I have lost all respect for Kiefer *spoilers*

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  1. Max G.

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    The title says it all.

    I used to like Kiefer. He has a fun game, I liked watching him, and would generally root for him.

    But after that incident at 5-6 40-30, I'm never rooting for him again...
     
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    Agreed. I respected his all court game. But that went out the window on that point. Even after Grosjean's complicity in the delay in the match agaist Nadal at the FO last year, he didn't deserve that.

    I wonder if the chair ump wussed out because he knew if he did award the point to Grosjean, Kiefer would completely freak and he'd have to default him.

    I expect a nominal fine from the ATP.

    And the big question: will he dare pull any of his silliness against Fed (if Fed beats Davydenko) in the Semi?
     
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  3. Jet Rink

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    Kiefer's been very unpopular within the German Federation for a long time. This match - which up until the racquet throwing incident was a decent match - shows that clown's true nature. That was a bush league move to not give the point to Grosjean.

    I'm hoping Fed can get through and clean him out in straight sets.

    Jet
     
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    I couldn't beleive the applause he got for winning. It was an incredible match, but the backlash of this incident might not go away...
     
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  5. West Coast Ace

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    I thought the same thing - can you imagine if he did that at the USO - the New Yawkers would be throwing everything that wasn't bolted down at him.
     
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    him throwing the racquet did not change the outcome of the match....Grosjean still held that service game.

    that being said, Keifer is one of the biggest jerks on the tour.

    did you see the way he wagged his finger and shook his head after he threw his racquet? what a tool
     
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  7. vkartikv

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    No offence here, but is there something inherently wrong with Germans? If anyone remembers, Becker played Medvedev in Wimbledon 94 or 95 and during one point raised his hand as if to say hold it, just to distract Medvedev and went on to win the point. The issue of unsporting conduct was raised.

    I am a big Schumacher fan but everyone knows how he won his first title, pushing Damon Hill off the track and trying to repeat it in 1997.

    Once again, no offence to (male) Germans but their attitude to sports need to change.
     
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  8. Shabazza

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    I'm just curious, why do we have to make 4-5 threads about this incident, isn't one enough??
     
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    I remember a South Park episode in which Cartman says something like "What's wrong with the f*cking Germans?!"
     
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    Might not have changed the outcome of that one game, but you can bet that it was on Grosjean's mind afterward. Was watching the fifth set with the wife while eating dinner and remarked to her that if it were Roddick, he would have made sure that Grosjean was awarded the point. Even though many here do not like Roddick, nobody can question his sportsmanship and sense of fair play. Good on ya, Andy.

    As far as Keifer, I also have lost respect for him after pulling a stunt like that. If he had laughed it off, apologized and conceeded the point to Sebastian, it would have helped turn a hard fought match into an instant classic match. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say about it in his post match interview.
     
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  11. Max G.

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    Well, as I clicked on the pro-player discussion page, I didn't see any, so I made one - a couple more must have appeared in the time it took me to write it and post it... (not surprising considering my connection is pretty slow right now, :() sorry.
     
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  12. Shabazza

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    OMG are you kidding me??!
    Just because of 2 or 3 incidents in 10+ years(which weren't as bad btw.) you're saying (male) germans have to change their attitude to sport. such generalisations make my want to puke!! :mad:

    "No offence to Germans", my ass!
     
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  13. West Coast Ace

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    Tommy Haas has some brat in him. But then Michael Stich was classy, if I recall correctly. Berhardt Langer, golf pro, is also very well mannered.
     
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    I was only pointing out the most obvious of their crimes in sports and those committed by their best known athletes to the world. There are more if you want me to recount them but I would have to save it for the odds and ends section because they are not all related to tennis.
     
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  15. jeebeesus

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    If they had the good sense to allow Hawkeye like in the Hopman cup we would not be having this discussion. CRAP!!!!!
     
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    Throwing the racquet was a classless move on Keifer's part. He was trying to throw it in the path of the ball, conceeding the point or not. But as soon as he saw Grosian miss the volley he put up his hands as if to say "I didn't do anything...." He knew he was wrong and denied it anyway.
    After arguing call after call, in which he was wrong wit each argument, to do this shows him to be the new Jeff Tarango.
    The most classless player on tour.
     
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    "Thats Bush!"
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    GEEZ... when I saw him throw that racquet, the first thing I thought was what I would do if I was in the Chair for that mach (I'm a USTA Chair Ump). They (the AO Officials and ITF Chair Umpires) have been letting Keifer get away with alot this event.. cursing at opponents, verbal abuse of officials (which in reality they let most of the Pros get away with). Whatever... that Chair Ump had no stones. Wonder what one of the Veteran Chair Umps (Norm Christ, etc) would have done? Actually call the Deliberate Hinderance or just wus out?
     
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    what if on one fine sunny morning kiefer decides to throw his racquet at hawkeye?
     
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  19. Shabazza

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    either the racket or hawkeye would be broken and Kiefer would be fined, so what's your point?

    regarding your other post, I can recall hundreds of incidents from french-, american-, british- etc. people - should the sportsmen in their countries change their attitude as well?? I guess so :rolleyes:
    sorry, but that's just lame!
     
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    my quote about kiefer throwing stuff at hawkeye was meant to be sarcastic mr. shabazza. or is it ms.? I dont want to get into a childish argument of who from which country did what but the arrogance of germans is unsurpassed..
     
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    Of course this isn't a German thing. It's a Kiefer thing. Anybody who tries to make it any different is being foolish.
     
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    I wouldn't be so sure about that. Yes, Grosjean did eventually hold his serve, but he had to expend a lot more energy late in the 5th set on a very hot day to do it. That wasted energy from that extended game, that he had really already won, I think cost him the match as it was obvious he was exhausted in that last game in which he was broken to lose the match. After that long game, which was extended due to what Kiefer did, Grosjean didn't win another game. :(

    Also, perhaps in the back of his mind, he was also afraid that Kiefer would throw his racquet at him again, which may have disturbed his concentration for the rest of the match?
     
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    Completely agree with the OP. I've lost all respect for Kiefer.

    Kiefer was not throwing his racquet at Grosjean, but it was a stupid thing to do. The thrown racquet was a hinderance -- nothing to do with whether it happened just before Grosjean hit the ball or just after -- and to not concede the point or suggest a play-over was cheap, cheap, cheap.

    And to cap it off, that perfunctory handshake at the end. Not only is he a head case, he's a cheater, low-rent, mutt head case.

    I hope his next opponent creams him.
     
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  24. Shabazza

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    You're the arrogant one here, claiming all germans have a bad attitude towards sport and should change it!
    "Arrogance of Germans" another generalisation, how many germans do you know?! - talking about childish arguments :rolleyes:
    Great keep it up, you''re making a fool of yourself.
     
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    Tarango ... Capriati ... Henin-Hardenne ... and now Kiefer. The beat goes on....

    (Granted, I never saw Tarango cheat -- and Kiefer just did, like the others.) Too bad. He's a talented player ... and a cheat.

    - KK
     
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    @vkartikv

    I am a male German, and I didn't like Kiefer's action today.

    But I think you come from a country which gave us two of the most classless tennis players (in terms of oncourt behaviour) of all time: Jimbo Connors and John McEnroe (whose game I always loved!). If so, you'd better not talk about arrogant Germans and their bad sportsmanship. Keep those thoughts to yourself!
     
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    What is the point of that post?
     
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    I watched the end of the match, and although it wasn't well done, at least we have some guys moving ahead who can perhaps challenge Fed for the final. Maybe take a set or two.

    Not sure Roddick or Hewitt could do it, but hey, Nalbandian, Keifer and even Baghditis have a shot. So, I'm liking the semis line-up at this point. :D
     
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    I respect Kiefer even more now! He is determined to win at all costs! Gamesmanship, tactics, antics, superstition, whatever! As long as it gets him that edge. This is survival EVERYONE! This is their money and carrers on the line. Kiefer has never been this far in a slam before and its about time! If you lose respect in Kiefer then might as well screw all the lawyers and politians!
     
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    The racquet toss was intentional interference. Kiefer seemed to be admitting he threw the racquet on purpose (thinking he'd lost the point) in the post match interview. I think the umpire blew the call. This was an important call to make because of the message it sends to other players, particularly JUNIORS. I hope the umpires out there learned something from this....

    Kiefer is a wild man, but certainly not a moral leper.

    Oh, and it doesn't matter whether Grosjean won the service or not. The issue is are we going to let tennis become the NBA....

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  32. croatian sensation

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    Ok...I didn't watch the match and couldn't completley figure out what happend so please can anyone explain it to me? I feel like a total idiot...everyone's talking about it and I'd really like to know. Thnx.
     
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    grosjean certainly should have gotten the point, but the umpire thought it was after the ball was hit and so not worth replaying. keifer's just nutty, that's all, i don't think it was that big a deal. you download a copy of this clip at (www.mens<remove>tennisforums.com). frame by frame analysis showed that the racket was indeed released before the ball was struck.
     
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    i thought he was funny.

    if this was connors or mcenroe people would just say this is "great drama" in the tennis world. But nowadays people just get too uptight about little drama in every match.

    He played well, so did his opponent. It was a good match. leave it at that.
     
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    OK, I didn't really see the point happening, but I did catch some replays. Kiefer hit a volley or a half-volley and Grosjean volleyed it back but flubbed it. Kiefer threw up his racquet even before the point was over, thinking that he had lost the point, but he threw did this as Grosjean attempted the volley. The racquet landed on the opposite side of the net near Grosjean, who complained about it. There was a sort of debate about whether it was deliberately done to hinder Grosjean from making the shot. The umpire awarded the point to Kiefer anyway.
     
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  36. jonolau

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    What Kiefer did was totally ungentlemanly. It was definitely not an accidently slip but a deliberate throw. Star Sports replayed that incident from various angles after the match and even the commentators were unanimous in their verdict: the racquet was thrown. I saw the expression on Kiefer's face in the replay. He saw Grosjean approach for the smash and his expression was that of a spoilt brat just before he lobbed the racquet across the net. It's like a spoilt kid who can't get an ice-cream, and he deliberately knocks an ice-cream cone out of another kid's hand.
     
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    Yeah, I was trying to explain the incident without judging Kiefer's intentions as croatian sensation was just asking what happened. :)
     
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    Oops, did my post come across as being judgemental? Then and again, Kiefer was a spoilt brat. Oops, I did it again ....
     
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  39. Noelle

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    No, it definitely wasn't very sporting of Kiefer. But them's the breaks; the umpire didn't have the cojones to make the right call.
     
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    I think Grosjean handled it quite well under those circumstances. Any other normal person would have just throttled Kiefer on the spot. Wonder if he's going to earn himself a stalker ... ;)
     
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    I concur, that was classless.
     
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    Yeah, I reckon the umpire was intimidated by Kiefer's previous behavior and by what he feared Kiefer might do if he ruled against him.

    What a little brick that Kiefer is. I really want to see him thrashed in his next match.
     
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    The ATP should do something about this because this sort of behaviour is unacceptable for someone of their level. In football, it would have earned him a red card, which means a ban from playing in the next game, or next tournament in his case.
     
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    Keifers an idiot.he should be banned.that is all.xx
     
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    You're in luck, he's got Federer!

    Man, Keifer's always been grimey. My first memory of him involved him screaming "You're a LIAR, you're a LIAR!" at an umpire for refusing to overrule a call (was at Wimbledon like, ages ago).
     
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    damn you double post BS.
     
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  47. ATXtennisaddict

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    Yea I can't believe he did that but he did. I wanted Grosjean to win that match, even before that happened. There's just something about Kiefer that just isn't likeable. When I saw him play couple days ago, I thought, wow this guy ain't bad. But the guy's got a terrible attitude sometimes. Oh well.

    Fed's up next. Come on Federer!!!
     
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    Kiefer has the funniest sounding voice I've ever heard. It's like a poor man's Bobcat Goldthwait. Federer needs to take this punk out in straights.
     
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    Yea right. USO has its fair share of controversies...so lets not go there.

    Anywayz I dont agree with what Keifer did but then its umpires job to figure it out. They are there for that sole reason.
     
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    I AGREE
     
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