I know why Nadal/et all use small grips...

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Nanshiki, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    People say Nadal, and lots of other Spanish clay court grinders use small grips is for "more spin," which is true, but it's more complicated than that...

    To put it simply, it's because you can't properly use a full Western grip without a small handle.

    The reason is that the ratio between the angle of the racquet face and the amount you have to turn your wrist to have it at a usable (open enough) angle to hit a hard, deep shot with the spin that a wristy, looping Western stroke can give you is too much with a big grip.

    Try it with a 1/4th or 3/8th, and then try it with a 1/2 or 5/8ths. You can tell just by looking that the smaller grips let you turn your racquet to where you can use the full western grip with a neutral face instead of a closed one, and this lets you hit something besides a high looping topspin shot, like what would happen if you use your 'normal' grip size.

    This is ability to turn the racquet face to a wider range of angles also means that you are also able to turn it faster, increasing your topspin potential greatly, as it allows you to stroke around the ball instead of simply up the back, or through it.

    Of course, on the flip side this also means that your racquet is more suspect to torque when it impacts a heavy shot. This is why a larger grip is better for people who hit flatter, harder shots and like to be able to return heavy shots easily. With a lower ratio of racquet face rotation to grip rotation (the closer to 1, the better for flat. The higher this ratio, meaning a smaller grip, the better for spin production), the energy from the balls you hit turns the face less, giving you better stability.

    I for one prefer a bigger grip...which is why I use 1/2".
     
    #1
  2. AJK1

    AJK1 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    3,219
    Huh ????
    This is one of the weirdest posts i've ever read!!
     
    #2
  3. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    It's science. You wouldn't understand.
     
    #3
  4. jazzyfunkybluesy

    jazzyfunkybluesy Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,707
    Glad you figured this out. The small grip for spin has been well established for years.
     
    #4
  5. theZig

    theZig Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2009
    Messages:
    233
    Nadal doesn't even use a full western grip, thereby ruining your point.
     
    #5
  6. ci2ca

    ci2ca Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2006
    Messages:
    779
    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    That's not very nice...and as the previous poster stated, nadal uses a semiwestern grip rendering your "science" irrelevant.
     
    #6
  7. sh@de

    sh@de Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    2,979
    Um, Nadal doesn't use a western grip.
     
    #7
  8. nfor304

    nfor304 Banned

    Joined:
    May 4, 2009
    Messages:
    1,455
    You can use a full western grip with a larger grip size. It is certainly not impossible.

    I do it every time I play. I have a full western forehand and use a 4 5/8 grip size and find it far more comfortable than using a smaller grip. My forehand is easily my best shot and i dont have problems flattening the ball out, or producing heavy spin either.

    Its all about preference, rather than 'science'.
     
    #8
  9. slicefox

    slicefox Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2007
    Messages:
    1,275
    Location:
    the hood
    lol the thread poster got owned:

    "nadal uses a semiwestern grip rendering your "science" irrelevant"
     
    #9
  10. kishnabe

    kishnabe G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2008
    Messages:
    17,161
    Location:
    Toronto
    Nanshinki...Japanese?

    Well all of this all ready posted on a website called Tennis.com!
     
    #10
  11. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    It's not impossible, it's hard to have an open racquet face with a grip that big. I'm sure you figured out a different way to make it work.
     
    #11
  12. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    I know that, but saying "it's better for spin" is only telling why, but not how.
     
    #12
  13. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    That's debatable, and his delving into the SW grip is a fairly recent thing.
     
    #13
  14. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    IIRC that article just says "people are using smaller grips nowadays because it's better for spin," which says little about why it's more suitable for spin and the Western grip.
     
    #14
  15. Mansewerz

    Mansewerz Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    Messages:
    9,164
    Location:
    Caught in No Man's Land
    I prefer a larger grip (4 1/2) because it feels more stable. I do have a moderate amount of topspin in my game.
     
    #15
  16. jamauss

    jamauss Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2006
    Messages:
    1,752
    Location:
    https://goldenslam.com
    It's not about spin or grip dude - it's about being able to use wrist to a greater degree. I've played only 1/8 or 1/4 for the past 4 years...I can tell you all about it.
     
    #16
  17. ronalditop

    ronalditop Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,745
    Location:
    in my room
    Larger grips do help adding stability. I have always prefered smaller grips, but I had to use a big grip because the racquet felt way too unestable with the smaller grip. That was when I knew nothing about customization. Now that I have more knowledge about it I can use smaller grips, but I also add lead at the head to compensate for the less stability that the smaller grip provides.
     
    #17
  18. SuperDuy

    SuperDuy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    2,518
    This just cracked me up.
     
    #18
  19. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    It doesn't just feel more stable; it IS more stable. You have more leverage over the racquet face, and to an extent you also have more surface area of grip to hold on to. Bigger grip diameter = more leverage. More surface area = more friction. Combine these two and you get more stability, but you don't get the added spin that comes from the wrist action.
     
    #19
  20. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    I mentioned this. Yes, the wrist action is a big part of the additional spin potential. If you're not using the Western grip, the ability to open the racquet face up matters a lot less.
     
    #20
  21. wangs78

    wangs78 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2007
    Messages:
    1,896
    Location:
    New York
    Makes sense to me, but I don't think you are saying anything new really. Ppl already knew this except no one wanted to explain it this way so they stuck with the abbreviated explanation which "Yeah, a smaller grip allows you to apply more spin"
     
    #21
  22. scotus

    scotus Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    7,623
    Babolat grips feel big to me.

    I would guess Babolat L3 is equivalent to L4 for other racquet companies.
     
    #22
  23. Nanshiki

    Nanshiki Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    2,285
    They do, until the grip wears down.

    I bought an APD 3/8ths, but wish I had bought a 1/2.

    Get a leather grip when you buy it, and it'll be just like you want it.
     
    #23

Share This Page