I am convinced that 1hbh is not suited for park tennis

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  1. Doubles

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    Are you done trolling yet?
     
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    25,xxx posts don't come easy yo.
     
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    Just because i think a two hander is a more consistent stroke does not mean dozu is correct. His post is beyond lame.
    Pro players hit one handed bh on the rise all the time.
    Rec player hit on the rise all the time as well. Add the fact that rec guys don't face serious pace and spin its even easier to hit on the rise. I am a rec player and I always hit on the rise.

    For a rec guy one hander is an easy shot to use against other rec guys. Dozu is talking like rec guys are getting nadal fhs to the bh. Thats just stupid.
     
  4. sureshs

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    Looks like several people have an inferiority complex about their 1 hander around here.
     
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    You sound more like dozu everyday. Its sad.
     
  6. sureshs

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    Who cares if dozu is correct or not? Threads are meant for discussion and are just the starting points for a lively exchange of ideas. Who created it is not important.
     
  7. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    No, you're completely right, threads are meant for discussion and blah blah.

    So why do you consistently ruin threads by arguing for the sake of arguing?
     
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    Because I don't post crap like the above, but focus on the real technical issues of the 1 handed BH
     
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    sureshs, stop you're far from innocent on these boards.
     
  10. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I resort to "crap" because my earlier posts were either too technical to be comprehended by OP, or he kept his hater face on and ignored it.

    How come you aren't quoting my earlier posts?
     
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    Why should I quote only what you want?

    I just mind my own business and post useful technical stuff in spite of all these people trolling the place. You should also do the same.
     
  13. arche3

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    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . ... to infinity.
     
  14. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    What useful technical stuff have you posted?

    Random name dropping of pros and random stats?
     
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    this is not trolling. Its a reply to trolling. They are not there to elicit a response like the dozu/sureshs trolls. You guys are hoping for arguments so you can act stupid and you two do not understand why people are amazed at your trollish behavior.
     
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    Yes I do refer to the pros, but I also posted about my own observations of how 4.5 male 1 HBH players collapse against a junior girl with a 2 hander. This is just reality.
     
  17. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Observation does not equal technical stuff.

    Technical stuff is something like stepping in, bend your knees a little, meet the ball in front of you, finish up high, etc. and etc.

    X pro did this and won y% of the points is not technical, it's a statistic.
     
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    did luv40 aka dozu kill sureshs and take over his ttw account?

    where is the park king?
     
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    luv40 aka Dozu is BANNED!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU MODS!!!!!!!!
     
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    I have never lost to a 3.0 player (regardless of 2HBH or 1HBH) in my entire tennis life.
     
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    You mean "superiority complex" as I am usually the object of envy when people see me hit 1HBHs. :)
     
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    A 4.5 male with a crappy 1HBH would collapse against any player (junior or not) with a good backhand (1HBH or 2HBH).
     
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    This is great news. :)

    Thank you mods!
     
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    Well, yes, if ONE 1hbh collapses against a junior player, then EVERY single 1hbh collapses, doesn't it?
     
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    Valid. I find irritating how people would rather spend time describing why one type of stroke is useless, rather than spend that time improving their own.
     
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    Sarcasm or not, when dealing with trolls it's better to just take the high road, BP.
     
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    Couple of state ranked juniors at our courts, both small girls, play with 1hbh TOPSPIN backhands, no slices. I've seen their progression in just the past 2 months, and if it continues, no one will say a 2hbh is superior. The younger is just under 5', thin, while the older is 14, 5'3", and can't weigh more than 100lbs. They return most first serves with topspin off their one hander, and can handle overhead balls with their 1hbh backhand.
    Not sure if rules really can apply as to what works, and what doesn't.
     
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    Kids learn fast. Two little girls prove banned member dozu wrong easily.
    Even kiteboard with his weird bh probably had no issues with high bhs and didn't hit 8 ft behind baseline.
     
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    That's the level of trolling we are faced with
     
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    Ultimate ttw news. I wonder when he will sneak back on here? Dozu should come back as luvdozu.
     
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    "ditzu" was pretty funny. haha.
     
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    Oh yeah. Ha ha. Just as long as its an alias we can recognize right away.

    Where is ditzus henchman sureshs? Has he lost faith in ditzu? I thought ditzu shined?
     
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    **** got real for him when that other idiot got banned I guess.
     
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    I am sorry to say this, but I am watching Robredo-Wawrinka now, and neither one can hit 3 backhands in a row.
     
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    Yeah, and I had a video of Wawrinka and Almagro at the AO ripping inside-out backhands all over the court. Or Tsonga abandoning his 2HBH to go one hander to hit DTL passing shot on the rise. Or that the guy with the most slams titles has a one hander, or the guy with the most year end n1 ditched his two hander for a one hander. Your point being? A bad day at work happens.
     
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    I have days when I can't hit ONE forehand in a row!
    At least I can always slice a backhand back over the net and not long.
     
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    Going by by the OP's logic, you should shift to 2 handed forehand!!:d
     
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    Don't expect logic on this forum.
     
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    I'll get a lot of flack for this, but I think I agree with OP. Not for every player of course, but I see many park players not using the advantages offered by their 1hbh, whilst still having to put up with the extra inconsistency (remember park tennis is below 4.5 where shots get better drilled and tactical play becomes more present).

    Most park players hug the baseline, whilst the 1hbh gives you an advantage when you are attacking through the court as it offers more angles and more options for spin. The extra consistency offered by the more restrained 2hbh makes it less error prone at these levels, allowing the player to keep it deep with less risk - and UEs more or less dictate play at that level.

    At the higher end of park tennis you begin to get players who can hit penetrating slices and roll topspin winners into the corners. That said, I know many players who's 1hbh is a liability (which is very useful in points as they often make up for it with better forehands), and only a few who can consistently attack and mix it up from that wing.
     
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    Thanks for standing up, and yes, you will get a lot of flack for this.

    What you say also holds at the pro level, it is just the details that are different.

    I really liked your comment about restraint. The pro 1 hander collapses on aggressive shots, because it is all or none. Once a top spin shot is committed to, it better be great, otherwise the setup delay and sideways turn will make it a liability for the next shot. There is no middle ground.
     
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    The the advantage of a 1hbh is not variety. Every 2hbh player should have a good one-handed backhand slice. And good volleys. Volleys and slice are entirely separate shots from the topspin 1hbh (with entirely different swing-paths), and need to be developed separately.

    To illustrate this, there are lots of 1hbh pros with mediocre slices (Almagro, Wawrinka), and 2hbh pros with good slices (Murray, Nalbandian). And you can bet this extends to the rec level.

    So why people say that having a 1hbh means you must be better at slicing and variety is beyond me. It is as unrelated as saying that since you have a good slice backhand, you must be great at backhand overheads. They're entirely different shots.

    No, the one true advantage of the 1hbh vs the 2hbh is the ability to hit heavy topspin as you are free to hit a longer, more vertical stroke and your wrist is free to supinate and cause a windshield-wiper finish. And because of this extended range of motion and wrist freedom, if you use the right grip (semi-western), it is easier to hit high balls back with topspin with the 1hbh than the 2hbh.

    This is why everyone says the 1hbh is weak on slow, high bouncing surfaces, yet the surface with the most 1hbh players making deep runs these days is, ironically, clay.

    But of course most rec players do not tend to make any use at all of this mechanical advantage of the 1hbh.
     
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    The widely held opinion is that the 1 H BH is hit out in front and the 2 hander more to the side. That maybe true for Blake and Federer, but the other European and South American 1 handers actually seem to hit it later than the 2 handers.
     
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    You are correct, the topspin and slice 1hbh are different shots. But they are both single handed backhand shots and there are plenty of players who hit only one or the other, e.g. Karlovic and Graf each hit about 3 topspin backhands in their entire career. The reality is that the 1hbh slice is so superior to the 2hbh slice that the latter barely exists. but that wasn't really what I meant by variety. Particularly as I believe that the 1hbh slice is ideal for park tennis, as it is mechanically very simple and will be hard for other park players to deal with as they tend to have poor movement.

    Anyway, the subject at hand, the Topspin 1hbh: When I was talking about variety I was saying that the extra movement of the wrist gives high level players the ability to vary between heavily spun angles and flat drives, particularly useful for hitting winners and approach shots from the mid court. However exactly the same freedom causes many low level players to lose control of the shot when they try to hit winners from the baseline.

    In a way it can be similar to low level players trying to hit with Federer's wristy forehand - It offers too much additional movement which the low level player cannot control. This is not to say that no park players should hit with Federer's technique, however the vast majority will not be taking advantage of the opportunities it offers, whilst still receiving the negative effects.

    *Sidenote: You can generate plenty of spin from a 2hbh, look at Nadal, the disadvantage of a 2hbh is that the flat and topspin shots are harder to switch between.
     
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    Like who?

    While you might be able to get away with hitting a two hander that's nearly eve with your hip, it's generally not going to work with a one hander.
     
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    Vilas and Kuerten hit their 1hbh topspin drives well in front of their hitting shoulders....and strong grips.
     
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    Such an ironic statement as you've been banned as well, and not for the first time either. You were just as much of a troller / spammer as he was with both of you ruining thread after thread with your schoolchild spat.
     
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    Reeshaard Gaskay, Tommy Robredo, among others, have BHs in which they often move back and still hit the ball on their side when it is almost level with them.
     
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    Nope. They may hit their backhands from further back behind the baseline, but they all still hit the ball out in front of their bodies. 1HBH drives don't work otherwise.
     
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    to be clear, I'd say the most extreme grip 1-hander pros use is the "extreme eastern", with the index knuckle straddling bevels 1 and 8.

    Also, someone like Gasquet can hit high with a lot top spin using just an Eastern grip because he puts his heel pad on bevel 7, which is pretty far back. I consider this an extreme grip even though it's a full Eastern rather than extreme Eastern.


    I'm not sure about Robredo, but it's an illusion that Gasquet and Co. hit late. The cause of this illusion is that they open up their bodies more at contact compared to Federer and the textbook shot.

    The majority of players open up to some degree. I think Wawrinka does it the most.
     

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