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  1. sstchur

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    I expected it to take a long time stringing my first racquet, b/c everyone on here says expect 3 to 4 hours the first time.

    But I didn't expect 6+ hours and still nowhere close to having the damn thing strung.
     
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  2. IwishIwasbetter

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    took me 6 hours, it was pure hell and i was confused, just stay calm even though its hard, i am down to 45 mins per stringjob now and youll get a lot faster..
     
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  3. unfgrad94

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    As a new stringer myself, I can promise you it does get better. Three months ago when I started, I didn't even know how to mount the racquet, or what mains or crosses were. My first racquet took my 5 hours to string, and ended in disaster when I snapped the string on my final tie-off.

    This site has been a great source of info for me. Also try searching on YUlitle in youtube and you will find a lot of helpful info.

    Now, I am able to string a racquet in 1 hour 15 minutes, and I know I will just get quicket with more experience.

    Hang in there! It does get better!
     
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  4. Irvin

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    That is a long time, where do you seem to have most of your problems? What type of stringer and clamps are you using?

    Irvin
     
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  5. Bud

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    Don't sweat it... you'll get it :grin: ... The first time is always the hardest.

    Which part are you having difficulty with? What is taking the most time?
     
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  6. Hokiez

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    The first one is a real PITA. Mine took about 2.5 hours, but at the end, while pulling the tension on the knots, the pliers slipped and I just about broke my own jaw! Keep with it, I'm down to 25-40 minutes depending on the racquet/string and it really does get much easier.

    What's taking the longest? We might be able to give some pointers to speed it up? All my time initially was spent weaving which really does take time and practice to build up proficiency.
     
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  7. sstchur

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    Well I think (but am not sure) that I've basically got the mains figured out, and have figured out how/when/where to move the clamps.

    But where I'm stuck is in tying off -- do I complete ALL the main and then double the string back through the hole specified as the tie off and tie it that way?

    And then when I continue on with the crosses, the string needs to go through a hole that has been partly covered over when I skipped a hole on the main and there isn't enough room to get the string through b/c of that. So either I did something wrong there, or that is just the nature of the beast? I have to figure out a way to get the string through there?
     
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  8. coachrick

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    First, second and third rules of stringing:
    DO NOT pull toward your face(eyes)!!! ESPECIALLY if you tie off with needle-nose pliers(you'll learn about needle-nose pliers soon enough!).

    Class, repeat after me...DO NOT...
     
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  9. Bud

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    Yes to the bolded question... these tie off grommets are identified in the stringing instructions/patterns.

    You can gently use an awl to spread the string so you can access the grommet hole. It's also useful to obtain a pathfinder/guiding awl. It's best to obtain an awl that has a very dull tip... so you don't accidentally pop one of the strings while clearing a hole.

    If you plan ahead, you can place an extra small length of string in these holes to keep them clear for you future tie-offs or starting points.

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    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage-PATHAWL.html
     
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  10. Bud

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    Oopsie

    Double post :oops:
     
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  11. Bud

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    Some pics for you...

    I took some pics recently of a job I did that demonstrated using pieces of extra string to keep certain grommet holes cleared. They act as placeholders and make it easier to find and clear the hole when it comes to tying off or starting a cross. What works great is a really thick piece of poly string to keep the holes open.

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  12. Irvin

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    Rule #1 don't tie a knot with needle nose pliers in any directions. The corners are sharp and you will end up with a broken string right next to the knot sooner or later.

    Irvin
     
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  13. tenniscoach07

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    don't sweat .....my 1st took me 3+ hrs. 2nd one took me 2hrs. ....then i stopped for 2 weeks got too busy with family and vacation..... started and forgot everything...had to stop but everything down and watch a couple yulitle videos ..... and it all came back..... down to an 1 1/2 hrs......... in a couple of months you'll look back and laugh at yourself seeing that you now are stringing in an hour.
     
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    I would go look at YUlitle in youtube as noted above. I think it took me about 2 hours my first time using your machine the first time after viewing the movies. After that it went way down to 30-45mins. Make sure you are using the clutch it is key while starting out on the swing.
     
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  15. jim e

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    Another method to help here, is to plan ahead, and when you skip that hole with the main string, you will know that you will eventually need to go through that "Blocked hole" , and a good solution is to place a small scrap string on the outside of the frame when you place the main over that hole, so the scrap string is at a right angle to the main string, that way when you go to place the cross string through that hole later, you can either lift up or push dowm with that scrap string, and open up the blocked hole.
    Another method, if you did not do the above, is to flatten out the tip, and then cut at a good angle, then slowly with very small increments push the string in(be sure very small increments, as the string can bend), using needle nose or curved pliers to slowly push the string through.

    Personally I never liked using an awl, and that path finder one is not that great either, its best to avoid the awl if you can, that's awl I will say about the awl.

    As far as tightening the knot, if you do use pliers, get into the habit of pulling it towards your shoulder, as if you do that routinely, it will become 2nd nature and will never vary, and that way if the string snaps or the pliers loose grip, you will not get a set of pliers into face or eye. Believe it or not, I have heard of stories of pliers into the face, and some did not sound very pretty.
     
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    If you're gonna use pliers (any kind, and I don't recommend using pliers), grab the string in its jaws, then rotate it so that it will tighten on itself upon pulling (similar to a rotational gripper).
     
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    Fellow I worked with back in the 70s(when none of us knew anything) pulled a knot until the string broke and the needle-nose pliers went THROUGH his cheek...a complete puncture, bleeding inside and out. Only good news was that the string broke AFTER the knot and the tie-off was saved.

    I agree with the 'don't use pliers to tie off'...even the parallel jaw pliers that came with my $350 Babolat tool kit had sharp enough edges to cut through a string. I'm a fan of tying off with a starting clamp, either 'rolling' the string a half-turn around the jaw or just squeezing the jaws together a bit while pulling.
     
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    Well what the heck? Everyone is saying "don't use pliers to tie off"

    What do you use then? How in the world do you tie a knot without them?
     
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  20. Bud

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    Just tension it by hand. It's the very last main and will have zero effect on the stringbed if it loses a couple pounds of tension. Pull it as taut as you can and be done with it.
     
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  21. Irvin

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    If you ever have a blocked hole you can cut the string at an angle and use the pliers to get the sting in the hole.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfG-nlb4JxU&feature=channel

    Pliers are also good to fish out a string that is hard to get your fingers on you will run into that tool. Most pliers have sharp (serrated because of the groves) edges and will break your string if you apply much pressure. Pliers are also good to hold the knot end of a starting knot while you pull it tight with your hand from outside the racket. But this is just to get the knot snug and neat you are not tightening the knot.

    Irvin
     
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  22. Irvin

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    Back to the starting clamp. They have rounded edges and are great for pulling string when tying your knots. But it is not a necessary tool you can tie your knots by hand. If you don't have a starting clamp you will be temped to use your pliers to get them a little tighter DON'T DO IT, DON'T EVER DO IT!

    There is another tool called a cam action plier that is ok to pull a knot with, but I prefer the starting clamp.

    Irvin
     
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  23. sstchur

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    What's a "starting clamp?"
     
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    6 hours is a while, I took about 3 on my first stringjob but this is not to show off or put you down, with practice you will easily get faster after doing many stringjobs.
     
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  25. Steve Huff

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    You can grasp the string with pliers to pull it to tie it off. I'm pretty sure Irvin met "don't use an AWL to open up the tie off hole". Good advice. I'm sure Bud is careful, but you should get in the habit of NOT putting an awl into a hole that has a string in it. You shouldn't need to. Like Jim said, plan ahead. If I'm doing a 2-piece and I see a hole about to be blocked, I address it then. At the throat end, I do what Jim said--place a scrap piece of string around the outside of the frame around the string that will be blocking the hole, just so I can physically pull it out of the way if I have to. At the top, I weave my first 2 crosses. I don't tension them yet, but I put them in loosely so that they are already in place when I cover the hole.
     
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    I wind the string around my hand a couple times and just start pulling. Kind of like how you see a boxer wrapping up his hand in tape before a fight, except I wrap it with the end of the string, and then pull, and cinch up the knot (tie the knot first, take slack and wrap around your hand, and pull!)
     
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    That is good advice too but I do not use pliers to pull a knot tight. My pliers have sharp edges and will break the string if you pull too tight. Also wrapping the string around your hands if you are stringing many rackets starts to hurt after a while.

    Irvin
     
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    Don't get real picky about having super tight knots. My first string job took 4 hours and although I heard not to do it, I used the tensioner to tighten the knot and busted the whole string job. The next night I was down to 3 hours. That was a year ago and now it takes me 45 minutes to string a racket. It becomes second nature after a while and I think you'll find that like many of us, you'll actually enjoy doing it as you get better. I would not recommend that pathfinder awl, mine broke fairly quickly after I got my stringer.
     
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  30. WildVolley

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    My first string job took my about 2 hours. I found most of the time involved was getting my equipment set up correctly. I spent a lot of time adjusting the clamps so they wouldn't slip, and found out afterward that they had marred the strings.

    Work on your knots, but don't get too carried away at the beginning. When learning I snapped off the string after a single hitch. Still, that knot never gave up before the strings broke.
     
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  31. zapvor

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    6 hours??? what racket?

    my first time was around 3 hours and that was long
     
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  32. Bash and Crash

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    I use needle nose pliers and close on the string then wrap the string around them a few times and then hold in palm of hand a tighten the knot....keep with it..stringing is not that difficult..you'll ne under an hour in no time, and then 20-25 minutes..
     
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    I always use the method above to pass blocked grommets, never had to use any other.

    I do however use pliers to tighten a knot on occasion (mostly poly). What I'll generally do is tighten it by hand first though. A starting clamp is better but sometimes I'm a bit lazy on this, especially if it's an "easy to string" string and not too fragile. On gut I'll only ever go by hand. On poly I find it next to impossible to tighten a knot properly without using pliers or a starting clamp. You guys do these by hand?
     
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  34. Steve Huff

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    I don't wrap the string around my hand because I rarely leave myself that much string. I prefer to cut the string to a close length. I guess my pliers aren't that sharp then too, as I pull the knots tight (not overly tight) using them. Having strung over 20,000 frames, I've never broken a string pulling the knot. I don't wrap the string around the pliers at all, I just grasp the string, give it a quick pull to cinch the knot up.
     
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  35. zapvor

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    i used to wrap it around a pallet, but now i just cinch it up with the pliers. its pretty easy
     
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