and no one has a problem with it and most everyone will agree its the laughing stock of the entire sports world currently. .. Yet when we talk about current state of men's tennis, where only two players are even CAPABLE of winning a slam or staying consistent. Or how the slams have been monopolized where Fed and Nadal have won something like 21 of last 20 some slams... OH NO!! We cant do that!!!
     
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    But whenever there's any discussion on here, YOU feel the need to mention how much you hate today's game. I ask you once, I ask a thousandth time, if you hate today's game on both sides, WHY DON'T YOU STOP WATCHING? Don't try to patronize the people who actually do like the players of today's game and ***** and moan about how much you miss the 90s. If you miss the 90s so much, stop watching today's game, pop in your VHS tapes, and watch one of those Korda/Rios epics which you remember to be so grand. :roll:
     
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    Flaming is not helping your argument.

    Yes, because mindless, tactically challenged, net-fearing baseliners grinding in neverending rallies is just oh-so exciting. Must be the reason for this new tennis boom we're living through....not.


    More flaming.

    BTW, No one will even remember Davydenko even 2 years after his mercy-retirement. The general public already cares nothing for the guy.
     
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  35. Breaker

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    Nope --- and it's irrelevant because Davydenko will win the US Open this year.
     
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    Well, I mean, the 90s wasn't that awesome either (other than the early 90s). You had guys like Rusedski, Rios, Moya, etc. winning slams, or taking high positions on the rankings too. It's not like the late 90s was the greatest generation either.



    Now the 80s on the other hand was great, especially the late 80s.




    I think Davydenko actually does have the game to win a slam (especially when he peaks his level of play, considering he literally toyed with Roddick and Nadal at Miami). He just needs to put his head on straight for once.
     
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  37. egn

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    hey Davy is on the same level as guys like
    Martin
    Pioline
    Ramirez
    Clerc
    Dibbs
    Mayer
    Gilbert

    And he is a lot better than guys like Jimmy Arias, Eliot Teltscher,

    Davy had a couple really good seasons and a few big wins..he deserved a rank 3 when he got it. He won a master series went deep in the slams that year and won 5 titles. He is definitely not the worst player to be in the top 4 and is definitely no worse than any of the guys listed..he might not have a slam final like Martin or Pioline but he was a good player on the tour. Seriously, Gilbert was a helpless hack who got to number 4 same goes for guys like Dibbs and Arias..nobody thought they would get slams...davy actually had a shot at points in time and people actually thought he could do it if he played his best.
     
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    Quoted for truth.
     
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    The funny part is I really didn't have to change that much.

    Before some accuses me of manipulating quotes, I'm making this blatantly obvious on purpose. Those are not GS' words, they are mine.
     
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    Yeah that is exactly it. I was laughing in the other thread how certain poster were saying Helena Sukova, widely recognized as the best female player to never win a major, very bad luck to peak during the joint dominance of Navratilova, Graf, and Evert but still coming up with multiple huge wins over those greats to make her slam finals, was some sort of pusher bum. Even more outrageous some of these same posters were even saying the great Margaret Court looked like a pusher who was playing badminton, or mocking players like Mandlikova and Goolagong who carved out 4-7 slams in eras with 2 or 3 dominant top 4 players all time. Yet these same people then accuse me of trolling because I am now awed of the talents of people like Safina, Jankovic, and the luckiest 2 slam win ever- Kuznetsova. What a joke.

    Same with the men of course. In fact it becomes even more comical here. Many of the *******s and even the Nadaltards (and I am a big Nadal fan by the way) sayings things like the Laver era were just a bunch of country club players for Laver to beat up on. So I guess Newcombe, Rosewall, Hoad, Gonzales, Stan Smith, Arthur Ashe, Jan Kodes, Ilie Nastase, and others were just country club caliber, LOL! Yet these same people try to build up Roddick as this amazing legend who deserves 7 or 8 slams if it werent for Federer. Or these same people mocking the abilities of someone like Courier, a dominant #1 in the early 90s who won 4 slams over the likes of Sampras, Agassi, Becker, Edberg as some fluke who was nothing but a forehand. Or mocking players like Rafter and Ivanisevic who won 2 U.S Opens and 2 Wimbledon finals or reached a ton of Wimbledon finals with some huge victories as these sort of glorifed pushovers. Yet these same people are awwing how amazing and talented wannabees like Davydenko, Blake, and Gonzalez are and then calling you a troll or a 90s fanatic if you question that.

    Double standards would be the biggest understatement ever.
     
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    Actually ND for a point in time had some of the worst luck of the draw. Every time he peaked for a tournament he kept running into Federer.
     
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    I agree late 90s were really nothing special. Competition dropped quite a bit. But at the same time, the early mid 90s was very solid. You had some threats all around on every surface.. You have youre clay court specialist, than you had your threats on grass and even hardcourts. Even those deadly threats right underneath the top like even a Krajicek, Korda or a Stich.. You never knew when they were going to light it up and strike.. They were actually that good.. Just no consistent.


    I thought the 00's were actually going to turn and we would see some major players coming and actually finally steal some slams and interject themselves.. Where are they though? Murray and Djoker were the best bet.. They cant even reach finals at this point, much less win slams.


    And I do think its a two way street.. Yes.. Roger and Fed are very dominant.. And one of the greats. But that doesnt excuse the field, for not rising up and making careers themselves..

    Its a cop out saying Fed and Nadal are too dominant. Are they so dominant that guys like Murray and Djoker cant even beat who they are SUPPOSED TO BEAT, en route to the slam finals? How about the others guys just arent maybe as great as advertised and cant handle the pressure?
     
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    I think Djokovic is a major disappointment and totally overrated (the stars completely aligned for him to win that slam), but Murray on the other hand has not yet. He has been a little bit unlucky, but if he doesn't make a move at the USO (at least make it to the final) I think it's safe to say that the overrating arguments might come into play.
     
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    Excellent point

    Especially about Murray.

    I disagree with NamRanger, though. I don't see slams in Murray's future.
     
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    Wasn't this a thread a/b Davy's USO chances? And GS and GSF hijack it w/ more 90s talk...:roll:

    Cry me a freakin river...
     
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    True..2006 Australian Open their match was definitely the best match and lets not forget how sad it was the 2007 French Open semifinal. It was the closest straight set match ever. 7-5, 7-6, 7-6 and davy fought to the end with Fed winning the tiebreak 9-7. The match literally could have been changed if Davy instead of losing 5 specific points had won them. 2006 AUstralian Open was close as well the last two sets were tiebreaks 6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 7-6. Davydenko was one hell of a fighter and actually showed he could compete with Federer something guys like Pioline never showed. Pioline was the worst guy to ever get two shots at a slam final. It was such a joke watching Sampras trash him in wimbledon..it was unbareable. Davy got beaten hard at the US Open though I admit, but he had some impressive wins there. His comeback against Hass down two sets to love..davy was a fighter.
     
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    I think Murray has to make his move now at the USO or he faces huge pressure at the next AO. If he doesn't win a slam in the next two he's in big trouble.
     
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    he is basically average on all the serving stats. He is ranked 39 on 1st serve % points won and we are talking about a stat. that combines serving + ground game; we know davydenko has a killer ground game.

    He is also ranked 76 in ace counts. If you adjusted his ace count for the # of games played he would probably fall even fall further down. It's really not even close how far away from the top he is in terms of serving.
     
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    I actually do agree too the late 90s mens field wasnt so great well 1999 with Agassi's comeback and Rafter's improved showings at Wimbledon it made some surge back. The 1990-1995 period though was incredibly tough. Look at the 4 semifinalists of many of the slams in the 90s:

    1990 Australian Open- Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Noah
    1990 French Open- Agassi, Gomez, Svensson, Muster
    1990 Wimbledon- Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Ivanisevic
    1990 U.S Open- Becker, Agassi, Sampras, McEnroe
    1991 Australian Open- Becker, Edberg, Lendl, McEnroe
    1991 French Open- Becker, Stich, Edberg, Courier
    1991 Wimbledon- Edberg, Becker, Stich, Wheaton
    1991 U.S Open- Lendl, Edberg, Courier, Connors
    1992 Australian Open- Courier, Edberg, Krajicek, Ferreira
    1992 French Open- Courier, Agassi, Korda, LeConte
    1992 Wimbledon- Agassi, Sampras, Ivanisevic, McEnroe
    1992 U.S Open- Courier, Sampras, Edberg, Chang
    1993 Australian Open- Courier, Edberg, Sampras, Stich
    1993 French Open- Bruguera, Courier, Medvedev, Krajicek
    1993 Wimbledon- Becker, Sampras, Courier, Edberg
    1993 U.S Open- Sampras, Pioline, Volkov, Masur
    1994 Australian Open- Sampras, Edberg, Courier, Martin
    1994 French Open- Bruguera, Courier, Berasetegui, Larrson
    1994 Wimbledon- Sampras, Becker, Ivanisevic, Martin
    1994 U.S Open- Agassi, Stich, Novacek, Martin
    1995 Australian Open- Agassi, Sampras, Chang, Krickstein
    1995 French Open- Muster, Bruguera, Chang, Kafelnikov
    1995 Wimbledon- Sampras, Becker, Agassi, Ivanisevic
    1995 U.S Open- Sampras, Becker, Courier, Edberg

    With the occasional exception like obviously the weaker semifinal lineup for the 93 and 94 U.S Opens notice the number of times you have 2, 3, sometimes even 4 true greats of the sport in the semis together. Also how many times you have 3 or 4 slam champions in the semis together.
     
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    The sad part is from 2006-2007 Davydenko ran into Federer at...


    AO 06
    USO 06
    FO 07
    USO 07


    Two which were very winnable for him.
     
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