Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Turning Pro, Jan 27, 2011.
Yep I think Djokovic losing to Rafa at US Open is big blow mentally for him on the other surfaces.
thats only because Djokovic happened to win the only slam Federer was defending. In general terms if Djokovic starts to win more he will theoretically cannibalize more points from Nadal than Federer. We're talking about the overall picture here over the next 12 months
No doubt. He is playing some insane tennis right now. Definitely would've beaten Nadal or anyone for that matter the way he was playing
After USO, Nadal was the best on HC, then Fed, now Djoker, all within a span of 5 months. :shock:
Band wagoning much?
I think Djokovic has to beat Rafa in a slam at least once before we can expect him to be a 'world number one' :lol:
On slow rubber courts Djokovic is currently the best player on any other surface including a true HC he is still behind.
Why is that? He's great on everything other than grass. His serve is back and should pay off on faster surfaces even moreso.
It's all about the last tournament. :twisted:
Defense won him this title, defense wont win titles at the other majors, plenty of players who can force him out of that gameplan on faster surfaces. He wont be able to play the same style he did at the AO and expect to win any of the other majors.
His serve is better but no way will he serve at 70% first serves the rest of the year, he was just hot serving this tournament.
I do expect him to do well but by no means is he clearly the best player in the world, just because he won the AO.
This one tournament, his serve was on fire, the slower than expected conditions suited his defensive skills and he caught all the right breaks at the right time. I don't see him as the favorite for any of the other majors.
Please do not compare the draws in USO and the one in Australia.
USO draw - Nadal
4th Nadal vs Clown Lopez (23)
QF Nadal vs Verdasco ( exhausted) (8 )
SM Nadal vs Youzhny ( exhausted) (12)
F Nadal vs Djokovic (exhausted) (3)
AO draw - Djokovic
4th Djokovic vs Almagro (12)
QF Djokovic vs prime Berdych (6)
SM Djokovic vs prime Federer (2)
F Djokovic vs Murray (4)
No one ever said that Nadal was the best hardcourt player.
Murray could have done the same thing with that draw.
We'll see won't we? I'll just say that after RG and W, people are going to be on a different bandwagon.
Well he beat Federer at the US Open last year. I consider him the favorite at the US Open and the biggest threat to Nadal's French Open hopes as well.
Ya joker wins the ao + now he is the best player out there. And now he is going to take #1 spot, there are so many dreamers here is is highly amusing.
Rafa is the #1 player by close to 5000 points, but joker wins his 2nd major+ it is all over for rafa. These threads make a lot of sense.
And I think we know who's....
Lol, im on his bandwagon after the AO
1) I said absolutely nothing about draws
I respect these players, so I hate to nitpick, but you asked for it.
Now, I think Novak played awesome, and I love the guy. But there was absolutely nothing "Prime" about Fed and Berdych and challenging about an Andy Murray that played for a grand total of one set.....
But the biggest LOL in your post
"Murray could have done the same thing with that draw." You mean the Murray that folded after losing one set? Yeah he would have won the USO no problem. :roll:
Final thought, "no one said Nadal is the best hardcourt player" That is VERY untrue. After the USO you had plenty of tards blabbering about how Rafa is the best hardcourter around.
I'm not accusing you of saying that stuff, rather I am pointing out the bandwagoning. Whenever a player wins a big event, he's in his prime, he's the best ever, he'll win the next 10 slams.
I just wanted to point out why Nadal's USO win was nothing but a fluke and why no one has the right to call him the best hardcourt player.
What do you call the first set against Federer? Federer had alot of opportunities later but Djokovic saved them with a nice couple of aces.
Berdychs form was far more dangerous than Rafa's puppesko. Everyone was saying Berdych is in great form and will definitely take a set or 2 from Djokovic. It's not that they played a crappy match Djokovic just made it look that way.
With opponents who are barely standing you don't need to fold.
I agree with you on this one. I must say I like it when people make predictions like that. It gives me the joy to come back here and remind them of what they've said.
I agree with meg, that the bandwagonism and knee-jerk reactions which go on are quite brilliant. A year ago this time some (not myself BTW) were saying Nadal may never win another slam. We all know how that turned out.
Then after RG/Wimb/USO we have to hear how Nadal may be unbeatable in best of 5 and may not only win the 'Rafa' slam but may have a shot at the CYGS. Fed wins YEC and he's back from being finished. Then coming into AO you hear all about Fedal and a few outsiders pick Djoker. Then Nadal and Fed go down and Nole steps up, now he's the guy to beat and is 'clearly' ahead of Fed and on Nadal's heels, and apparently some say he's the best player in the world.
I'm of the firm belief that right now we have a lot of guys that at any given time can beat anyone. You really think an in form Soderling couldn't beat Djoker at RG? Murray couldn't beat him at Wimbledon? Federer is finished? It's all knee jerk on here, people need to get perspective and remember that things change quickly in tennis. Nadal is still when healthy the guy to beat, w/ Fed and Djoker a bit behind him, Murray and Sod a bit behind them, and so on and so forth. At any given time any of those 5 players are capable of beating the other 4 in big events, so it's impossible to say any one player will be 'dominating' anything.
Let's start with, adorable Panda. haha.
- There is no such thing as a fluke win. If Nadal played badly then every match would have looked like a battle. He was just playing really well, which made his opponents look like puppets. Think about it, Rafa's first 3 opponents were clowns, and even though he won is straights, the matches were messy. Tomic looked like a rockstar for a bit, nuff said.
Also, it's not 100% that Murray could have taken down Novak in the final. In all probability he would have folded just as bad. There is a good chance he might have faced Fed. Maybe the thought of facing someone other than Rafa in the final, could have led him to push harder against Novak.
Fed had his chances against Novak at the AO, but saying it was prime Fed, is not at all reasonable. Fed at the end of the day is still Fed, but prime fed was wining majors all over the place. Not the case here.
Like I said, Novak played very very well, but lets not get overexcited there
Let's see how the rest of the year goes.
He has improved his stamina/endurance as well as gotten back his serve.
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