I have a new found respect for Agassi

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  1. nothingfails

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    I never liked the player, never liked his game. I didn't even like the person. The automatic smile, whatever. He's just pointing out loopholes in the ATP anti drugs policy. And I find very ironic that players like Nadal or Navratilova would speak up against him, like they feel guilty in some way.
     
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    To me Agassi sold out here. To admit he used dope is something to be ashamed of. Let alone Agassi used crystal Meth a drug that can be fatal and is a stimulant. To me Agassi should get away from his ways as an outlaw. Agassi always tried to get attention and it looks like he still does.
     
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  3. veroniquem

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    I like the fact that Agassi is coming out with an "in your face" attitude regarding the ATP, his dad, pro sport in general. This is just like him. Agassi kicks ass, always has and always will :)
    He's always embodied rebellion against authority for me and it suits him just fine.
     
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  4. Chadwixx

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    Everyone but himself...
     
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  5. nothingfails

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    You're so wrong. He could have said nothing. It needs tremendous guts and courage. Why do people think celebrities speak only for the sake of publicity ? He's a spiritual person, he loves his wife and his kids. Your post is a disgrace.
     
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    Its not his fault he was a millionaire with 2lbs of meth, it was the ATP, his dad, pro sport in general

    Its one thing to not say something, but introducing it in your book is another story.
     
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    the Op respect someone taking meth? ok.
     
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    Agassi is brave. Fight hypocrisy. If you guys weren't so hypocritical and in denial you'd be happier.
     
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    Himself as well. Taking drugs and lying about it isn't exactly heroic, is it? :???:
     
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    Where else are you gonna introduce it but in your autobiography?
     
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    So do I. I said in an earlier topic that his decision to do drugs and lie about is is to be condemned as much as his decision to get his life back together should be commended, and I stand by that statement. Call him a glory hog or whatever term you happen to think is witty at the moment, but the fact is that this didn't have to come to light. He chose to admit it anyway though, and that does take guts no matter how you want to spin it ("Oh, Andre wants attention, Andre's a spiteful troll trying to hurt the game, Andre's just trying to sell books, I hate Andre 'cuz he stiffed me on an autograph once but I'm not bitter...")
     
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  12. Morrissey

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    My friend, I could never agree with you more than I do now. He sold out himself and sport to sell books. I don´t mind making money, but to do that is pathetic. I don´t care if he´s Agassi, Fed, Nadal, etc. The guy is a phony.
     
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  13. Morrissey

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    He only chose to admit it because he needs something controversial to build up hype behind the book he´s going to sell. He got what he wanted. He only sold out the sport and himself in the process and I´m glad Agassi is not immune to criticism from fans and peers alike.
     
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    So f...... what if he did drugs a few times, does that him worth anything less as a person, hell no!
    the ppl who think it does just proves your own flaws as human beings.
    who the hell are you to judge other ppl?? bet you all did something illegal at onw point in your lifes, maybe stealing something or driving to fast in your car.
    I have way more respect for a guy who did drugs than I will ever have for a thieve or some idiot driving to fast and risking other ppl´s lifes.
    Andre never risked anything but his own life and career..
     
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  15. sureshs

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    You phrase it very well. "Automatic smile." He is a phony and his life is one big lie, forced by his father. His tears at the USO retirement, his whiny female voice, and his show of extra sensitivity are all a sham, with which he deceives the world, and more importantly, himself.
     
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    yes.. he is... burn him... burn that witchcraft sourcerer... burn him...

    thank god we have a computer couch potatoe like you to bring light over all the world...
     
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    Another reason he was Pete's biatch!
     
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    Read the book first. Make judgements later.
     
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    You mean pay 32$ first, then read the book, and then make judgements.

    Agassi is an excellent business-man.
     
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  20. First time ive ever agreed with you, and let me add that he was the best spokesman for tennis for a couple of years, always extremely friendly with media (in his later days) and gave the best press-conferences ever.
    Have Sampras commented on this? I would hope he defends Agassi.
     
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    The ATP apparently was afraid that Agassi would question their findings and sue them (costing them millions of dollars). Nowadays players have to sign a contract in which they agree not to appeal to an independent judge, so the situation is a bit different.
     
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    So, Let me get this straight...before he was just a respectable champion and now he's a former meth abuser...and you like him better?
     
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    Regardless of his motives, if what Agassi says is true (which I believe it is), then he just uncovered a dark secret of the ATP. Who knows how many more cover ups were there?
     
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    i hope none of your kids ever comes home with a dark secret...
     
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  25. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    Too funny.
     
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  26. dropshot winner

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    Wasn't Agassi 27 at the time? Hardly a kid.
     
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    not my point...
     
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  28. His US-nickname has always been "The Kid"
    :twisted:
     
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  29. dropshot winner

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    I know, I guess your point was that people make mistakes?

    If so, your comparison is still a bit off, kids and near 30-year olds are not supposed to make the same kind of mistakes, but taking drugs at a low moment could happen to anyone, in that way I agree.
     
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  30. I understand this, and what he did was wrong, but imo he shouldnt be flamed for it. Megastars have people doing everything for them, they are not used to take responsibilities for their own actions, he probably wasnt 27 years old mentally? Not an excuse, but facts.
     
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  31. Gorecki

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    lets just say that even at 20's i did some not soo good things and i still made my way tru a phd and a top job..

    being all judgemental wont help...

    my father sometimes says... i would not give a dime for you midway your 20's...
     
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  32. dropshot winner

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    Good point. Athletes and child actors tend to have that problem.
     
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  33. dropshot winner

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    Well said, I can relate to the first sentence :).

    Anyway, I really don't think that people should be judgemental, nor do I understand why anyone would find new respect for Agassi because of his actions.
     
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  34. Absolutely, there are so many of them who have fallen into this hole.
     
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  35. Gorecki

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    agree

    10 char
     
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    I have a similar feeling than the OP, I have always liked Agassi though. I think that he just tried to keep the book honest and wanted to indicate that it was a very low period for him, how low? He took drugs. Did he became a drug addict?, I do no think so, Did it improved his oun court performance? hardly as there wasn't to much on court performance anyways.

    I find interesting how so much people is so fast and hard to critize him, he is human after all, as we all are and I am pretty sure that most of these holly people have made worst mistakes, they just are not big enough to put it on a paper.
     
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  37. dropshot winner

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    If it's a "32$ a piece"-paper, bought by thousands, they would be "big" enough.
     
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    "I don't mind losing 8 finals to him"- now that's a 'biatch'. Andy Roddick after losing another final to Roger Federer.

    Andre Agassi came up on the short end more often than not against Sampras but he went on court a fierce competitior, not with a losers attitude of Mr. Roddick! Right there is a reason Andre won 8 slams while Roddick is still sniffing for his second, 6 years after winning his first!

     
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    That's a nice crystal ball you got there. While you're at it do you want to tell me what some other athletes are thinking?

    I'm amazed at the people who are critical of Agassi in this situation. He got something off his chest while also punching holes in the ATP drug testing policy. Seems like a win-win. I don't get why people are so critical of the manner in which he "came clean". He had a choice; come clean and make money, or come clean and make no money. Don't act like you wouldn't have made the same choice.
     
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  40. sureshs

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    Why is there not a third choice: silence? Or are we to believe his meth past was "tormenting" him and he had to get it off his chest? BS. It is a calculated ploy to spite the ATP after the statute of limitations had expired and make some money in the process.
     
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    I agree that it is rather convenient that he outed this after he statue of limitations expired, although understandable. It is his private life, after all, didn't affect his tennis, and was a low-point in his life. I would find it unacceptable if my job pried into my private life.
     
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  42. sureshs

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    Drug use is the exception these days. The days when Henry Ford sent company spies to find out if his managers were upright citizens are long gone (incidentally, this was the same guy who refused to stop selling armored cars to Hitler, even after being reprimanded by the Senate). But drug tests are mandatory for many jobs which demand heavy lifting, machinery operation, or interaction with the public.
     
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    This is completely unsurprising, since Ford was a well-known fascist.

    There are few safety reasons for mandating drug-tests for recreational (not performance-enhancing) drugs in tennis; although there may be PR reasons.
     
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    Agassi did the right thing to fess up. Many people only regreat not to say anything. All of you who are flaming him don't understand his situation so whatever you say has no weight.
     
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    Is that really well known? I find that very few people know it and think of him as a great patriotic inventor who brought cars to the people. Incidentally, he died a recluse in his estate, where he installed cobblestone roads and banned cars, because he longed for the simple life of his childhood. I think the auto company has carefully kept his reputation clean.
     
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    Life will always be messy for those whose parents attempt to turn them into meal tickets. ..This goes for kid actors/actresses and elite athletes. Consider Andre's youth:

    - He had a nasty stage parent father who was eager to trade his sons childhood in for reflected glory and wealth
    - during the formative years of his youth, he was being raised by the "Prince of Darkness" Nick Bollitieri.
    - he was a millionaire as a teenager enabling him to buy whatever cars, toy's, homes, etc. that he laid his eyes on
    - received more empty praise and unhealthy attention than any human should endure in a lifetime leading to an lifelong inability to discern "true friends" from hangers-on
    - was offered a multi-million dollar contract from a camera company with the "representing all that is wrong with fame" motto: Image is everything

    That Andre didn't wrap one of his corvettes or porsches around a cactus or over-dose in a hotel room with a prostitute by his side is actually pretty remarkable. Kudo's to Andre for telling his story and to hell with anyone to feels they are in a position to judge him for it.
     
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  47. dh003i

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    It is well known among certain circles. Although despite that, Ford was indeed a great entrepreneur, and greatly improved the lives of billions of people (both then and in the future).

    Btw, this country is basically a mix-mash of fascism and communism (different forms of socialism), and getting worse in that regard. And the US had its own unforgivable atrocities during WWII (the imprisonment of the Japanese; firebombing of Dresden; nuking 70,000 men, women and children off the face of the Earth; these are all atrocities, just as was the Holocaust).

    Another thing less well known is that Stalin had many more innocent people murdered than did Hitler, but that isn't publicized because the US wants to keep its alliance with "Uncle Joe" out of criticism.
     
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    Totally disagree. Agassi could have sold tons of books just by relating his relationships with famous women or tennis stuff that would be flattering for his ego. There was absolutely nothing forcing him to disclose the meth episode. He chose to despite the fact a lot of people are gonna trash him for it. He made a brave decision that has nothing to do with commercial motives.
     
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  49. dh003i

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    Possibly, although he also made it after the statute of limitations ran out re WADA. It would've been more impressive if he did it while he still could have been punished. None-the-less, it wasn't a performance-enhancer, it was his personal life, and he didn't do anything that year anyways.
     
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    Selling out is the exact opposite of what you describe. Selling out is deliberately lying to improve your image or increase your commercial appeal, putting up a fake front for the sake of profit. It's the opposite of telling the truth and putting your reputation on the line for the sake of being honest.
    The guys who sold out are all those who took illegal substances and then lied about it (and I have no doubt there are legions of them), the guys who played the game and shut up about the ugly side of it. But Agassi is setting a precedent in tennis. He admitted he lied and thanks to him , one day, others will admit it as well. That's not a setback, that's progress toward more integrity and transparency. In other sports, a lot of people have already spoken up.
     
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