I, Marius Hancu, am calling the bluff on Nadal's doctor

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Marius_Hancu, Jun 23, 2009.

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  1. This is only psychological, Nadal should come back when he feels like it

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  2. This is not serious, Nadal should come back after a month or so

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  3. This is very serious, Nadal should stay away until fully healed, even past the US Open

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  4. You're full of *** yourself (no probs, I can take that:-))

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  1. Marius_Hancu

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    Hello, everyone,

    Nadal's doctor, Dr. Cotorro, has stated Nadal is to be 100% in 3-4 weeks.

    I'm calling this bluff and bluster.

    If Rafael Nadal has knee tendinitis for such a long time, as he himself has recognized, it will not totally go away in a month. This is chronic (even if Nadal denies it to be such).

    I strongly suggest rest until the pain is fully gone, followed by a very gradual rehabilitation process. Further, I suspect Nadal has in fact patellar tendinitis combined with regular knee tendinitis (see those bandages to keep in place the patella). That's even more dangerous, as it affects the patella, a bone, not a soft tissue. This could lead to long-term damage.

    I am not a doctor, but a professional engineer, however as the visitors of the Health section here know from my many posts, have quite an experience (both personal and that of others) with tendinitis and am saying it doesn't go away this quickly.

    See:

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    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=15571

    You're exposing Rafael Nadal to huge risks, Dr. Cotorro, by bringing him back too soon. Let him fully and gradually heal. If that means skipping the US Open, so be it.

    BTW, the time to review my and Dr. Cotorro's opinion is not now, but in say 10 years from now, looking at the health of his patient (esp his knees) at that point in time. Remember Guga and Norman (OK, that was hip, but still massive overuse).

    Now, you members, you have the opportunity to have your say yourselves:)
     
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  2. malakas

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    I believe it's very serious problem both physical and mental.But Nadal and his team probably already know about this,and the doctor doesn't say the whole story in publicity.
     
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  3. jelle v

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    I have the same opinion..

    I really do not understand how such a chronic injury can be "solved" wit 4 weeks of rest. Impossible in my opinion. Maybe the injury will be back to an acceptable level of pain and distress, but i simply do not believe that the injury will heal so quickly. Tendinitis just doesn't go away that fast.

    Pros are pros though.. and they will want to play as fast as possible. No doubt Nadal will feel the same. i do think however that this is a crucial stage in his career. Start playing too soon and you may very well cut your career short. :|
     
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  4. bizarre_opinion

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    i honestly think it's pointless keep talking about nadal, it's obvious he's got psychological issue's, and i very much doubt he'll be the same again. Let's just get back to talking about tennis.
     
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  5. Fedace

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    Nadal needs to come to good old USA and see a real doctor. Either UCSF or Stanford hospitals.
     
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  6. <3tennis!!!

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    you are actually the worst poster on tt....please stfu
     
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  7. MichaelChang

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    He has to come back soon and play. He can not rest for a year or so and then come back. He plays a physical game and that is what it takes. He has to be young and fit enough to play his game. His career will be short regardless he is healthy or not, because of his game. So he has to play, through the pain if the knee does not fully recover.
     
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  8. rommil

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    Nadal needs the opinion of a real doctor, not a spin doctor.
     
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  9. samster

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    May be Dr. Cotorro has some special injections that we don't know about ?

    But I do agree with you. If it is tendinitis, I doutbt he will be back to 100% in 3 weeks.
     
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  10. seffina

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    But he is right in that those hospitals have some of the best doctors. Not really the best for what Nadal has. New York is the best place for that. I'm sure he has great doctors even if they're not the most PR savvy or truthful.


    I don't know what's true or what's not. Rafa should just go and enjoy his few weeks off as much as he can. Hope to see him back at Cincy only because I want to personally see him play.
     
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    I don't see how someone with a chronic medical condition can be back within three weeks either...

    And doctors sometimes talk sh*t as well - I well remember Robin Haase's knee injury more than a year ago. According to his docs he would be back in three months. Eh, well, yeah. Didn't really happen.

    Hope I'm wrong though, and I wish Rafa all the best of a recovery. I only hope he (and his team) will indeed allow himself to take all the time necessary.
     
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  12. Slayer

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    I'm sure Europe has more than enough of the best doctors for Nadal to go to.
     
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    racism at it's best.
     
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    so real doctors are only availiable in USA? hum.. like Dr. Phil?...

    Fedace... YOU ARE A JOKE!
     
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    ^^^ Exactly my feelings. He's making him self look stupid.
     
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  16. seffina

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    Of course, as I said later in the post, I'm sure Rafa has great doctors. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was actually trying to point out the west coast bias in that post. :) But I failed. Consistently the best doctors in the specialty that Nadal needs are in NY and Boston, not at UCSF or Stanford. In the US. I don't know much about hospitals outside America.
     
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  17. skip1969

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    hindsight is 20/20 . . . but either the nadal camp has been given some questionable medical advice to get to this point, or they've made some questionable decisions.
     
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  18. slicekick95

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    Lol, you're right, your opinions are very bizarre. What makes you think Nadal has psychological issues?
     
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  19. Gorecki

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    Seffi... in Europe the best sports doctors dont need to work in Hospitals...

    they work as either Freelancers or For Clubs, Sports Associations and National teams of whatever sport they specialize...
     
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  20. Fedace

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    I am just saying, USA has the best medical schools and medical training in the world so we must be producing the best doctors in the world as well, right ??? and many more ground breaking research is made in the US vs other countries.
     
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  21. Gorecki

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    Based on what? your opinion?

    those research center you talk about are jam packed with european, asian and african investigators coming from WW Universities...


    SO IN A NUT SHELL... WHAT YOU HAVE IN AMERICA IS DOLLARS... nothing else!
     
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  22. Fedace

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    I couldn't Agree more. Best Dollars do bring in the BEST talent as they say. Money talks in america.:)
     
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  23. seffina

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    That's an excellent point as well. :)
     
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  24. OrangeOne

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    Pathetic.

    Silly.

    Silly-er.

    So blinded by bias I'm surprised you can still type.

    For the record - I'm sure he has world class doctors, and I agree with most here - the problems he seems to have are not just physical....
     
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  25. coyfish

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    Well I don't think its fair to judge Nadal because nobody knows the exact specifics of his injury. I had a stress fracture that has developed into a chronic tendonitis. I am also a triathlete and I can tell you that with good sports therapy (what Nadal is getting), a few weeks can do miracles. His injury won't dissapear but it will certainly help him feel better. I had 3 weeks of therapy when my pain got bad and it helped a ton.


    Im not saying that he is or is not bluffing but has he really played THAT poorly to warrant mentally breaking down? He lost to fed fair and square in Madrid. Fed played with a new strat and Nadal got beat. I guess you can say his 2 losses to soderling / hewitt got to him but I find that hard to believe.

    Hes only dropping out of one tournament in his young career. He has played more than most in the top 10.
     
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  26. seffina

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    I never claimed that he didn't. Again, my response was simply to the West Coast bias, nothing else. (I deal with it all the time.) Am I supposed to have extensive knowledge of the quality of specialty care of hospitals outside the United States? I never claimed that care was inferior to that in the U.S, only that for the ailments that Rafa suffers from, the best hospitals in the US are found in NY and Boston. Of course this is all very much off-topic and this is better left alone.

    As Gorecki said, the athletes can afford doctors that have no hospital affiliation, so hospital discussion is rather moot in this case. (It was irrelevant to start with.)

    I don't agree with the psychological issues. Not saying that there aren't any, but I think if they're there they're quite secondary to the actual physical issues.

    I definitely think he will not be 100%, but hopefully just good enough to be competitive.
     
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  27. rafan

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    I've been harping on about the importance of rest when it comes to recovery and I think it is paramount for any long distance recovery. Under these circumstances I believe the body has an incredible ability to heal itself and one should never, ever give up. Positive thinking is also a very important factor irrespective of what one has to cope with. You only have to look around you to see people who have overvcome obstacles to be fit and well and be victorious again.
     
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  28. Devilito

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    I agree with you. Nadal’s doctor is just doing PR. What’s he going to say? “Nadal’s knees are messed up so everyone should try and run him around because eventually he’ll break down”… ???

    No matter how Nadal’s knees are his statement would probably be the same. “Nadal’s knees are fine and he’ll be back %100”… He should run for political office.
     
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  29. drakulie

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    I believe this issue to be way worse than what is being discussed so far.

    As I have said before, there is no way under the heavens Nadal does not play Wimbledon, and innaugurate the new Center Court, unless something grave is going on. (whatever that may be, including the possibility of a possible suspension for illegal substance use).

    Nadal is such an amazingly bull-headed fighter on the court, I believe he would move hell and earth to play Wimby. For him to just withdraw to "rest his knees", which by the way have been hurting for over 4 years now, is too much of a stretch for me to believe.
     
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  30. NamRanger

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    Because the U.S. takes in students from many other international schools. Want to know why? In other countries, the health care system doesn't pay doctors. Over here, it does. So what happens? You have a huge collection of talent from all around the world.
     
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  31. Rabbit

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    Not to mention the fact that he's defending the title he himself said is most important to him. I agree, something is up.
     
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  32. Nadal_Freak

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    Trolls taking over another another legit thread. Pathetic they are. Keep your suspicions of steroid use to yourself.
     
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  33. drakulie

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    adn keep your opinion of "no suspicion" to yourself.
     
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  34. OTMPut

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    Do you have any good counter point for Drak's point? Or is the lack of it results in a troll cry?

    Nadal indeed claimed that Wimby is the most important tournament in the world. If the problem is such that he would be 100% with 3-4 weeks of rest, being the fighter he is supposed to be, i expect he would put up with the pain and be 100% now for Wimby.

    Either the 3-4 weeks 100% is a hogwash or there is something more to it.
     
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    You have been trolling much worse lately. I wish the mods would take care of this.
     
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  36. NamRanger

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    "Waaagh Waagh Waaagh someone has a difference of opinion from me and I don't like it."



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  37. endbegin

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    I do think it is more than just knees, perhaps a lot of mental fatigue like Cahill suggested (although he did so in a somewhat off-the-cuff way).

    However, as far as steroids are concerned, if someone claims that he took steroids, then the onus is on that person to prove it. The onus is not on Nadal or his supporters to prove that he didn't do it. That is why one is innocent until proven guilty. To say Nadal is a steroid user is very unfair.

    If performance enhancers are in play here, then hopefully time will tell.
     
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  38. Puma

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    I absolutely don't think Nadal is a user.

    I absolutely don't think Nadal has any other problem than the fact that his knees hurt like hell.

    I would be willing to bet the doctors told him not to play, and if he did it could jeapordize his future. He wanted to play so he tests his limits, and he lost. So, he pulls out of Wimby.

    I also don't get why so many people think he is juicing? I mean, haven't any of you guys ever ran track, or played football and seen how cut some of these guys are. I know of two guys I went to HS with that were way more built than Nadal and they seldom ever lifted weights, except for 12 oz curls.

    Nadal is an athlete, pure and simple. Its in his genes.
     
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  39. drakulie

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    Lately?????

    You've been doing it since 2006, and yet you are tolerated. Now, as others have pointed out, do you have a reasonable explanation as to why Nadal wouldn't play wimby to rest his knees, yet will be ok in about 3 weeks???? You go on believing this BS.



    Very fair point, and I agree>>> he is innocent until proven guilty. However, as a fan of not only Nadal, but of tennis, I sure as hell don't believe the "injury and I'm going to rest my knees for 3 weeks" story.
     
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  40. Aabye

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    Drak, you are turning into a real pain in the neck. Everywhere a Nadalfan goes these days you are right on their heels giving them grief.

    Why don't you believe his story? Only because he isn't playing his favorite tournament?

    Well, there are easily two less (or equally in the second case, although on a personal level) horrible reasons for it than doping.
    1. He's a really competitive guy who will not play unless he thinks he has a good chance of going all the way
    2. Why focus only on this rumor? What happened to the one about his parents? That is at least as plausible, especially given Nadal's rep as a homebody.
     
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  41. sureshs

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    How did I know you would mention Stanford?
     
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  42. sureshs

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    I would suggest going to China for acupuncture, followed by India for some ayurvedic oil massage, then to Thailand for a "full body" massage.
     
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  43. DrpShot!

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    Why is there a debate over whether Nadal works out or not? He's had a physical trainer since he was 15 or 16. From his interview with MF:

    What is a your weekly workout regimen when you're not playing in a tournament?
    It all depends at what period of the season we are talking about. If we are in the pre-season, the gym work is higher. During the season I don't do much, I prefer to play tennis.

    How has your training regimen evolved as you've grown from a teenager into a man?
    I always had the same physical trainer and I don't really see the difference from what I did 5 years ago. The biggest difference comes with the kind of work I specifically need for my tennis and the changes I have [made]. But not depending on age.
     
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  44. sureshs

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    Is Nadal on steroids?
     
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  45. NamRanger

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    Speculations are that he tested positive or he knew he was going to.
     
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  46. theduh

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    wow! Any links or articles saying this?
     
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  47. sureshs

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    This ayurvedic massage is the best:

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  48. NamRanger

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    Drak's got the article I think.
     
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  49. theduh

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    Is that man gonna drive that wood into that lady's back? I'll have to pass this kind of massage.
     
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  50. theduh

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    Drak?

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