I want to look sharp ...

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  1. Davis937

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    Hey ... got a big event Saturday night so I want to look really good ... was wondering what's the preferred way to tie/knot one's tie ... I like the "regular" knot ... my buddies are saying I should use the "Windsor" knot ... what do you guys (... and ladies too) think ... also ... now this is also pretty "controversial" ... how far down should one's tie hang ... some people say the bottom should hit one's belt ... others say ... the tie should fall below the belt ... survey says? Thanks for the help!! ** smile ** and I promise to wear a long sleeve white shirt with my suite (... I'll leave the short sleeve shirt at home that night, OK) ... hope the ladies will dance with me ...
     
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    ties below the belt- really, it makes guys look retarded and lack length in other areas, and a short tie is no good either, windsor knot is always the best even though i could never tie it lol, dont wear short sleeve shirt with tie, what is the occasion?
     
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  3. Davis937

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    Thanks, Lame ... a double birthday party ... at a nice country club ... getting a little excited ... don't worry, I'm still going to play tennis that afternoon (my regular routine)... get myself into the right mood ... of course all the guys will be teasing me ... wow, I think there might even be a lady or two at this shindig ... gulp ... not sure exacrtly how to act around them *smile*
     
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    my view - tie length at the belt or just above maybe an inch - once you cover your belt you might as well give up and wear your short sleeve shirt with it.

    knot - i never use windsor knot, its not a bad knot, but just looks a bit too......straight in my view, normally used by older guys (who take pride in looking straight and neat, and good for them), teachers, or some private school kids. I love generalising.

    Suit, 2 button is best (classic and sharp), if you do one button, it must be the top one (or the middle button if you have to wear a 3 button).

    Dark suit, white shirt, nice tie, can't go wrong. Wear collar inserts in the shirt, nothing worse than collars turning upwards during the night. Double cuff is a bit more classy (but quite common nowadays) than simple cuff.
     
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    My buds are encouraging me to go "windsor" ... not even sure if I'm spelling it correctly ... seeing as how I don't know how to tie one ... would it be in poor taste if I wore a clip on tie ... I have one but it only hangs down three or four buttons ... ends just above my belly button ... because of my gut ... it ends up looking like a ski jump (... I know you guys are smiling ... please stop that)!
     
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    Shoots ... I don't need to use a belt ... do I really need to use one ... especially if I keep my jacket buttoned (yeah ... it's a two button job, pin stripe .. charcoal gray) ..
     
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    My long sleeve white shirt ... hmmm ... looks a little cream colored now (few years old) ... anyway, the shirt has button down collars ... is that no good for evening wear ... I was thinking maybe my white short sleeve shirt (Arrow ... from JC Penneys) ... afterall, if I wear my jacket, no one will know, no? I do want to look sharp for the ladies ... I'm ready to boogie (... do the ladies still use that term) ...
     
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    CanadianChic and Tina ... please post

    Hey ladies ... let me know your thoughts on how I'm dressing for Saturday night ... is it a hit or a miss ... be honest with me, OK ...
     
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  9. PimpMyGame

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    If you wear a short sleeved shirt with jacket and tie you'll look like a factory ops director. I would suggest full sleeved shirt, tie ending an inch above the belt (and please do wear a belt) either full or half Windsor, a dark single breasted suit.

    But - more importantly - do not forget your extremities - hair and shoes. Many people will initially assess you on hair and shoes, and skip everything else in between. First impressions count. Maybe some Oliver Sweeneys with a matching belt? What's your budget like?
     
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    ^^ I could post, but I'd post what PMG did. On the money there, nice post.
     
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    wear a belt of course, even if its covered, u will no doubt be put in a position where your belt-less trousers will be showing, not a good look, they are more of an accessory as opposed to functional and u may as well go naked if u dont have one
     
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    Windsor knot. Not quite touching the belt as progressor said. White cream should be ok, longsleeve button down shirt. Dark jacket. Black trousers with black shoes. Cannot go wrong there.
     
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    seems button down shirts are a US thing, not very common in the UK, if in UK wouldnt recommend button down.

    Shiny shoes, is a must too.

    Simple belt with simple buckle, no cowboy style buckles. Belt to match shoes, cant go wrong with black.
     
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    Double Windsor, only the pros know this knot, and puts all other knots to shame. It looks wwwaaaayyyy more professional than the windsor and during conversation, wives will point out to there husbands stating that's how you tie a tie (i know this knot) ;-). Leave bow-ties to Carlton Winslow, only a select few can pull that look off. if you don't look like Justin Timberlake, don't go that route.

    Edit: the tie should hang only to the top of the belt buckle. as you sit, your tie shouldn't hang past the "bulge" in your pants. the tie should only rest on the bulge/fly seem.

    have to agree with the two button jacket, possibly sports coat if at CC occasion. grey is safe and matches just about any color but orange and yellow. dark/midnight blue will set you apart from the rest of the folks. Beige/tan/khaki I can guess will be the trend and if you want to blend, it's a safe bet.

    shoes, medium square toe, not too wide, don't want the shoes to look like duck bills. Johnston & Murphy comes to mind or shoes, classy shiek. black, brown, white, so many to choose, color should match the belt tho.

    Belt- Again, try to match it with the shoes. it's a safe play. I prefer the buckle to be solid, not a ring type buckle. belts are relatively inexpensive and a quality designer belt can be found at TJMaxx and Marshalls.
     
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  15. PimpMyGame

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    Agree. Reminds me of 1997.
     
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    +1 for Double Windsor

    +1 for just slighty above the belt

    +1 for actually wearing a belt
     
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    With a gray pinstripe....?

    Bright white long sleeve, 100% cotton, medium starched, shirt.

    Small knot in a muted color that comes to the middle of your belt while standing.

    White tri fold silk pocket square 1/2 inch above the breast pocket.

    Black belt, nothing fancy in the buckle - you're not a rodeo rider.

    Black lace up shoe - J&M, Cole Haan.

    Hint - if you're unsure on the knot to wear, go to decent men's store, Nordstrom, Jos Bank, etc. and ask the associate to help you tie the knot. they'll show you and you can even loosen it, take it off, and leave tied to put back on that night.
     
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    Here are a few slides from GQ to go through...tips for certain body types. Bear in mind fashion magazines are sometimes a bit cutting edge for us regular folks to pull off, but this one seems pretty mellow. The only surprise to me is the no-belt suggestion.

    http://www.gq.com/how-to/fashion/200707/gq-primer-suit-your-shape-slideshow#slide=1

    Note the lack of button-down shirts. No button down shirt w/ a suit & tie IMHO. Here's a button down vs the collar you should wear pic link.

    http://eugenekim.net/gqexample2.jpg

    Finally, yes wear your clip-on tie, if you want to hang in the corner all evening talking with your buds. If you want to talk to the fairer sex and you are older than 12 walk over to the trash can, not the one inside, go straight to the one outside by the curb, and toss your clip-on in right now.

    Have fun.
     
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  19. ProgressoR

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    Whoa!!

    a pocket square is new territory. In my view this is difficult to carry off unless you are very confident, very suave etc. Otherwise it just falls a bit flat. If you wear a tie, it should match the tie.

    If just the jacket and no tie, then white is ok, or another strong solid colour that complements the other colours you are wearing.
     
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    Good find on the article.:)
     
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    The knot on your tie depends on the type of collar your shirt has. Unless you are wearing a spread collar shirt, do not use a Windsor or Double Windsor. Even then, don't use that type of knot unless your head is the size of a basketball. The reason being, that knot is about the size of your fist.

    If you are younger and this is not a super formal occasion, just use a 4 in hand knot, simple, sleek and goes with almost any collar type (except spread).

    If the lapels on your suit are thin, use a skinny tie, if not... use a regular (width) tie.

    Get nice shoes, no square toe or pointy toe, just a regular rounded toe is fine. Brown shoes go with any color suit except for black (and maybe a dark charcoal).

    Belt matches your shoes, same color, same material.

    Do not wear jewelry. Jewelry for a man is called a watch.
     
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    +1 for the Four-In-Hand knot. They key to any good knot is in the dimple just below it. No dimple = crap knot (or crap tie). Button-down collared shirts are fine, just not with a suit or jacket.
     
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    Don't you think your wife should be a part of discussion? I am not a type of person that always look for troubles:)
     
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    This. Also agree that the tie should just hit at the belt buckle. First and foremost, act like you've been there or you "belong" there. Own the room. To be very cheesy...confidence is your #1 accessory.
     
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    No, women have no place in men's fashion.

    You want to look like a guy who knows how to dress, not a guy who's wife dressed him.

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    OP, as stated before, can't tell you what kind of knot to use unless we know what shirt you are wearing and how big your head is.

    Usually four in hand or half Windsor. But if you have a big head and spread collar you can use a full Windsor.

    You don't want to get too fancy when it is not a very formal event.

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    Wow ... just checked the posts

    Hey, everyone ... well, I am overwhelmed ... just checked my posts and ... damn ... almost choked up here ... I just knew I could depend on my TTW friends to help out ... some really EXCELLENT posts and I will try to answer some of them individually ... but to all of you who took the time to post ... and to help me out ... I just want to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH ... as you can tell, I don't get dressed to the "nines" too often so it will be fun ... also a little stressful ...
     
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    Honestly, please visit a store of men's warehouse. Sale representatives are quite helpful. My ex-boyfriend looked so sharp after discussing with sale representatives there. Just watched out the items they want you to buy at the store. Hope it helps, my maid of honor:)
     
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    naw naw naw.... double windsor is not the size of your fist....

    +1 for just the watch. If You're not part of the cast of Jersey Shore nor a Sports All-Star, leave it out.
     
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    A windsor knot is not the size of a fist. With a nice silk tie, it's no larger than any other knot. A double windsor may be too big, and you really have a long tie or tie will be difficult to get the length you want. Yes, wear a belt, a black one unless you have a brown suit, which I doubt. If its really that formal, wear a white, cotton, ironed shirt. If it's kind of formal, but you want to look a little more sporty, think about a dark shirt (black if the suit is black pin stripe) and a lighter tie. If it's super formal, think about a small bow tie. If you've got the bucks to spend, buy a shirt that uses cuff links. Try on a few suits. Look at pleated vs non pleated. Haven't seen you, so couldn't begin to tell you which looks best on YOU. Non pleated is probably more formal. Main thing, like others said, be confident and be you. Clothes only accentuate what you feel inside.
     
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    Depends on the tie (viz. length) and your body type.

    Tie should hang in the middle of your belt buckle.
     
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    Way too much stress here on the knot. Tie whatever knot makes you feel comfortable, both in tying and how it looks.
     
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    Sorry ... I've been so busy ...

    Hey everyone ... thanks for all of the posts and suggestions ... got some real clothes horses here ... I'm impressed, as usual, with the expertise we have here on TTW ... you guys and ladies are GREAT ... anyway, I'm off to the airport now but will respond later tonight ... yeah, as mentioned it's going to be a double birthday party at one of the nicer country clubs ... I DO want to look good ... OK ... the story behind the story ... one of my ex's is going to be there ... well, not just one ... maybe THE one ... I had more passion and love for her than any of the other women I've been with ... I loved everything about her ... you know the routine ... that relationship opened my eyes to the expression that love is not quite enough ... it was a problematic relationship (... love and passion aside) ... that was ... hmmm 10 years ago now ... but she has remarried (... and I'm happy for her) ... I just want to look good ... I know I am going to be nervous around her ... I'm getting sweaty palms already ... I hate to say this but I think I still love her ... I know ... I know ... I've moved on too ... but it was soooo nice with her (... well, those good times we shared, at least) ... it's easy to forget all of the difficult times, no?
     
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    No wonder you are not sharing your location with us at TTW. You have a big secret in life:). Good Luck!!!
     
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    False, I've chosen all of my friends based on the type of knot they wear.
     
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    I have always been a fan of casual attire on men but if you feel for the occasion you should wear a suit so be it. Is it a lightweight cotton or linen suit? I agree as well that too much is being placed on the knot. No one cares, really they don't. I also agree that if you are wearing a jacket you need a long sleeved shirt and the tie should be just above the pant line. Don't think that no one will notice white socks....wear black. BTW...what colour is the tie? Orange is very in right now but that colour may be a little too daring for you. ;)

    Now if I may suggest that you wear a non scented deodorant to this affair? If there is dancing you will want to apply more than usual and a strongly scented deodorant can overpower the area. Don't go too heavy on the cologne (you want to draw them in, not repel them) and mess up the hair a little. It's summer - have fun!
     
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    lol, nice :)
     
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    Umm, err, gee I hope your wife never reads this forum, or that you're bizarrely as honest with her as you are above!
     
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    Look at other colors of shirts besides plain white. I know it is very traditional but there are many, many options.

    Full windsor knot, just at top of belt, spread color on the shirt, cuff links
     
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    Make sure you don't have any ketchup stains on your tie. Nothing says class like a tie without ketchup IMO.
     
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    Thanks, Pimp ... now I'm getting confusing instructions ... some people saying above the belt, others even with the belt, and others say the tie should fall below the belt line ... help?
     
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    Thanks, Lame ... OK ... definitely will use a belt ...
     
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    Chill, man, chill. As you move, the tie will move anyways.

    Ties should never fall below the belt line, it looks sloppy. Make a choice as to whether you want it just fractionally above the belt or around the middle of it based on what you like, what you think looks good (we're talking about around an inch of difference here anyways).

    The only real faux pas to be made was no belt, and short sleeve shirt. People have helped you avoid those. Some of this needs to actually be you, not just a photo you manufacture.
     
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    Hey ProgessoR ... *smile* ... now, don't be giving me ideas about the belt!
     
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    Hey racquetbreaker ... thank you for the very detailed and comprehensive post ... now you really got me stressed out ... and I thought this dressing up was going to be something fairly simple ... silly me ... hey, are you serious about this "double windsor" or are you just joshing me ... my god ... it sounds like the knot is going to be about half the size of my face!
     
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    Hey Wilson ... thanks for the post ... you must know me ... I like the suggestion regarding "saving my already tied tie" for the big night ... good thinking ... now, I like your tie to the belt ... I was always taught it should hang just a little lower ... can't get much consensus on the tie length ... we're all over the place with that ... hmmm ... "a decent men's store" ... I guess my friendly Walgreens and KMart wouldn't work, huh ... those ties they wear look awfully nice with their short sleeve shirts and vests!
     
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    Hey Hiker ... I really like your post ... it definitely put a huge SMILE on my face and reduced my stress level ... significantly ... see, I wasn't too far off when I suggested going beltless (GQ recommended or not) ... OK ... I am putting away my button down shirt (... my frat days are over ... remember ... button down shirt, levis, and a sports jacket) ...I guess I'll toss my clip on ... yeah, I do want to talk ... and dance ... with the ladies ... to hell with my buds ... see enough of them on the courts!
     
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    Yeah ... some good advice, Wilson, but the pocket handkerchief is just not me ... an apricot colored ascot maybe (that Carly Simon song "You're so vain" keeps running through my head) ... but not the silk square ... thanks!
     
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    Hey Jrk ... thanks for the post ... btw ... I really like your avatar ... anyone we know ... no jewelry, huh ... guess I'm going to have to deep six my Mr. T necklaces/medallions ... I thought they were pretty discreet ... but ... maybe not for the country club scene ... yeah, the double windsor also got my attention ... sounds cumbersome and heavy (... the weight would probably keep pulling my head down all night) ... hmmm ... I was going to wear brown shoes ... I have a pin stripe gray/charcoal suit ... the shoes are DARK brown .. would that be OK ... come to think of it ... my belt is also dark brown ... belt and shoes definitely match.
     
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    Hey retlod ... thanks ... yeah, what exactly is this "four-in-hand" knot ... is that what they call a "regular" knot ... I'm not going to go with the Windsor ... thanks for the dimple rule ... I have a silk tie so that should sit nicely ... never realized that about the "dimple" before ... one dimple in my chin is sufficient, I suppose ... no sense dazzling the ladies with two ... yeah, I decided to do away with the button down shirt ... wish me luck!
     
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