Ideas how to find over the shoulder finish on FH?

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  1. torpantennis

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    For a long time, I've had this strange problem: I cannot naturally hit a FH with standard over the shoulder finish. I either exaggerate the WW motion, pronate the forearm, and finish at the waist level, or then use the reverse finish on some balls, e.g. running defensive CC FHs. Typical of the two finishes on basic rally balls is the waist level finish, with the preferred contact point a tad below shoulder height.

    Whenever I try to finish over the shoulder I either end up still finishing below shoulder, or open the racquet face too much, and the ball sails long. It feels almost impossible to pronate the forearm without finishing below shoulder. And if I don't pronate the forearm, the racquet face opens too much. Any ideas how to find over the shoulder finish? Should I use a lower contact point with it? Should I pronate the arm with this finish, even though it feels unnatural?
     
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  2. Lukhas

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    What's the problem with the WW finish?
     
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  3. torpantennis

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    ^^All my coaches have said that I should hit more through the ball. I think finishing over the shoulder gives it automatically?
     
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  4. Cobaine

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    Finishing over the shoulder is an antiquated technique (for male players at least). Watch the male pros. They only finish over the shoulder on high balls in the midcourt.

    I'm not saying its a bad thing if you already have technique that finishes that way, but since you don't... there's no point in trying to change the modern finish that you have.

    My coach used to say that if you're having trouble hitting through the ball, pretend that you have to hit through three tennis balls when you make contact.

    It worked for me.
     
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  5. Fintft

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    Yeah and finish around the body...
     
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  6. Lukhas

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    No. Hit less low to high and more backwards to forward and keep your finish.
     
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  7. Fintft

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    You mean "feel your finish"? Like feel the weight of the racquet head as you finish/accelerate around the body? That would be first advice I received from a coach in Romania.
     
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  8. Lukhas

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    No. I mean keep your (WW) finish.
     
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  9. GuyClinch

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    It's funny you say that. I have a coach and we reworked my forehand. I am trying to NOT finish over the shoulder.

    Watch this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnRy06xcSQ

    You can swing through the ball hit nice and through the ball.. I would just work with a more modern forehand like the one Kevin illustrates here.
     
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    http://youtu.be/6XFjrNPY1B8 - This is me, bent elbow forehand when I was playing the other night. I'm taking a relatively highball but watch how I'm still kind of going low to high and still hitting down so it doesn't go out. See how I'm focusing on hitting forwards, finishing around my body. It's a pretty fast shot. I'm no coach though, i just like hitting tennis balls!

    But.. yeah not really any need to finish over shoulder as others have said, just focus on hitting balls and working on it.
     
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  11. dominikk1985

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    doesn't djokovic sometimes use an over the shoulder finish?

    If you hit well with a WW finish there is nothing bad about it. I always use a WW finish.
     
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  12. GuyClinch

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    Most pros will use an occasional around the shoulder finish - a true over the shoulder finish is rare. Its a subtle difference but a significant one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGodD1fMfHY

    This is because pros swing so much across the body nowadays.. I don't even think WW is the right word and it sends the wrong signals.

    Its open stance - L backswing (where you kinda pass the racquet back with your left hand) - finish across the body with the top edge of the racquet slightly close and closing MORE as you swing past the contact point..

    I have heard people theorize that you can involve your chest muscles more with an across the body swing - thus its easier to add more power. I don't know if this is true but it seems possible. I remember the serve doctor saying the reason you kinda limbo is because it opens up your chest to the sky and allows you to use more of your chest muscles on the serve..
     
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  13. mightyrick

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    Something to consider is that the finish (over the shoulder, or to the side of the body) is a result of the type of stroke you hit. It is something that should happen naturally -- almost unconsciously.

    If you have a good low-to-high mechanic, then you will finish either over the shoulder or to the side of the body. Where you finish really depends on where ball contact was made and the kind of stroke you are hitting at a given moment.

    For example, on a running forehand the resulting finish is a reverse finish -- many times. On an inside-out forehand, the resulting finish may often be over-the-shoulder. On a standard baseline shot, if you have time to prepare and make contact well out in front... the resulting finish will probably be to the side of the body.

    Try not to think about your finish. Just make sure every forehand has a good low-to-high component and let the rest take care of itself.
     
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  14. vicp

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    A good cue to a good finish is to end up with the racquet butt pointing in the direction you hit the ball. I don't think it matters much if you finish over your shoulder or across your body. Even though the ball is long gone during the finish, a good finish usually indicates that your stroke was good and smooth.
     
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  15. Fintft

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    I totally agree with Kevin (saw his video before) and you about hitting through the ball with a modern FH (Bragging issues aside, people in my ladder, say that I have the hardest FH, some can't adjust at all to them, during the whole indoor season and most of my rallying partners are, probably for that reason alone, higher rated than me).
     
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  16. torpantennis

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    Nice ideas. I'll stick with my finish, which is presumably a result of a relatively modern swing.

    I checked from some practice videos of mine, and it turned out I have very high contact point close to shoulder height, whereas my friends who finish over the shoulder have a contact point below hips. Also, my friends don't use a WW kind of a swing, but instead swing with a loopier low semicircle kind of a path, with the racquet looping from above sholders to below knees and then back up above shoulder to the finish. It's no surprise, they have trouble with high bounces whereas I have trouble with low bounces.

    The 1:st swingpath that Kevin describes there is exactly how I now hit my FH. The more penetrating 2:nd version that he describes is a swing I should learn. A great vid really!

    Exactly. I'll stick with my modern swing and finish. But any hints how to handle low bouncing balls with the modern FH? I have huge problems with flat/slice incoming balls of my friends.
     
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  17. torpantennis

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    This was indeed a very nice hint, i.e thinking of hitting from inside of the ball to the outside of the ball. But after using this concept in today's practices, I ended up hitting more than half of my FHs with the reverse finish. TBH, I've never hit my FHs this heavy. The consistency was also great. I think I'll work a bit more with these two concepts, i.e Kevin's idea and then the Nadalesque finish!
     
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