I Have No Respect For Capriati

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  1. backhander

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    you know, i had already questioned Capriati's sportmanship during her match against Serena, and already thought her response to Serena being robbed of some points to be somewhat selfish....saying how she (Capriati) lost points like that before, and i think she said she heard the umpire correct the call, while no one else did. Not to mention how she ignored the fact that Serena's ball was totally in and did nothing about it. But that's fine, that match is over, and it wasn't really her fault right? Well I think its her fault that she has no sportsmanship. She still could have been a total class act by correcting that herself.

    so that is in the past and that's fine, but something happened during her semi against Dementieva that just ads to her questionable ethic.

    Here's an excerpt from a recap of her semi...

    "Capriati - whose victory over Serena Williams in the quarterfinals was marked by officiating errors - got flustered when chair umpire Leann White mistakenly announced the score at 30-all. White corrected herself, saying Dementieva led 40-15, and Capriati shouted, "You can't change it now!" White responded, and Capriati fired off an expletive, drawing a warning."

    So now she is trying to steal points from people know that she didn't earn it?

    What do you guys think? I swear, I like her less and less everytime.
     
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  2. pound cat

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    I'm always suspect of a 28 year old person who is still surounded by her father, mother and brother. A dysfuncrtional person I would say.
     
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  3. The tennis guy

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    People tend to be too judgemental on persons they don't know. I don't know whether she is a nice person or not. On court impulsive behavior not necessarily mean someone is a bad person. I watch her play tennis, don't care much about what kind of person she is.
     
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  4. Ballmachine

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    "Tennis Guy" the statement you made is fair, but are you saying that you actually enjoy the type of tennis that Capriati plays? Or, are you supportive of her behavior on the court? I'm curious.
     
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    Poetic justice that she lost today...and her idolizer, Davenport.

    I may have been the only one who was happy to see Jen & Dav face the Williamses early in the tournament. I suspected those two would've acted with a lack of class should they won. So suspected so came to pass. And thus I get multiple opportunities to root against them. If only the 4th round, or Quarterfinal was the last round at the USO.<snicker>

    Davai Russkaya!!
     
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  6. The tennis guy

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    Ballmachine,

    I don't like the way she played today, neither the way Roddick last night. Both of them played too safe, just trying to get the ball back, waiting for others to make mistakes. They can play more offense than that.

    I wish everyone behaves like Stefan Edberg on tennis court. However, I know everyone is different. We can't really judge someone as a person based on his/her on court behavior. I happen to know a few tennis players who don't behave that well on courts, but very nice people in life.

    Anyway, most of the time I am attractive to watching someone's tennis, not personality. I don't like someone behave badly on court. However, that does NOT make me disrespect/hate someone like many people do on this board.

    Most of my postings are about skill and strategy of tennis, not chit chat gossip about he/she did what.
     
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  7. Ballmachine

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    Thanks for clarifying that, and for the record, I agree.
     
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  8. Aoya

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    If everyone behaved like Edberg, this would indeed uphold the name of "MOST BORING SPORT EVER". Tennis is already boring sometimes, why make it more boring? Would this post even be here if everyone was like Edberg? Nah.
     
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  9. The tennis guy

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    I don't mind tennis as being the most boring sport ever. I would be perfectly happy to watch Federer vs Sampras vs Edberg vs Henman. I feel it is boring when tennis itself can't get people's attention.
     
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  10. Lindsay16

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    did you hear jcap yell out to a fan "shut the f*** up" I mean that is ridicules. That makes me want to have no respect for her but of course i do because shes a pro and im not but whatever.
     
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  11. WYK

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    "I'm always suspect of a 28 year old person who is still surounded by her father, mother and brother. A dysfuncrtional person I would say."

    I have a similar policy. I am always supect of people who rant and whine on internet message boards. ;)

    WYK
     
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  12. Craig Sheppard

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    Totally agree with the gist of this post. She seemed classless and without sportsmanship. She's also a whiney little -itch for yelling at the fans and chair. She is about as ungraceful as they come. I've never rooted for her in her "comeback" and never will--she just does not play the right way.

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  13. Deuce

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    Please don't offer the ridiculously weak excuse of 'heat of the moment', or 'passion and intensity of the game' - that's total BS. Capriati was fully conscious of the proper score, and made a very deliberate attempt to steal a point which did not belong to her.

    When a player makes a deliberate attempt to steal a point he/she has not earned, and did not get in any way, then, yes, I CAN judge him/her to be a dishonest person, and unworthy of my respect. Because, quite simply, an honest person is incapable of such behavior.
     
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  14. topspin

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    Very well said. Such a simple concept yet so few seem to get it.
     
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  15. Redflea

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    Backhander is correct...attempting to steal the point when the umpire misspoke the score and Capriati (and everyone in the stadium) knew what the score really was was unsportsmanlike and tacky in the extreme. The worst behavior I've seen in any sporting event in years. No excuses required or accepted, and a very embarrassing moment for US tennis.
     
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  16. Deuce

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    That's right - how dare we JUDGE Capriati... JUDGING is a very bad word these days. The FACT is that it is human nature to JUDGE, or assess. It is an inherent ingredient in the human condition. JUDGING is how we make the distinction between our friends and our foes, between our likes and dislikes, and how we choose our favorite cereal. To be 'non-judgmental' is simply to be non-human.

    The important thing is to not PRE-JUDGE, or judge without sufficient evidence. One who pre-judges is said to be PREJUDiced.

    That said, Capriati has given us plenty of evidence over the years for people to judge her as being a spoiled brat. Yesterday, in that one instance, she offered enough evidence to convict her of being a dishonest person. Forget the polite 'non-judgmental' BS for a moment, and think about the circumstance. Would an honest person be capable of attempting to steal a point which was not theirs, as Capriati blatantly attempted to do for almost one complete minute? The answer, of course, is No. She then cursed the umpire for not allowing her to get away with her cheating attempt (certainly not the first time she has sent vulgarities in the direction of others).

    The fact is that one's life is not suspended for the duration of a tennis match. If one is dishonest during a match, it is because he/she is a dishonest person. There is no other conclusion possible. They do not become someone else for the duration of the match. Their intensity and adrenalin, etc. may change during a match, but can their honesty change? Of course not.

    I'm not going to say that Capriati would steal a toy from a child off the court, but it is clear to me that she would take full advantage of someone in order to derive a gain for herself, if she thought she could get away with it. If she possesses the capacity to do this on the court, then she possesses the capacity to do it off the court, because she is Jennifer Capriati both on the court and off. Saying that we cannot judge her as being a dishonest person based on blatant on court behavior is akin to saying that you can't judge her as being a dishonest person on Tuesdays just because she was dishonest on a Friday. It simply makes no sense at all. Let us judge people on their actions - both good and bad - and hold them accountable. To not do this is to live with your head conveniently buried in the sand.

    All of you people who claim to be 'non-judgmental' must have very sore behinds from all of those fences you sit on...
     
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  17. backhander

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    dang deuce, nice post. Jennifer just seems to be doing anything to win lately, and it's just wrong. Someone said they just like to watch tennis, well we all do, that's why we watch these matches, but the player should let their tennis do the talking, they should let their tennis win the points, and not any other means.

    I also remember the last time Jennifer played Seles, it might have been a while ago, but it was probably the umpteenth time they played and Capriati was losing, and then started complaining to the umpire about Monica's grunting being too loud. Come on, it just started to bother her now? I mean it wasn't just these last 2 matches of Jennifer's, it's a history she has, and that was kind of the point of this post, I have no respect for her, how can you respect someone who curses at the umpire and her supporting crowd. I guess those who say I am judgmental approve such behavior or just turn the other cheek.

    I'm just stating an opinion here, it's what a message board is for I assume. These tennis players make millions and get to play tennis as a career, they are extremely fortunate, it's too bad they never learned some decorum.
     
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  18. jeebeesus

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    You guys should be directing all the flak at the officials instead, if not for their bungling the players would not be put in such a position in the first place. First at Wimbledon and now at the US Open even more. Such crappy performance.
     
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  19. tiebreaker

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    Agree. It should be about the game itself and
    not "personality." Tennis Guy has a mature
    perspective.

    It would be nice if tennis brought out
    the best in people but, unfortunately, it
    rarely does.

    Love the sport. Don't hate the players.
     
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  20. callitout

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    Deuce's diatribe makes it sound like someone who likes Sampras for the player he is/was, but doesnt really expect moral leadership from him as a person is a relativist. That's hogwash. Judging tennis players on the basis of the quality of their play not their morality is perfectly reasonable and not the least bit relativist. Andre seems like a way better guy than say Safin based on his charity work, but to say that Safin or JCap are truly horrible people really overstates the importance of on-court bad behavior. The guys who killed 500 children in Russia are evil, people who cheat the tax system are doing something wrong; people who play tennis with a ruthlessly competitve nature, at times cajoling for calls they dont deserve havent shown truly bad moral character. If they behave the same off the court as on they have real problems, but theres no reason to make such assumptions. But channeling selfish and competitive aggression into sports is healthy if it doesnt extend to other spheres. The umpire would be unnecessary if competitors could be assumed to keep things fair on their own.
     
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    Backhander,
    You are right, I have no respect for Capriati. On a changeover when Capriati got her 2nd break in the 2nd set, making it 5-2, her family shouted encouragement to her while she was sitting down. This was an obviously nice action, but Capriati responded with scowl on her face and said I KNOW WHAT TO DO SHUT UP! This is completely classless, that was her family, and if she can handle all of Ashe stadium booing her after her response to the Serena linecall question, she certainly shouldn't disrespect her family like that when they were being nice.
     
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    to add credence to what some of the posters have been saying about JCap. While I didnt see any of this with my own eyes, I did talk to several volunteers who were a part of the WTA tourney where I live. Of course the conversation was about who was nice and respectful to others and who was not. Nobody had anything good to say about JCap, while saying how nice the other players are (for the most part). they said she is very arrogant.the other WTA pros really didnt want to mingle with her and kind of snickered at her too tight clothes and hooker makeup, and the volunteers commented about how she struts aroud the place like she is better than everyone else. Her on court behaviour really doesnt need described by me, because that should be pretty obvious to all. I think young kids might like her because she got busted for drugs and was a troubled teen, and maybe they can relate. Ed
     
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    Ed, what sort of mods are you making to your 10VE mid? I know, wrong board, but I am curious as to how it differs from your beloved current frames.
     
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  24. topspin

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    I would say it's very ignorant to even try to judge someone that you've known personally for years, let alone attempt to judge someone you only see on tv for a very short period of time.
     
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    With this statement, topspin, you have, of course, judged me. Thus is the blatant hypocrisy of all those who claim to be 'non-judgemental'. Such lofty claims are, simply, obnoxious. These people who claim to be 'non-judgmental' always accuse others of being judgemental - and once they accuse others of being judgemental, these 'non-judgemental' people are, of course, being very judgemental in their assessment of the 'judgemental' person.

    So, topspin, - surprise! - you are just as judgemental as am I. This is not a criticism of you - because, as I've stated eartier, it is human nature to judge and assess. So, I'm sorry to inform you that when it comes to judging other people, you are obviously just as "ignorant" as you claim I am, and are thus in no position to condemn.

    Well, that was easy...

    Now, moving on...

    "...to say that Safin or JCap are truly horrible people really overstates the importance of on-court bad behavior. The guys who killed 500 children in Russia are evil, people who cheat the tax system are doing something wrong; people who play tennis with a ruthlessly competitve nature, at times cajoling for calls they dont deserve havent shown truly bad moral character. If they behave the same off the court as on they have real problems, but theres no reason to make such assumptions."

    I don't recall equating Capriati to those who killed the children in Russia, and the mere mention of this 'analogy' is entirely absurd, and has no place here. Further, there is every reason to believe that Capriati's dishonesty and manipulations extend well beyond the tennis arena, for the reasons I've already mentioned - namely that one's life and personality are not suspended during a tennis match. Again - would an honest person ever try to do what Capriati did the other day - to take a point that she knew was not hers? Of course, an honest person would never do such a thing. To do such a thing, one must possess the trait of dishonesty. How can this not be obvious? It's human psychology 101...
     
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    Didnt realize that it was "obvious" that the best guy on the court is also the morally best off the court--should've taken psych 101. Thanks Deuce. I'm sure its the same in other sports then. I mean OJ was such a mean guy on the field...Oh wait he was actually the nicest guy to almost everyone except the women he dated. Yes some people compartmentalize their agression. And if agressive behavior is left on the field or on the court that's acceptable. Of course your not equating bad tennis manners with doing something truly horrible off the court, but you are saying that its psychologically not possible for an otherwise decent person to cheat at tennis...I think youve way overrated the importance of tennis in character evaluation.
     
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    No, I havent. Tennis is no more and no less important than other aspects of life. Tennis is simply a part of life. If one is honest in their other endeavors, it obviously follows that they would not be dishonest on the tennis court - since tennis - once again - is simply a part of life - where people's personalities are not replaced or suspended for the time they're on the court.

    I don't think I can explain it any more simply than I already have several times. A few of you are saying, essentially, that we cannot judge a person based on their behavior or their actions - and that is absolutely ridiculous. Who we are determines our actions. Our actions demonstrate who we are. Simple as that.
     
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  28. topspin

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    Deuce, newsflash, that statement of mine that you quoted was NOT directed to anyone in particular. It's something I also mentioned at the end of my driving post as well. So for you to claim that it was a judgment on anyone is beyond logic. Logic and common sense is also lacking in the rest of your post where you try to psychoanalyze me and try to pin me as someone who is judgmental. But the fact that you saw it as a statement directed at yourself is interesting. Hey that was easy too...
     
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    Of course it was directed at me and the others who 'judged' Capriati. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted it here. Just because you didn't name anyone in particular doesn't mean you weren't targeting certain posters. We ain't stupid.

    And your latest post was rife with judgements, as well - just like it should be. We are all judgemental every day. It's blatantly obvious. Those of you who claim to be non-judgemental are simply not being anywhere near realistic. How do you choose your friends? I assume that you - like everyone else - choose your friends based on your judgement - or assessment - of their behavior and actions, rather than on the color of their eyes, or the size of their shoes.

    I'm not psychoanalyzing anyone - I'm simply pointing out the obvious - that you are judgemental, just like every other human being on the planet. It's nothing to be ashamed about - it's bloody human nature! To 'judge' is simply to have an opinion. Whether we express that opinion or not doesn't matter - every opinion we have stems from a judgement. You don't have to apologize or feel bad for having an opinion - to have an opinion is your right as a human being - and hopefully the opinion will be based on relevant facts only.

    The only condition under which human beings make no judgements is when there is an indifference about the subject. But whenever we have an interest in something - or someone - we judge it; we assess it. We each make dozens of judgements each and every day - and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Show me any human who claims to be 'non-judgemental', and I guarantee that within 20 seconds, I'll be able to point out a judgement that they have made in the past two hours. The phrase 'non-judgemental person' is an oxymoron - because such a creature does not exist on this planet.

    I think it's highly obnoxious to claim to be non-judgemental. It's a lofty, arrogant claim which is never, ever valid or accurate. In claiming to be non-judgemental, people are making themselves out to be 'better' than those they accuse of being judgemental - and that's the obnoxiousness.

    Finally, how in the world can one accuse others of being judgemental without being judgemental oneself?? It's simply - and very obviously - not possible.

    Sorry, but you're way off on this one.
     
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  30. topspin

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    Nope sorry but you are way off and I'll tell you why. First of all, what I wrote was not directed at anyone and even though you claim otherwise, it's just not the case. I should know since I posted my own message. Also, if you would have read what I wrote carefully instead of just quoting it, you would have realised that I'm talking about making judgments on people we don't even know. Unless you or anyone else is has been hanging out with Jennifer Capriati for days, months, or years, I really won't pay much attention to character judments made on her.
     
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