If Djokovic does the Grand Slam this year. . .

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  1. The Hype

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    does he go above Nadal in all-time great status? I mean he was pretty darn close to doing it last year. If he does it this year he'll be two slams behind Nadal. Where would he rank on the all-time list?
     
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    That would would make Djokovic at 9 while Nadal is 10. Djokovic would need 2 more slams to surpass Nadal.

    Let say Djokovic does pass Nadal. Nadatards would bring up the pointless Olympic Gold Medal, and mutiple Davis Cup, and 7+MC that no one cares about.
     
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  3. rodrigoamaral

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    Don't see it happenning this year, fed is going to get either wimbledon or us open
     
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  4. Tammo

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    If he were to do that maybe around Agassi's level of GOATness. I wouldn't say he would be to Nadal's level yet.

    And do you include the Olympics?
     
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  5. DjokovicForTheWin

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    According to Lavertards, if Djoker does the GS this year, then he surpasses Fed. LOL
     
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  6. Tammo

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    Djokovci has 5 then 3 more this year would 8. Or are you counting Cincy?
     
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  7. Mike Sams

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    Nadal would be considered as a transitional champion!
    Lucky to have won his career Slam between the declining days of the legendary Federer and the rising of the current legend Djokovic.
     
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  8. Mike Sams

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    It's not just about the Slam count. Critics would also point to the fact that MOST of Nadal's Slams and Masters were on clay. That still makes Nadal a natural dirtballer as opposed to the all-surface great. Nadal needs to win more tournaments on hardcourts, particularly the AO and the USO.
     
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    Yeah 8 :oops:........Djokovic never will win Cincinnati anyways. 0-3 and too close to the US Open to waste energy on.
     
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    It is true with Nadal being a dirtballer. Though he has 2 HC and 2 Grass slams. Djokovic has 4 HC, 1 WTF, 1 WB. Djokovic would be considered a hard court specialist.

    They both have something to prove.....Djokovic needs at least 2-3 RG, and 2-3 WB.

    Nadal needs another AO, and US......to write off that he was lucky in a weak clay era.
     
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    Olympics

    It is only a 750 point event (so worth less than a Masters 1000) so hardly relevant in these discussions.

    Djokovic has won the far more prestigious Season end finals, which Nadal hasn't.
     
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    You are right, being one of a few players to win the career slam doesn't overshadow this clay only nonsense, NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  13. jokinla

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    BAHAHAHA, with theories like these, it's no wonder you have that avatar.
     
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    If Djokovic wins Roland Garros and, yes, its a big IF, then I can only see one thing happening this year and that's Djokovic doing the Grand Slam. How could he not win Wimbledon coming off of the euphoria of winning RG? The fact the slams are so close together really helps his cause in my opinion. I mean mentally, he would be untouchable. And then with Oz, RG and wimbledon in the bag how on earth would he not win the US? He'd give more effort than twenty Nadals to get that title.

    It all sounds so easy!
     
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    Joker could win an OG, but he'll never get 7 MC's so he's still lower than Nadal on the list.
     
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  16. Clarky21

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    Your user name fits this thread perfectly. :lol:
     
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  17. Agassifan

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    Respect the olympic gold, not so much the Davis cup, but man.. MC is not even a regular Masters tournament.
     
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  18. Talker

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    Four in a row is added to his slam total and is a nice record.
    I don't count holding all four at once near as important as total.

    Five out of six is what is more impressive.
     
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    If he manages to win all slams this year that would a freaking amazing achievement. he would be GOAT in my book. It's almost impossible to win all 4 majors in one year. Nobody did it since Laver, but Laver had to play only on grass and clay.
     
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    If Djokovic wins the grand slam this year, he surpasses Nadal. GYGS hasn't been done in 40+ years and has never been done on three surfaces. (mens tennis, anyway).

    It would be the greatest achievement in the Open Era, IMO, especially if he pairs it with a gold medal.
     
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  21. Evan77

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    totally agree plus if could pull off CYGS in the era of Federer, Nadal and Murray that would be absolutely astonishing.

    I doubt it will happen, but good luck to Djok.
     
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    If he does that "Grand Slam" this year, then he'd either be right before Nadal or right after him on the list of all-time greats. That would be 6 slams in a row for Djoker...which has NEVER happened in the open era.

    But like others have mentioned, it's probably not going to happen. It hasn't happened in 40+ years for a reason. You pretty much have to have an era where one guy is dominating across ALL surfaces. Not just "winning" on all surfaces, but dominating.
     
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    CYGS + a couple more slams for Djok = first class ticket to tier 1.

    I don't think he will win Wimbledon again though.
     
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  24. Sentinel

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    Why not WO ?
     
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    for sure.

    As for W, I guess we'll see. Who knows? Let's see what happens at RG first.
     
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  26. FedererDropShot

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    To be honest, the only people I see winning RG are Nadal or Federer...
     
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  27. Evan77

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    Fed can win another RG only if someone takes out Nadal. I don't see it. Even Jesus Roger failed against Nadal so miserably in Paris.
     
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  28. Evan77

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    lol, that's hilarious.. haha. I like Clarky tho. she is cool.
     
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    it's hard to hold a great respect for a guy who is owned by Hrbaty, Davidenko and loses 7 straight finals to a lesser player...

    ******* logic redux
     
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  30. tank_job

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    Unfortunately, I see Nadal going back to dominating Djokovic in the near future.

    Djokovic's lead over him is very brittle now, as shown in the AO final 2012. One loss to Nadal whether in a slam or not, and the floodgates are open for Nadal to start dominating Djokovic again.

    As much as I dislike Nadal, this is what I feel in my gut will happen. Then there will be no-one to stop Nadal from mopping up the slams like a sponge from hell.
     
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  31. Rozroz

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    Don't forget Nadal's knees are about to totally break if he ever sits again.
     
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  32. The Hype

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    I don't think that's fair. If I'd made this thread one year ago then maybe you could say it's hype, but now? Knowing how close he was last year?
     
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  33. Gorecki

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    without a frankencvaceggman bla blah blah teen insult to Djokovic, your posts are null!!!


    please do not change!!!
     
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  34. Gorecki

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    you must understand and excuse Clarky. despite him thinking that Nadal is at an all time low point in his career, and that he barely has anything left in the tank to beat Vincent Spadea, he still cannot accept the fact that the up and coming Novak Djokovic is beating him left and right. it's called the federete syndrome and it is a vicious disease that attacks even the most unsespected nadal fan!!!

    please excuse him. and myself if you will
     
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  35. Clarky21

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    I'm not a "him",and your trolling isn't as funny as you think it is.

    Keep on keepin' on,though if it makes you feel better. :lol:
     
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  36. tudwell

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    If he won the Calendar Slam, he'd be way ahead of Agassi. They'd have the same amount of slams, and if Djokovic is playing well enough to win all four slams, he'd probably rack up a few more Masters too, so he'd be bearing down on Agassi's record there as well. The difference, though, is Agassi was horrifically inconsistent and was never a dominant world number one. Even in 1999, his only year end number one (Djokovic would have two if this hypothetical pans out), was largely due to Sampras skipping the U.S. Open due to injury.

    In short, I favor dominance over longevity, so I would give the nod to Djokovic.
     
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  37. Gorecki

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    @ Clarky Shakespear....

    i could care a rat's derriere if you are a him or a her.

    i thought angels and trolls didnt have gender...
     
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  38. cknobman

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    Wait a minute if Djoker wins French wont he have a NonCYGS??? (plus a career grand slam)

    That's a pretty hefty achievement in itself. Has that even been accomplished on the mens side?????

    I'd say the NonCYGS + Career Slam would instantly propel him pretty high up on the all time list.

    Then if you go on to factor in the consecutive victories over Nadal, consecutive final victories over Nadal, consecutive grand slam final victories over Nadal (all of these would be much more pronounced if Nadal was in this years FO final and lost) the you could start to argue Djoker is close to senior humbilito buttpicker on the all time list.
     
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  39. FlamEnemY

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    Yep, right there above him.

    [troll mode off]
     
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  40. Sentinel

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    That is a frightening possibility.

    However, I don't see Rafa dominating Nole. These encounters will continue to take their toll on the two making it easier for someone else to step in.
     
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  41. Xavier G

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    If Djokovic wins Roland Garros, he holds all four GS titles, a great achievement in itself. If he pulls off the calender year Grand Slam, it would be a massive feat indeed. He would still be behind Nadal in titles won, but that year would beat any year since Laver's 69. Djokovic dominated Nadal 6-0 or something last year, and had an amazing 2011, so if Novak beats Nadal in the remaining Slams too, after Australia, say a win in Paris along the way, where Rafa has been the longtime King, he may indeed move ahead of Nadal in many people's lists. Djokovic may be a better all surface player, he's won the Tour Finals indoors, which Rafa has never won. There's the Olympics this year as well, so that's almost a fifth Slam event in 2012. Rafa has a gold medal from 08.
     
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  42. batz

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    It would depend if he also won Cincy.


    Joking apart - if Noel wins the lot this year then he is > Rafa wrt GOATness IMO. There might even be an argument that he would also be > Roger. After all; he'd have achieved the ultimate challenge in tennis.
     
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  43. Evan77

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    oh boy, are you kidding me? Djokovic simply OWNS Nadal. the fact that Rafa was 'close' at the AO means NOTHING. he still lost. and yeah, Nadal will be mopping maybe his bathroom ... not slams.
     
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  44. tank_job

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    Are you kidding me, if Nadal gets the better of Djokovic, every slam is his.

    Let's look at it this way, if Djokovic did not even exist, Nadal would have won every slam in 2011 and every slam probably in 2012, 2013 and 2014, easily. No-one else but Djokovic can really even produce a competitive match against Nadal in a slam, so if Nadal gets the better of Djokovic, or some career-ending injury happens to Djokovic, Nadal can mop up an insane number of slams, far, far more than 16.

    This is why I'm hoping that Djokovic can be around and healthy and up to his 2011 level for a long, long time, but we must not forget that this skinny spartan with the rigid haircut is the ONLY thing preventing a complete Nadal monopoly on the slams.
     
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    lol what

    yes, i'm wasting my first ever post to call out the retarded comment that you just made
     
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  46. Evan77

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    right, could you please help me understand how is Nadal going to 'get the better' of Djokovic? sure, theoretically, if it wasn't for Djok, Nadal would probably be having 15 slams already. if it wasn't for Nadal, Roger would probably have 25 slams ... unfortunately or fortunately, Djokovic does exist. So, all of this IF is a big mambo jambo.
     
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    I think he'd leapfrog a fair few players if he did, not just Rafa.
     
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    If Nadal wasn't there, Federer would still have Djokovic to worry about.

    If Djokovic wasn't there, Nadal has no-one to worry about.

    That is what I'm getting at.
     
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  49. Evan77

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    I'm getting what you are saying, but again, Djokovic does exist.

    I'm just not a big fan of these hypothetical scenarios, because they mean nothing. ie, if it hadn't been for JMac, Borg would have probably never retired, winning 20 slams etc.
     
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  50. Clarky21

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    I hope Djesus wins all of the slams for the next several years. Then instead of worshipping him for stopping Nadal and gloating over it,Fed fans will then turn their wrath on him and tear him apart like they do Nadal for daring to get close to their idols slam count. Serves them right,so I hope he get to 16 and beyond. Let em' eat vasina torta,Djesus. :lol:
     
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