If AGAIN it is Federer vs. Nadal

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  1. HollerOne5

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    If it somehow manages to be Federer and Nadal in the finals of Wimbledon, just a few weeks after they played each other in the finals of the French on a totally different court, isn't it time to start realizing we could be witnessing TWO of the greatest players ever beginning to overtake the sport for many years to come, now that Nadal is a proven factor on all surfaces???? Let's be honest guys, this is some real Evert/Navratilova shiiit we got going on here.....
     
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  2. Simon Cowell

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    Well, that or Nadal has finally pulled away from the rest of the field like some of us have believed he would for some time.
     
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  3. HollerOne5

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    The thing is, at age 20, Nadal is already dominating the field, with the exception that some believe to be James Blake (although they have only played twice, and everyone must admit that it is never a given that Blake will beat Nadal, just has his 2 wins).

    Basically, if you are co-dominating the entire field, with the other dominater being the supposed GOAT in many people's eyes, then what we could be witnessing over the next few years could be legendary in tennis. I'm not trying to get ahead of myself here, but, let's just theorize how well Nadal would be doing compared to the field if Federer weren't around, then, by that, its obvious to say that both players are Hall of Fame-bound and will continue to battle each other for years.
     
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  4. malakas

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    I personally don't like so much Nadal's game.And I also find that his draw was super-easy.But if he manages to win Jarkko and Baggy I will admit that he has improved.A LOT!
    But..in the same level as fed??No...Perhaps..NOT YET!
     
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  5. jaykay

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    Amen to that.

    P.S. Malakas: I just realized that you joined this forum in May-2006 and you have over a 1000 posts!?! WHAT ARE YOU UPTO, GIRL? You defly are a TW nutcase...
     
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  6. mowcopian

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    i still think tht if there is a fed nadal rematch on grass then federer will walk away with the match and i would predict the score to be 6-2,7-6,6-4.
     
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  7. malakas

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    Pppfffttt!!:p
    Mind your own business ..nuttie!!
     
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  8. jaykay

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    :D

    Jus' kidding...
     
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  9. Rhino

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    his route to the quarters:
    Alex Bogdanovic (who has still not won a single match all year, ATP 135),
    Robert Kendrick (who had won 1 match all year before Wimbledon, ATP 237),
    Andre Agassi (who is 36 with a bad back, even Henman beat him at Queens),
    Irakli Labadze (who had won 1 match all year before Wimbledon, ATP 166)

    Does that make you a 'proven factor' on grass?.
    Sounds like a challenger tournament to me. Or futures.

    If Nadal by some strange fluke manages to get by Nieminen, Baghdatis will crush him.
     
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  10. jaykay

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    Well said.
     
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  11. mowcopian

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    nadal was very lucky to progress from that match against kendrick, but winning that match made him stronger and he then took that into the next match. every time he wins on grass he gets so much confidence.
     
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  12. Simon Cowell

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    Do you also consider his 4-0 record in 2006 over Roger Federer a fluke? LoL. Tell me, Federer fans, does it really sting that bad that you have to call all of Nadal's wins flukes or consequences of an easy draw? Get real.
     
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  13. bagung

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    baghdatis??? be real guys.... baghdatis lucky run will end in nadal's hand.....
     
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  14. fastdunn

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    Other possibility is that Federer might turn out to be not
    that great player people are expecting now.

    IF (big IF) Nadal somehow also starts to beat Federer
    at slams on faster surface, there might be one teenager
    and another who starts to beat him.

    Well, Nadal has not had any real tests yet.
    Nieminen and Baghdatis are real tests.
    But Nadal has passed basic tests on grass, I would say,
    while revealing obvious short comings....
     
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  15. Rhino

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    No

    I don't call them flukes.


    1) Look at Nadals draw again
    2) Look at Nadals record on grass
    3) Look at Federers draw
    4) Look at Federers record on grass

    See? Simple! Even for a child.
     
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  16. superman1

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    He has two tough opponents coming up, so let's see how he does. If he beats them, I'll be convinced that he is a top grasscourt player.

    And I can't believe people are still calling Baghdatis a fluke. If you've seen him play, you'll know he has all the shots and really hits the ball nicely. If he worked harder on his fitness, he would have been in the top 10 sooner.
     
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  17. malakas

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    Well..but he is from now the most successful of his age-group tennis player with the exception of Nadal!;)
    Who would have thought that in the beginning of 2006??!!
    He was out of the top 50 and now..he is in the top 10!!(well 90% he is)
     
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  18. dh003i

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    Here's a FACT: Nadal's best match, set, or game (just extrapolate the latter) on grass so far at Wimbledon wouldn't beat Federer's absolute worst match at Wimbledon so far.

    It's as simple as that. Nadal has no chance.

    Of course, stupid Nadal fanboys are being optimistic by assuming he makes it to the semifinals, and then beats a much better grass-court player than himself, Baghdatis (Baghdatis has been playing some great grass-court tennis).
     
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    i will never forget bag-boy's match against ARod at AO. He totally took ARod off of his game and exposed his weaknesses. He did the exact same thing to lubicic. Now Hewitt, eventhough, he didnt play so great.

    if this solves his mental game (seek a sports psychologist), this guy could become #3, maybe even number #2. He is very good at exposing weaknesses and staying in the game. Not to mention he has a very good return game, aowsome two handed backhand, and not afraid of playing 5setters.


    i saw clip of his interview on BBC, he was saying that in the second set, he realized "OMG... I am beating Hewitt" and took himself off the match. As this guy gets more confidence, watch out...
     
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  20. vicnan

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    To me, the revelation of the tournament so far has been how well Nadal has adapted to grass. I now think he has a real chance at winning Wimbledon. But I still like Federer's chances this year if it is between him and Nadal.
     
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  21. tennis334

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    I believe Federer will win. However, if Nadal makes the final, I think it will be close. Nadal can track down so many balls that it gives Federer more time to get frustrated and start to miss.
     
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  22. mileslong

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    i love that nadal has won two majors total and now he is one of the greatest of all time....stupid nadal fanboys
     
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  23. siber222000

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    one of the many reason nadal got to the QF is.. he got a lucky draw just like ivan ljubicic in french open.

    BAGHDATIS WILL BEAT NADAL IN STRAIGHT!!! =)
     
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    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, as much as we love Baggy you have to admit that he was playing out of his mind against Hewitt. We saw him meltdown against Nadal earlier this year and the occasion of getting to his second slam final may get to his head, and when that happens Nadal jumps all over you and doesn't let go. If he can keep his head straight then there's no way he loses to Nadal or Niemenin, if not, one of the other two will steal the Final from him and most likely get straight setted by Federer.
     
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    will this federer and nadal right ever end?
     
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  26. dh003i

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    Breaker,

    Or maybe he just played up to his potential. Sure, Nadal beat him before -- but not on grass. So what?

    Baghdatis just has a much much better grasscourt game than Nadal, whether playing out of his mind or not.
     
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  27. jings

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    It may yet be a fed / nadal final. However I can't help but look at the draw and wonder if nadal would have got through gasquet, henman, mahut, berdych and ancic at all, let alone without dropping a set and only 2 service games? By all manner of reasoning Ancic would have beaten any other player on the planet yesterday. Nadal can't do anything about his draw, he can only play what's in front of him ... but he should make the most of it this year. The gods are unlikely to shine as kindly again.
     
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  28. HollerOne5

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    Obviously people didn't understand the point of this thread whatsoever. It says if it is, IF, Federer and Nadal in the final. Thats assuming Nadal gets by Baggs, so you don't have to predict that match. Secondly, we aren't just talking about grass court tennis, I'm talking about 2 dominant players living in the same era.

    Now, as for your rhino, draws are draws and no player has control over them. It's also not Nadal's fault that people can't live up to their seeding, but he is playing the players that took out the seeds, so who cares.

    Secondly, this is only Rafa's 3rd Wimbledon, and his record is now 7-2, which isn't that bad. Roger has played like 6 or 7 Wimbledons, so you really can't comare the two honey. The only valid comparison would be to compare Federer's first 3 Wimbledons and Nadal's.....IF Nadal makes the final, he will have done it much sooner than Roger, so succk it
     
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  29. siber222000

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    we're just saying THAT WON'T HAPPEN! how simple is that?
     
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  30. HollerOne5

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    oh the haters
     
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  31. Tennis_Goodness

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    Federer is already one of the greats and is probablly going to become the best of all time, Nadal could become one of the greats too, but he has a long way to go!
     
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  32. alienhamster

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    Right, Baghdatis, like Federer, should be able to blow Nadal off the court.

    SHOULD.

    But Nadal has the ability to get into your head, and we know that there's something mental with Baghdatis with everyone at times as well as with Fed whenever he plays Nadal. I am VERY excited to see these match-ups. (And I like Niemenen, and generally wish him well, but I really want Nadal into the semis and final.)

    I predicted Nadal to the quarters pre-tournament because I saw him live at Stella and was really impressed with his grass play. Or, how he seemed to be adapting his game to grass. He's got guts and defense, and those two things can win you some major matches, especially when they're 3 of 5 (no matter the surface).
     
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  33. Chang

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    So I suppose Nadal has a tough draw. Let him play Gasquet, Henman, Mahut, Beydych and he'll get his ass whooped let alone not drop a set.
     
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  34. The Pusher Terminator

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    Yes. Accoring to Tennis wek it is ending before our very eyes.

    "Nadal seems supremely confident he will dethrone Federer, and the process apparently is underway before our eyes. "....Tennis Week Magazine
     
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  35. Grimjack

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    By the end of his third Wimbledon, the toughest player Fed had faced was Pete Sampras. Fed won.

    The toughest player Nadal has faced...wait...he hasn't faced a tough player yet. He has, however, been crushed by Gilles Muller.
     
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  36. HollerOne5

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    Well obviously you would retract that statement I'm assuming if Nadal were able to win Wimbledon over Federer in his 3rd try. OBVOIUSLY, then you would look like an idiot.
     
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  37. ksbh

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    At last, some sense in this thread.

    I just can't understand why the Fed loverboys are jumping all over the place? Sure, Nadal had an easy draw but even with this draw, most poeple on this forum gave him no chance to get into the second week (and I must admit, I didn't think he would make it either). But now Nadal is well on the way to the semi's (2 sets up on Nieminen) and bingo ... we have a whole host of fools jumping in with the 'easy draw' theories.

    Nadal may win Wimbledon (I like his chances) or not but he's proved he can play respectably on grass. Lets just give the kid his due. Get over the foolish fanaticism/hatred and enjoy the sport.

    P.S: Some of these Nadal lovers should stop winding up the Fed boys. Predictably, the Fed boys take the bait and then all we have is Nadal hatred posts. It's irritating.

     
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  38. d70

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    i would love to see nadal beat federe on grass thou i'm cheer for federer to win one against nadal this year.
     
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  39. Surecatch

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    These guys are my two favorite players so maybe I can lend something to the discussion. The wins against Fed are not flukes at all. Nadal is the second best player in the world....you can't call wins flukes when that's the case. However, that doesn't make Nadal the better overall player.....that's just not the case. Federer is the superior player at this point because he a)has the more complete game (imo the most complete game ever), and b) is better on a larger variety of surfaces. Right now, I wouldn't say the gap is vast, but it is significant. I think that will be proven in a Fed-Raf Wimby final. What Nadal has going for him is threefold: His will is ironclad....I've rarely seen such a tough competitor. Secondly, although he is what some might call a "one trick pony", a clay court specialist, he is making significant strides on other surfaces...something a true champion would be doing at this point in his career. Thirdly, I truly believe that he probably is in Roger's head a little bit, and that's saying something because Federer isn't even close to what you might call a "mental weakling" on the court.

    Bottom line: A great rivalry could be brewing....I like it. Especially since Federer will most likely win a final against Raf rather handily, which will go some distance towards him getting the kid out of his head so much. It's awesome I tell ya.
     
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  40. skip1969

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    objective and insightful post. which basically means, there's no place for it on this forum when a nadal/federer b*tchfest is on. it's all purses and handbags here, dear.
     
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  41. dh003i

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    Nadal has about as much chance of beating Federer as there is a chance of GW Bush pulling out of Iraq. That is, when pigs fly.
     
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  42. Surecatch

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    Haha.....that's message boards though. I can't really do the purses and handbags. The truth is that a message board with only posts like mine would probably be more boring than what we have anyway. Objective posting works better for me in the face of purses and handbags...:p
     
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  43. elquien

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    The Fed is well on his way to winning it all. On grass not even Nadal can stop him. That said, Nadal has really made adjustments for grass that will serve him well in the coming hard court season. He is serving better, moving closer to the baseline and even venturing to the net. Wimby is a done deal but Fed better watch out! With the other 90% of the tournaments not on grass I really don't see this becoming a rivalry while Nadal continues his success over Fed.
     
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  44. Simon Cowell

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    Yeah we've heard that one before. "Federer will be motivated to take him down at the French" ...."This loss at Monte Carlo was good for Federer, he's figuring Nadal out"........You better hope and pray Rafa doesn't make it to the final. 5-0 will have a nice ring to it.
     
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  45. Mulligan

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    It's pretty sad when someone is defending Federer by calling Nadal (who has beaten Fed on all surfaces so far but grass) the "Queen of Clay" or keeps insisting that Nadal is doping, "bumbles around speaking caveman's english", etc. Dude, you have other issues to deal with and your posts are getting more boorish.

    Otherwise, its been great to see Nadal doing so well, so soon on grass. He brings some excitement to every tournament that he enters and is fun to watch. Good for tennis. I'm a fan of Fed, Nadal, Baghdatis, Bjorkman.....so bring on the semi's!!!!!
     
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