I Don't Get This.....

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by 380pistol, May 24, 2009.

  1. 380pistol

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    I don't get why if posters don't like Federer it's sacreligous, and all this "I'm a fan of everyone", or "respect for other players even if you're not a fan of them" nonsense flies around, yet......

    I never hear these same sentiments when posters disdain for Djokovic and Serena are thrown around. Why is that???

    I'm a Sampras fan, and personally I love it when people dispise him.
     
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  2. BorisBeckerFan

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    I grew up despising Sampras for all the thumpings he laid on Becker. The funny thing is I started to really like Pete after he retired and realised I spent so much time hating the guy I wasn't enjoying how great a player he was. I appreciate all the Sampras fans who are around to help bring some balance to this forum. I like Fed and hope he surpasses Sampras but I also don't see Fed through the distorted lenses that some of his fans on this board see him through. I also don't take part in the Fed circle jerks that take place here like they did when he beat Nadal at Madrid. I hope Fed beats Nadal at RG. Then I'd really have something to celebrate and talk about. I root for Fed and respect all the great things he has done for tennis but I also won't sit here and tell you that the crap that comes from his mouth at interviews tastes great. The advantadge Fed has over Sampras right now is he can still add to his mark and Sampras can't.
     
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  3. Gen

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    What is "dispise"? A crossbreed between "despise" and "dispiss"?
     
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    People like to believe Federer is a tennis God and if you dont appreciate him the problem lies with you. It's a false claim trying to justify their love for him as if you not liking Federer somehow diminishes your credibilty! Whatever!

    I unlike most of the posters on here have seen Federer play live and he is a great player very smooth, very artistic so I know how good he is.

    But I always thought he lacked some stiff competition, a true rival (until now)

    I always wondered if he would be so cool, so great under pressure and he simply isn't...so for me he is far from a tennis God!

    Federer is a great player but it is NOT compulsary that you have to like him, anyone claiming that is dellusional and desperate.
     
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  5. joeri888

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    It's okay to not like a player and support against them..

    I think it's ridiculous though to call a guy that is in the top 100 of the world names and stuff like that, because he's awesome at a sport we all love, and I have the most respect for all of them for what they've achieved, because I'd love that being me
     
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  6. mandy01

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    I personally have defended Serena..not much , thats true but I still have openly voiced my annoyance as to why people give a rats arse about what she says during pressers...As for Djokovic-He was bashed when I wasnt an active participant of this board.
    Nevertheless you can also blame the fans of the respective player .The way they bash Fed makes me reluctant to defend their player.Still I never go and unnecessrily post trash and nor do 'despise' someone I dont know personally.It makes no sense.

    BUT-There is no rule that you have to like every player and he has to appeal to you the way he does to others.Also you can always have an opinion-but when the fan of that player counters it or expresses his dislike of your post you should be able to take that too .They have as much a right to opinion as you do.
    Plain and simple :wink:
     
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    logic will NOT be tolerated in TT

    stop using it:)
     
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  8. deltox

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    lol im not a rafa or fed fan, and i openly "despise" serena williams.


    what do i win?
     
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  9. David_Is_Right

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    Me too, do we have to split the prize?
     
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  10. gj011

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    Oh really, so you were not participant when Djokovic and Nadal were bashed and ridiculed for years here by unruly hordes of Fed fans. How convenient.
    So don't you think dislike for Federer by many here could be somewhat blamed on his fans and their behavior here over the years as well.
    It is just the other way around as you suggested. :roll:
     
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  11. Jchurch

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    A free wilson overgrip. :)
     
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  12. deltox

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    ill take it, i go thru them in bulk =)
     
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  13. Nadal_Freak

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    I usually gain more respect for posters that dislike Fed. They can see more clearly than the rest.
     
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  14. vtmike

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    Well Duh!!!
     
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  15. mandy01

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    First-No need to be so sarcastic.I havent said anything revolting.
    Next-You forgot the fact that I HAVE read many threads...I took the decision to join the forum later than I had been reading it.This is a fact i've mentioned time and again on this forum.
    Also-The way you bash not just Fed but even go picking at his fans and literally post bitter things in every thread about him gives me a reason good enough not to defend Djokovic.
     
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  16. mandy01

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    Bang on crapola :mrgreen:
     
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    I have no idea how someone could hate Fed, the Peter Paul Rubens of the tennis world.
     
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  18. Nadal_Freak

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    More like the Serena Williams of the mens tour.
     
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  19. tennis-hero

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    take his quote

    reword it like this

    post that and watch a million Nadal fans attack you
     
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  20. doublebreak

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    Why play the guilty by association game? Poster A "loves" player X and "hates" player Y, who happens to be my "idol" so I'm going to bash (or not defend) player X because I find poster A irritating and "hateful". The whole idea is ridiculously juvenile. Why does anybody feel the need to "defend" a player as if it was something meaningful? That is what I don't get.
     
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  21. mandy01

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    sure...you could also say defense is a form of counter argument. And just like people bash others can defend.
    The OP asked-Why do Fed fans not defend other players?
    So yes,fans of that player X do make a difference by
    a) when something is being discussed and they include a bashful post just to say something bad
    b) Take potshots at fans of the player Y for no reason and when the thread is not even about their favorito.
    All in all-Its a forum,where people bash but fans of a particular player can defend him as well.
     
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  22. gj011

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    They can defend him by posting arguments and different opinion, and not by insulting, abusing, stalking, starting flame wars and ganging up on people they disagree with. And that is exactly what Fed fans do here all the time.
     
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  23. mandy01

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    thats what you and your current supporters do too.So its fair and square.
     
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  24. gj011

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    That is not true.
     
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  25. mandy01

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    if only what you say is true and you guys are absolute angels taking no potshots at Fed fans then I'll leave the discussion here itself because next thing I know you'll start taking potshots at me :roll:
     
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  26. doublebreak

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    Of course in a public forum people say whatever they want and very often they don't make any sense. I just find it odd that this type of behavior is so ingrained in the forum, I wonder what the age distribution of the posters is, are there really that many teenagers in here? or is it mostly adults acting like them?

    The thing that annoys me the most is how any number of posters would label you as a player X/Y hater/**** and like that they simplify opinions right to the absurd.

    I understand bashing as harsh criticism. I may be wrong with that definition, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Now, of course you can have irrational bashing and the rational kind. My suggestion is simply to ignore the juvenile irrational "bashers" (they are easily identifiable and I don't think they really have an effect on other posters opinions) and engage in, maybe heated but meaningful discussions, with the rational ones.

    Anyway, just my opinion. The babbling gets annoying after a while, but the good thing is the other sections of the forum are not that bad.
     
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  27. mandy01

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    you make a very good point.You're absolutely right-Ignoring is the best option.You explained your point really well too.
     
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    It is not true since I just defend myself from being attacked by Fed trolls because of my opinion on Fed.
     
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  29. vtmike

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    Errrrrrr...........

     
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  30. 380pistol

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    This isn't about Federer but the ways things are construde by people. If anyting negative about him his said it's sacreligous. Look how Serena, Capriati, even Agassi get it around here. How come when they are getting there's no "let's respect the players" speech. There's no "appreciate what they've done" sentiment??

    Why???
     
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  31. 380pistol

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    I could give a rat's ass who likes who and who doesn't. As one person here saidRoger comes out of his face, he's being honest, Serena does the sam, she's conceited.

    Why are there different sets of rules.
     
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    roger said he could win a tourney, serena said she was the true #1. big difference in statements
     
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  33. 380pistol

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    I can find many disrespectful and prententious quotes from Roger. off the wig "#2 and #3 don't matter" (what if that is said now with Fed at #2??)until he lost the top spot, then it was "I don't care about #1" (what if that was said when Roger was #1??), Federphiles would lose their collective minds.

    Federer has his moments as well.
     
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  34. mandy01

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    you just made this up....
    Anyway,I still dont see your point.
    I dont find Serena conceited and I dont think its a crime to dislike Roger Federer.
    And I'm sure most Federer fans have no problem accepting that their idol isnt going to be liked by all.
     
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  35. DarthMaul

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    You are generalizing...
     
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  36. DarthMaul

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    Delete post
     
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  37. Serve_Ace

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    I usually gain more respect for posters that dislike Nadal. They can see more clearly than the rest.
     
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  38. GameSampras

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    I would have no problem with Fed if he wasnt such an arrogant SOB. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance and Fed has definitely crossed that line.

    Great player, one of the best, one of the most talented, one of the most overrall gifted players ever, but a player who lacked a true rival and great competitve playing field until this past year. Sampras had Andre, Courier, Edberg, Becker, Goran etc.. , Laver had Rosewall Ashe, etc, Borg had, connors mac or vilas etc , mac had lendl, connors etc, Fed had..... Roddick, Hewitt, Old Agassi Nalbandian, Davydenko, Safin and Nadal who was a non factor at 50 percent of the slams etc :(.

    Not all Fed's fault. He beat who he needed to beat , but its just the way it is. And no I dont think its because Roger made it that way. It was a weaker field nonetheless when u compare it to the 60's-90s.


    Nothing against Fed. I just dont think he would have been even as REMOTELY as dominant with a 1-2 few rivals during the time. And Im not talking about Roddick either. I mean TRUE RIVALS. Some could see through the 04-07 era for what it really was. Other cant or refuse to
     
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  39. rafan

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    Its quite natural to dislike the player who is beating your favourite. ( I hate anyone who beats Nadal) but it is only temporary. I admire most of the players simply because the life they have to lead and the incredible effort they put into enabling people like us to have a passion for the game.
     
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    Which explains why there are so many bitter Fed fans here. It's only natural for them to be. :D
     
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    No one is bitter except you. People here actually have lives, they do things. Your whole life seems to be totally dependent on whether Nadal is victorious or not.
     
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  42. mandy01

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    YOUR OPINION.
    Federer fans are entitled to theirs too.Personally I find your post a bucketload of bullsh*t. :mrgreen:
     
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  43. GameSampras

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    Do ya?? Thats fine. But I just call how I see it. I call a spade a spade.

    You will be hardpressded to convince me that Hewitt, Davydenko, Pre Puberty Nadal, Safin, mid 30s Agassi, Roddick, etc were ever on the same level as a Goran on grass, Becker, Courier, Mac, Wilander, Lendl, Connors, Agassi, Rosewall, Borg, and down the line.

    If you look back at Fed;s ridiculous dominance 04-07, before Djoker, Murray, and Prime Nadal who finally has learned to play on all surface, showed up, it was certainly by far the weakest field in the last 30-40 years. IMO At least in the top 10-15 realm
     
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    No you call it only as you perceive it and your 'pearls of wisdom' are to yourself. And Samprastards are the last people I listen to when it comes to the 'weak era' theory which I as it is consider crap.
     
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  45. GameSampras

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    Sampras had much tougher competition during his rise that Fed has had YET in his career. Sampra's competition leveled off in the late 90s. But Fed never once had to deal with type of competition Pete had to go through from the early to mid 90s. Not even friggin close
     
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    I already told you I dont listen to Samprastards.
    And since I know quite a quite a few Sampras fans who've actually played the game,who still have Sampras as their favourite but admire Roger as well,it gives me all the more a reason to not listen to 'tards' like yourself.
     
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    Sampras is second best to Federer. It's impossible to prove which era was the tougher competition, or take into account new equipment, surfaces, etc, etc. All we have are results and records. Federer has accomplished more than Sampras in a much shorter amount of time. Even if they end up with the same number of majors, Federer is greater. It's like comparing a guy in hockey who scores 40 goals a year for 10 years or a guy who scores 100 goals/year for 4 years. Both have the same total, but one is clearly a superior skilled player. That is Fed.
     
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    No way. Sampras was definitely better. Sampras is the GOAT imo even though he is the ultimate ******* nowadays.
     
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  49. GameSampras

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    How is it impossible? Youre telling me its impossible to say Roddick, Davydenko, Inconsistent show up once a half a decade Safin, Nalbandian, Blake, Pre Puberty Nadal, Baghaditis, Gonzales, Ljubicic are not on Agassi, Goran, Becker, Edberg, Courier, Rafter's, Guga, Muster, Bruguera, clay level?

    Hell I dont need to see all of them play each other to find this out. Its pretty obvious to me.

    I dont need to see Roddick, Blake or Davydenko play Agassi or Courier to tell me whos better. Its OBVIOUS whos better
     
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  50. TheTruth

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    Back on topic.

    I don't get it either. I think this post is spot on, and few are actually answering it.
     
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