I think Federer needs to fire Tony Roche (might be a spoiler)

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  1. tennis_hand

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    Fed isn't really a serve and volleyer. so he can't do very well at the net.

    but if Fed always stays at the baseline, he can't beat Nadal on clay either. Nadal has the highest percentage of shots at the baseline on clay. How can Fed beat him? So either Fed stays at the baseline and lose to Nadal in all finals, or try to beat him at the net. It is a sure thing to lose to Nadal at the baseline, but it is risky at the net, so at least the risk is shared by Fed and Nadal when Fed is at the net.

    So personally I don't think Roche's strategy failed. It is that Fed can't execute it well, or he is not the type of player to execute it well. If this is true, then Fed is destined to be beaten by Nadal on clay in his entire career.

    Or maybe this is true. Fed tried S&V and lost to Roddick in Koon Yoong. Look that is Roddick! not Nadal! Nadal certainly can hit passing shots better than Roddick from the baseline.

    so I think Fed still has to mix up his game more, attacking the net on opportunity and finish it at the net. He probably can't play a pure baseline or a pure S&V game.

    I think Fed and Tony had some arguments in the strategy against Nadal, not that Fed completely think Tony is wrong. But Fed has had doubt ever since IW, so they parted ways.
     
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  2. helloworld

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    Actually he can serve and volley well, but he's certainly not the best at it. He was like Sampras on his early career, pretty much all serve and volley(with big forehand). Watch the match of Sampras VS Federer. It's so funny to see Fed rushed to the net after his serve every single time !
     
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  3. LarougeNY

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    He definitely has the skills at net, imo there aren't many players more skilled at net that play singles mostly.
     
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  4. fastdunn

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    Federer did not follow up his 2nd serves with net rush.
    But at the time, even some of baseliners did that at Wimbledon.

    So he was already more baseliner than average baseliners of 90's and up until 2001...

    And he sucked at S&V anyway. He had a couple of early round exits while S&Ving at Wimbledon
    until 2002, except that one good match against aging Sampras in 2001.

    Federer himself said he realized he rushed to net whenever he got panic.
    He found his calm baseline game and started to win majors from 2003.
    (Coincidentally, surfaces started to get slower sround that time.....)
     
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  5. helloworld

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    No, he don't sucked at S&V and most player in his generations were already a baseliner anyway. There's no reason to compare him to the early 90's since he turned pro in the late 90's.
     
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    Fed is actually very good serve and volleyer, it is just that game has changed, and fed does not have the biggest serve in the world either. These days, it is so difficult for pros to serve and volley cause the racket tech. You can hit a 130mph serve and come in and you find the return coming back on your feet at 135 mph. so if you are coming in, you barely left the service motion and the ball in on your shoe lace. that is part of the reason why Federer does not serve and volley all the time.
     
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  7. Khforever8

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    Yeah I agree
     
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  8. fastdunn

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    And the thing is that he does not have (did not have) motivation to
    attack the net. He keeps winning as he increasingly pins himself
    as the baseline. Why should he ?

    Maybe he will from now.

    But the thing is that other players have been increasingly experimenting
    more at the net (in order to beat Federer) and Federer has been
    increasingly hiding more at the baseline. For example, Nadal approached
    net more times than Federer many matches in 2006 Wimbledon !

    Of course, all the religious Federer fans *believes* Federer is a good net player.
    In fact, he never has been successful at the net yet.
    Well "he has not, but he'll do excellent if he does" is more of belief
    not fact. It's largely unknown. He did it some before 2003 when other
    players did. He did less frequently than other players and wasn't that
    successful...
     
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  9. tennis_hand

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    I think he should not oblige himself to go to the net. Instead he should do it whenever he feels he can by following a good shot.
     
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  10. The Ripper

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    Maybe Roger will return to being his own coach and go on to win RG. I think he has tampered too much with his game and it has been costing him. Watching replays of last year's Monaco and RG, Fed was playing much better against Nadal than he has this year - although Nadal has definitely become more deadly since last year. Maybe it was the coaching, maybe Roger is burned out - with Coach Roche out of the picture, maybe it wasn't burn out, but frustration in trying to change his game. He was brilliant without a coach, and I'm sure he learned a lot from Roche - I'm hoping he gets it together in the next two weeks and makes a relaxed (but effective) RG comeback in the nick of time!!

    Go Roger :p
     
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